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Northerner
#1 Posted : 6/1/2021 1:25:47 AM

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Before I touched DMT I might have considered myself a spiritual person. Things seemed to exist in a place between this world and many others. Once I started down the spicy road, over a series of deeper and deeper journeys, I met many manifestations that appeared to to me to be entities and even deities. I had harsher experiences as well, experiences where I died and was disassociated from everything I know to be and then that which was disassociated was destroyed as well. These sorts of things can leave one wondering about the fabric of reality.

After time and thinking all the dust settles. So I know that A, B, and C were illusions, they are clearly a manifestation of my mind. So what about D through to F? And someone else's ideas of G through to K? They're pretty popular ideas so they should be valid. But then again one doesn't have to look very far back into history to see that humans are perpetually wrong about almost everything and change their minds consistently. Noone else is able to shed any light on this for me either, I'll have to make my own mind up.

But I've created and destroyed so many realities myself. Am I to choose one or a group of beliefs I like the feeling of and blindly accept them as truth whilst subconsciously blocking out any information that contradicts my preconceived ideas? What is there to test the validity of any of these thoughts, ideas or beliefs?

And the answer I came to was nothing. Absolutely nothing.

And such is the process that DMT lead me to be borderline atheist. I know it's contrary to everything in popular literature that happens when people embark on entheogenic journeys. Or maybe it's just that but a different take on it. Maybe my realisations that the things that are happening right here in my life, in this world of consensus reality, are what counts at this stage in life and other esoteric musings are an unnecessary distraction that appear to be fantastical.

Though psychedelics are no less impressive now, there's not a jaded reflection that makes me doubt every moment of my experiences. Perhaps they are even better than ever because I'm not concerned about things I cannot know.
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Voidmatrix
#2 Posted : 6/1/2021 1:38:51 AM

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That was really beautiful (or is it my coming down that makes me think so? Hahaha).

A lot of what you've stated is why I am philosophically a skeptic in multiple degrees (even radical skepticism: I can't say I know you exist), and why I see paradoxes everywhere.

Thank you for sharing with usLove

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shroombee
#3 Posted : 6/1/2021 3:03:28 AM

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Northerner wrote:
And such is the process that DMT lead me to be borderline atheist. I know it's contrary to everything in popular literature that happens when people embark on entheogenic journeys. Or maybe it's just that but a different take on it. Maybe my realisations that the things that are happening right here in my life, in this world of consensus reality, are what counts at this stage in life and other esoteric musings are an unnecessary distraction that appear to be fantastical.

Thanks for sharing.

My background is science and engineering. Before psychedelics, I did not resonate with spiritual ideas. After my first experiences I became what some would categorize a "spiritual person". But now after many psychedelic journeys and meditation practice, I don't consider myself spiritual or not spiritual. The term "spiritual" has no meaning for me. Same goes with conscious or woke or any of those terms that try to describe some alternative way of thinking and being. I don't find any of those ideas or labels to be useful to actually living a meaningful life.

Even so, I do have some past-life and after-life narratives triggered by psychedelic journeys that are fun to believe. But to your point, who knows what to believe? Who knows what's actually real anyhow? So I just believe what appears to be useful or convenient at the time. Works for me, and I'm very content with my life situation. Smile
 
Tomtegubbe
#4 Posted : 6/1/2021 6:51:27 AM

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I think the deeper you go, the less you can rely on premade concepts.

Atheism is answer to the question whether there is God or gods outside human consciousness, but what if we establish through experience that there are such worlds *inside*? Atheism in the common use of the term doesn't operate in such paradigm.
 
shroombee
#5 Posted : 6/1/2021 8:16:32 AM

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Tomtegubbe wrote:
I think the deeper you go, the less you can rely on premade concepts.

Yes. Each journey strips away more of our past conditioning. And we end up developing our own unique perspectives on reality, informed less by society's conditioning and more by our own internal experiences.
 
 
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