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ckld
#1 Posted : 9/5/2021 1:51:16 PM

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After a second unsuccessful attempt to have a nice tripping day with two of my San Pedros. I would like to ask anyone who might know, how 2 X 40cm X 12cm thick cacti had absolutely no effect on me? I'm sure about my cacti strain cause of their blueish colour when young and the black hair on the flowers when they form and of course shape, spines and general appearance. The plants are at least 10 yo and seem perfectly healthy. My first attempt was drinking the cacti juice after proper preparation and the second attempt was through alcohol extract. In both cases, I didn't even feel nausea. What might be wrong?
It's amazing just to find out, so true and so clear that there is no good or bad, only love and fear and that is all we are messing with during our whole human history and WOW that was my first hit. A moment of freedom out of the ape's sealed skin.
 

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Grey Fox
#2 Posted : 9/5/2021 3:12:31 PM

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It could be that you have a very weak or even inactive Pachanoi. Post a photo if you can. How did you prepare the "juice"?
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ckld
#3 Posted : 9/5/2021 3:24:06 PM

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I froze the cacti, pealed the thin layer of skin, cut the outer skin (about 1cm thick), passed it through the blender, froze it again, strained it, and drunk it. That was my first attempt a few months ago. I did quite well with the alcohol extraction which was easy to do. After 4 pulls I had high expectations and now I'm so frustrated I want to chop them all off (30 cacti) and try again with bridgesii or peyote.
It's amazing just to find out, so true and so clear that there is no good or bad, only love and fear and that is all we are messing with during our whole human history and WOW that was my first hit. A moment of freedom out of the ape's sealed skin.
 
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#4 Posted : 9/5/2021 4:14:47 PM

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Why not try to make a proper tea? Use the whole cactus, not just the dark green flesh. You dont even need to peel the skin or freeze the cutting. Just slice the cactus into thin pieces or blend it up. Boil the tea for a long time. Use a larger amount of cactus compared to last time and see how it goes. If its real Pachanoi then you should feel something. Even if you find out that it is weak and you need to use a large amount, that is still easier to do than completely starting over.
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ckld
#5 Posted : 9/5/2021 4:19:22 PM

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I did use the whole cactus beside the core in the alcohol extraction method. The taste was more bitter than I could ever imagine.
It's amazing just to find out, so true and so clear that there is no good or bad, only love and fear and that is all we are messing with during our whole human history and WOW that was my first hit. A moment of freedom out of the ape's sealed skin.
 
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#6 Posted : 9/5/2021 4:43:13 PM

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If its real Pachanoi then you should feel some effect, even if its not strongly psychedelic. You should still feel stoned or somehow different if you took a decent amount. But without a photo its hard to know whats really going on here.
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#7 Posted : 9/5/2021 5:05:35 PM

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I think possibly the good stuff isn't actually being pulled out I've never really tried just freezing it and using the juices. Try freezing 3 times and thawing 3 times peel the waxy skin throw that and then cut into cubes mainly just the green part with a little bit of white. Then boil in pot with lemon juice or vinegar and that's where you will actually pull the good stuff out into water. Boil for 1 hour 3 times add them all together reduce it to either a drinkable amount or right down so you can evap off the water to a goo.

What alcohol are you using? From what I understand the mescalines natural salt form isn't that soluble in 100% alcohol it's gotta have a bit of water with it to pull out some good stuff.
 
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#8 Posted : 9/5/2021 5:13:20 PM

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Weak Pach is the most likely problem. Bridgesii won't let you down. 400 grams or so fresh Bridgesii is a good starting point.
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#9 Posted : 9/5/2021 5:36:16 PM

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AusTrich wrote:
I think possibly the good stuff isn't actually being pulled out I've never really tried just freezing it and using the juices. Try freezing 3 times and thawing 3 times peel the waxy skin throw that and then cut into cubes mainly just the green part with a little bit of white. Then boil in pot with lemon juice or vinegar and that's where you will actually pull the good stuff out into water. Boil for 1 hour 3 times add them all together reduce it to either a drinkable amount or right down so you can evap off the water to a goo.

What alcohol are you using? From what I understand the mescalines natural salt form isn't that soluble in 100% alcohol it's gotta have a bit of water with it to pull out some good stuff.

I used 95% alcohol (5% distilled water)
It's amazing just to find out, so true and so clear that there is no good or bad, only love and fear and that is all we are messing with during our whole human history and WOW that was my first hit. A moment of freedom out of the ape's sealed skin.
 
ckld
#10 Posted : 9/5/2021 5:44:44 PM

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Wolfnippletip wrote:
Weak Pach is the most likely problem. Bridgesii won't let you down. 400 grams or so fresh Bridgesii is a good starting point.

I'm looking all day for bridgesii cacti/seeds and was looking to add some spore prints too but seems that paypal doesn't support smart shops anymore and through bank wire is not an option for me. It's getting harder and harder for the psychonauts these days. I'll find the way to it.
It's amazing just to find out, so true and so clear that there is no good or bad, only love and fear and that is all we are messing with during our whole human history and WOW that was my first hit. A moment of freedom out of the ape's sealed skin.
 
 
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