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starway7
#1 Posted : 7/28/2022 3:54:54 AM

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I never thought this would work for closed eye visuals..but found that with the right music ..
set and setting...even a tiny.. 6 to 8 mgs.. of very clean ..molecule... by itself.. is capable of producing almost the same visuals as a 10 to 15 mg dose.. only the visuals are seen while wearing a

blackout sleep mask with the right music..
before the show starts.... It takes about 2 to 3 minutes of concintration as the music puts you

on the path..then the visuals appear! ..[colorful ribbon galaxys]...cartoon carectors...like felix the cat....and other carectors appeare on a [smaller].. and more distant mind screen in your head..although [smaller images]..they are colorfull and quite detailed !

Using the black out mask.. reduces other external visual stimuli.. making it easier to observe the visuals..

And with the images... the feeling of wonder is there in full color...and on such a tiny dose!

Its like a visual meditation made easier..by the moleculs presence !

Many may think this is imposible..but ... ive found i can experiance this..even on a smaller than threshold dose...
 

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murklan
#2 Posted : 7/28/2022 9:15:44 AM

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I'm curious. How often have you used the molecule the last year? For me I don't get almost any CEV anymore. Sometimes I get to a room (that might be considered a breakthrough) but the visuals you describe was a long time ago. I always take it together with harmalas, often quite a lot, and that makes it to another experience. Might want to thy DMT alone for a change... Or if it's possible to take a small amount of harmalas just to get a bit of MAOI effect but without the rest.

 
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#3 Posted : 7/28/2022 3:49:44 PM

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murklan wrote:
I'm curious. How often have you used the molecule the last year? For me I don't get almost any CEV anymore. Sometimes I get to a room (that might be considered a breakthrough) but the visuals you describe was a long time ago. I always take it together with harmalas, often quite a lot, and that makes it to another experience. Might want to thy DMT alone for a change... Or if it's possible to take a small amount of harmalas just to get a bit of MAOI effect but without the rest.



Not shure why you are not getting CEVs but its probibly temporary... maybe you are taking the product too often?

For me ive found taking rue tea.. before vaping can get very visual...but.. [with rue first].. I can also get a lead blanket feeling all over me..[not as much ...[eye candy]..visuals]..more like a super relaxation effect]/... but the head space was a trip in its self..

Im not too much of a fan of taking ..large doses of molecule..instead i vape smaller doses but still enough to get what im after...

Im down to about two or three times a month for vaping...[some months not at all]..

The experiance ive described using 6 to 8 mgs of vaped molecule took some effort on my part by using a black out mask..and the right music..

The black out mask i used ... cut out a lot of external visual stimuli.. and made it easier to zero in on the low dose of molecules visual effects...

It seems that straight ..[molecule only vaped] .. for me stimulates visions pretty quickly and yes larger doses can force one to have stronger CEVS..and even OEVs...

I used to believe that rue taken first before vaping ..increases visuals...and this can be true in some cases..

but the molecule used by it self even in sub doses can bring on visions for me..it just took a little more effort on my part part putting self in .[a darkened room effect] with the right music and by using black out sleep mask..and the use of visualization...i observed visions almost exactly i would get from a little larger doses...

THe tiny dose i vaped .. my body could feel ..but still the dose was very small and produced the same sharp visions a bit larger dose would produce .. only i observed the ..very [colorfull and detailed] visuals on a smaller mind screen at a distance in my minds eye..

i need to try some rue tea..before the small dose to see the effects..

It was just a little experament i tryed and i learned something from it...
 
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#4 Posted : 7/28/2022 4:00:54 PM

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Interesting. Here's a curveball. How much practice would it take to see the same visuals without any dose? I'm guessing it's possible. I'm sure added substances can contribute as much in placebo as they can in chemistry.
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starway7
#5 Posted : 7/28/2022 4:13:42 PM

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fink wrote:
Interesting. Here's a curveball. How much practice would it take to see the same visuals without any dose? I'm guessing it's possible. I'm sure added substances can contribute as much in placebo as they can in chemistry.


I guess you could try it but ...I dont believe Getting visuals without taking any product would work as well...unless you have taken the product a huge amount for a long time every day... it would not be quite the same...

the pressence of the molecule [even in low doses]..makes a difference .. ...because the CEVs are more than just visual with spice...there is also emotion tied to the visual experiance...

Example...lucid dreaming is an awsome experiance...but without emotional content..the dreams wouldent have much meaning..emotion is tied to everything experianced in life...
 
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#6 Posted : 7/28/2022 4:23:38 PM

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fink wrote:
Interesting. Here's a curveball. How much practice would it take to see the same visuals without any dose? I'm guessing it's possible. I'm sure added substances can contribute as much in placebo as they can in chemistry.


There's probably going to be a difference in the nature of visuals from say meditation vs using a substance.

When we're on something and are experiencing visuals there's a stimulation of the visual cortex if I'm not mistaken. With meditation the visuals aren't stimulated or simulated in the same way. Something I notice a strong difference between personally.

However, if one is able to endogenously increase production of certain compounds, then it's almost like taking the drug from within, and so the visual aspect may be more aligned with stimulation of the visual cortex.

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