BBB is down. Ohiotraders Botanicals, who sold a lot of MHRB on Ebay, has shut down according to their website. Celestial Source is not selling MHRB according to their website. Nomad Botanicals doesn't list MHRB as of today but they had it yesterday. This doesn't look good for the community. The international vendors are still selling, but many in the USA probably don't want to deal with customs.

The chill has set in and these domestic vendors don't want to be next on the hit list. The government makes it almost impossible to defend yourself because they seize all your money so you can't afford a lawyer. Even if defendants win their case, they are still financially destroyed, so that's why no one want to be a martyr. If the government wins, there are going to be a great deal less visitors to hyperspace.

I know everyone says DMT is everwhere, but I don't see it everywhere. Without these vendors, the community will shrivel and become a shadow of its former self. They are the lifeline for the community, without them importing plants for us there is no DMT Nexus. For the lucky few who live in climates amenable to cultivation or with the resources, time, and luck to grow indoors, they will continue to participate in the lifestyle. The rest of the psychedelic enthusiasts will be starved out. Unfortunately if this turns out bad, hyperspace and all variations of it will become a much lonelier place. I don't think your local weed dealer is going to be selling any of this stuff, ever.

There are those who wish to act politically to induce change and I applaud that but while that is going on, others need to begin researching other viable and functional plant sources for DMT. I see those giant lists posted of DMT containg plants but very little is done with these potential MHRB replacements. We need plants that grow fast, in a wide range of climates with a clean profile. I wish I had some other suggestions, but I think we should take a closer look at the grasses, especially arundo donax.

I'm not sure of my point in this post, but I just wanted to vent my feelings. Thanks.

oh man this is getting narly...ive been working on phalaris brachystachy..but havent gotten a decent crop yet...hopefully it will survive the winter..

Developing acceptable strains and better extraction teks for grasses is the way to go and a challenge for the community!! Just take a look at the extraction tek developement. Don't you think that it is possible to develope teks for grasses? There are so many intelligent people on this board with lots of knowledge. It is possible!!

IIRC back in the days people were trying to extract grasses with standard A/Bs and non-selective solvents, and this meant people had to do extensive defatting.. I wonder if the whole fumarate salting doenst solve some of the problems.. And/or recrystalization with very non-polar solvents like heptane might also help getting rid of the rest of oils and of unwanted alkaloids.. but we actually need people testing this stuff properly, otherwise its just guesses and better not risk when potentially dangerous alkaloids may be present in the final product

I just personally hate defatting as I feel its one of the most wasteful ways of clean up! Im sure other ways are better..

But yeah joebono, even though I dont live in USA, I really feel for you guys (and who knows what other countries will follow this kind of attitude), and I totally agree that we need people working on extractions of other plants, as well as finding and spreading of plants/cuttings/clones that have good alkaloid profile!

If there is one community that I think can come up with a lot of solutions for these problems, then its definitely this one

Wow, I didn't know all these vendors stoped selling MHRB. Scary stuff.

Maybe it's time to stock up from the European vendors.

But I do agree that their are alot of members with a wide knowledge on extractions and that new teks for these grasses will arise.

I just hope that this isn't the start to a downward spiral of the MHRB that we all cherish so much.

I have faith in the members here to be creative and solve the source problem. I wish I could help, but I have two left thumbs with this stuff. Man, I am so upset by this whole situation that I didn't even trip today. Saturday is my regular trip day and I never miss my weekly entheogen sacrament - that's how pissed off and upset I am about this whole situation.

I feel your pain brother joebono. Very upsetting news indeed.

Plant acacia, bundle flower and phalaris, all are still perfectly legal and all will give up the goods with not too much trouble. folks have just gotten lazy due to the easy availability of MHRB. All phalaris needs is to be juiced in a wheat grass juicer to be easily worked up.
The sky is not falling it is only cloudy.

this is bad news indeed, and if there's a crackdown Statesideyou best believe the same will follow in Europe. We need to investigate local plant sources - we know the technology, find local sources.

Totally agree with you soxy , after all isn't this the kind of reaction "the man" is after ? People thought the same thing when all the lsd labs got hit in the day , but things morph and change and that's a good thing . The Enthogenic realm has had the doorway swung way to far open for it to ever be shut again .

Where there is a will there is a way.

Joebono , I hear ya , but don't let this set you back in your discoveries .

You can bet you ass on that. I feel that europe is even harder on plant entheogen as the US. The BBB raid wouldn't even be news in a european country except the netherland

This is how I feel.

I already have bundle flower and acacia obtusifolia seeds. Going to get some acacia maidenii seeds as well. I even have mimosa tenuiflora seeds.

What's missing are the weekly, one-on-one shamanic gardening lessons......sighhh.

At least bundle flower is easy to grow, I think.

Coatl!!!

I reckon they have only stopped selling until they see what the outcome is from the BBB court case. Remember it was only in Kansas that the raids happened and the seemed to be after K2. Hopefully the charges for the ethnos will be dropped - which should be the case as the plants are not regulated.

But stranger things have happened - lets wait and see.

If i would live in the USA or france (the two western countries that seem to be the most paranoid when it comes to psychedelic substances), i would grow mushrooms (with a standard growbox, so you don't need to be a professional) and cactusses in the first place.

especially cacti are still widely available.

I also would order some other herbs and stock them up to be supplied for a while.

In the meantime, new ways to obtain the goods will be develloped. Maybe grasses, maybe acacia, maybe something totally new.

In some european countries, the opposite is starting to happen. And attitude of the government is starting to loosen.

I hope that soon, the netherlands and switserland aren't the only places anymore with a liberal policy, because we often feel the pressure from france and america to shut everything down.

In the chech republic, germany, spain and the UK, more liberal policy's are more and more being debated in parliament and public opinion is slowly moving in favor of it. Once a large country like germany would adopt a liberal policy, the world will definately change. Germany is too big to put pressure on, even for the U.S.

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I second this notion. They were in fact after the K2 and decided a gang rape was in order. The Gov is gonna do it big and try and make a scarecrow out of BBB. Lets wait for the dust to settle before we make any 'judgements'...


peace to all our brothers trying to spread the consciousness!!!


Espiridion

Thanks bro, just what I needed to hear

Sorry, but Germany is very very very conservative when it comes to plant entheogens! They were one of the first to ban salvia ...btw without any legal backing!! They're raiding innocent citicens for buying cacti, punishing people for ordering yopo...there was a big wave of ghb raids...totally legal....some guys got in trouble for ordering salvia while it was still legal...I've heard of kratom problems and lots more!!!! They're spreading fear and panic non stop!

Doesn't that depend on wich state you're in?

A little bit...the police in bavaria is more strict than in the northern states. But basically, the police can do whatever they want without having to fear anything. There is a long long history of unjust. raids affecting not only the entheogen community...