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ava69
#121 Posted : 6/24/2021 9:46:47 PM

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Thanks for putting all this together! I look forward to giving it a shot. Does anyone know if DMT fumarate could also be used or if it must be freebase?
Thanks for kind words Vibesurfer. Unfortunately, DMT salts of any kind do not work sublingually, this has been tried many times in countless old posts to no avail...all of the freebase however absorbs in 15 minutes sublingually at nearly 100% bioavailability in my estimation into the bloodstream when complexed to HPBCD however. The HPBCD DMT also absorbs many factors better orally than DMT salts, in other words, 80mg DMT complexed to 560mg plain HPBCD (or 640mg 2-hydroxy PBCD) is just as strong as 40g actual Hawaiian psychotria leaf, 80mg is a +5 on Shulgin scale, while 80mg plain DMT salts never seem to reach beyond +3 mild in strength due to poor body absorption. I've done comparisons a dozen times in the past using plain DMT salts compared to actual Hawaiian psychotria, as have a group of people from Clearlight, see part 7 of this paper.

Study example: HPBCD improves oral absorption profile for Ofloxacin, a second generation fluroquinolones by 54 to 89 percent.Thumbs up

In order to complex HPBCD to DMT you must use the freebase only, this does not work with DMT salts. Only the freebase is able to be trapped inside the tornado like hydrophobic HPBCD cone.
 

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#122 Posted : 6/25/2021 4:19:43 PM

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Soon, June 28th, monday...will try out the 2-hydroxy PBCD for 1st time, will edit & post results here. My, how the price has risen, this tiny bottle of 2-hydroxy PBCD cost the same this day and age as 1kg of HPBCD bought long ago, when pro-hormones were still legal. 50 grams (50,000mg) 2-hydroxy PBCD = same cost as 1kg (1,000,000 mg) HPBCD, a price increase of 20x. Shocked







I will be very interested to see the results of this test!

when you compare your old HPBCD .. ...with he newer version 2.HPBCD!

If the newer stuff doesnt work..that may explain a lot !....

 
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#123 Posted : 6/25/2021 6:56:03 PM

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Good to hear from you starway7, I like the artwork of the "shroom head guy" you posted a few pages back...just remember to stay away from the grain alcohol (95% everclear) or ethanol, as HPBCD is extremely soluble in only water & propylene glycol, see below:

In conclusion, complete summary:

HPBCD is itself very soluble in water (greater than 1000 mg/ml at room temperature). This increases with VERY HOT near boiling water. So now you see how I used in earlier trip 80mg DMT complexed to 560mg plain HPBCD in 10 to 12 drops for sublingual or oral use. 1ml = 20 drops, 0.5ml = 10 drops, therefore each drop of water can hold 50mg HPBCD at room temp, or twice that 100mg HPBCD in each drop of very hot water from a nearby coffee mug.

I have been unable to locate the exact solubility of HPBCD in ethanol.

The 2-hydroxy PBCD should not give you any issues, try it exactly like this starway7:

1. put 60mg DMT freebase on a spoon
2. cover with 480mg of the 2-hydroxy PBCD powder (1:1 molar ratio), use 420mg if using plain HPBCD.
3. add 10 drops of near boiling hot water from a coffee mug
4. stir, scrape, and mash it all together for 2 minutes...knead/mash/scrape using end of another spoon...it will look similar to 10 to 12 drop liquid complex below.
5. dry bottom of tongue and top of sublingual mucosa with a tissue
6. put bottom side of tongue onto spoon, it will all adhere to bottom of tongue.
7. Hold in sublingual mucosa under tongue for 15 minutes, it will all dissolve, I've done this enough times to notice it all dissolve in 15 minutes, even 110mg complexed DMT dissolves in 15 minutes sublingually.
8. 22 minutes after you begin all this, (1/2 the time of an oral dose) you will go from baseline to full throttle, 60mg DMT will take you to a level 3.5 on Shulgin strength scale.
9. So long as you took 150mg to 300mg of tetrahydroharmine 45 minutes earlier, it will double the half-life of the DMT, so you get a full strong 90 minutes out of it.

Colors will only be neon-colorful, music will only sound bad-ass incredible, beauty enhancement will be "over the top" and actresses on TV will look like dazzling glowing super-colorful cartoon versions of themselves (just like with high dose cactus tea) only if you include the THH. Important teamwork takes place with THH + DMT.

But yes, I have the 2-hydroxy PBCD in hand, and will try it out mid July and report back, edit into this sentence.

From 5-19-21: 60mg DMT complexed to 420mg HPBCD sublingual report dosed x 3 times every 1.5 hour

Full Journey trip report:

Keep in mind using DMT salts sublingually does not work. The HPBCD complexed DMT works extremely well, the outer water soluble sugary like tasting HPBCD keeps the freebase DMT trapped inside it's non-polar cone, so as the complex sits under the tongue for 15 minutes...

...you feel a mild to moderate sting for around 15 minutes as the HPBCD releases the DMT directly into the bloodstream from the mucosa membrane under the tongue (only 100 microns thick) as the freebase, only as the freebase will it reach from the bloodstream to the brain with maximum effects. I don't have all the answers, I only know it works extremely well. The tongue is completely fine after, and it's as if nothing happened the next day, 100% no scarring or burning, totally normal.

Be sure to press down with tongue the whole time to trap the sticky complex in the sublingual mucosa.

Give this a try...follow 2 step instructions, 60mg DMT complexed to 420mg HPBCD (use 480mg if using the 2-hydroxy PBCD) with 2 minutes stirring, mashing & kneading all of it hard (to force the DMT into the tornado like HPBCD cone) using your muscles on a spoon with 10 to 12 drops very hot water, put bottom of tongue on to spoon, it will all adhere...and hold for 15 minutes in the sublingual mucosa, begins to work in 22 minutes...at the end of the 15 minutes, I spit out any saliva that's collected in mouth into a cup instead of swallowing, for me this has been less than 1/4oz or around less than 15ml saliva. As I gently spit out the saliva, I will keep any tiny residual amount still trapped or pressed down under tongue for another 5 minutes usually, but I have noticed most of the time, it all dissolves within 15 minutes.

...and is VERY STRONG...I experienced 90 minutes of very strong effects, pupil dilation maxed out, strong tryptamine body buzz high frequency, heavy CEV imagery, open eyed beauty profound, music sounds incredible...feels identical to if I had taken 60mg DMT complexed to HPBCD orally with 200mg harmine with 300mg THH, of course I always take 300mg THH orally any time I do this using the sublingual DMT.

I recommend not using more than 250mg of THH if it is your first time. 250mg of THH causes zero dizziness and ZERO nausea, but 300mg will cause a tiny bit of dizziness for a short time if you are not used to it. I am used to it, so I get no dizziness at 300mg.

The effects were so INCREDIBLE, I RE-DOSED 60mg of DMT complexed to 420mg HPBCD x two more times the same night, every 1.5 hours...it was the bomb...I was in 7th heaven.Smile

...never before have I had such insane visuals all night long...all the way till 5am in the morning I was seeing closed eye visions of slow and high speed movies...I saw brightly colored serpents, dungeons I traveled thru, many Mesoamerican pyramids, women of incredible beauty, Japanese landscapes, dancing geometrics, many different animals on a rotating globe, walking on the planet-like globe as it spun, hundreds of visions like slow and high-speed movies over the course of many hours.

I saw the interiors of many magnificent homes, exposed like a camera flash went off, then off to the next home interior, bizarre alien looking creatures, I saw ancient ruins but they were seen as they were before they fell apart. All sorts of architectural wonders appeared that I could not make out exactly what time period they were from.

All the visions were enchanting & manifested incredible beauty. The multi-colored beautiful serpents kept appearing several times in different forms, as if they have some prominence to do with it all, two of them had shining skin covered in gold scales and intertwined like DNA, reminds me of the Aztec quetzalcoatl myth, the "serpent of precious feathers."

...all of these visions were brightly colored due to the DMT and THH combo all night long..it was one of the most powerful psychedelic experiences of my life...and I've taken Ayahuasca x 70 times, cactus 200 times, etc...I have never had over 5 hours of non-stop CEV visions anything close to what I saw the other night...I was blown away, and will be thinking about this for a very long time...this sublingual DMT along with 300mg THH taken orally 1 hour before is my absolute favorite...there is no nausea...I wore headphones and listened to music the whole time, as the music sounded just like if I had taken a very strong cactus tea...out of this world good...I had non-stop closed eye visions all night long, insane visions...totally blown away.

I love the "oral 250 to 300mg THH + sublingual 420mg HPBCD complexed to 60mg DMT administration" as there is a complete lack of "queasiness feeling during the journey", perhaps because there is no harmine/DMT going thru the stomach & intestines...I don't know the answer for sure, but I like it.

Remember, I took 300mg of THH once early on, then every 1.5 hour I took 60mg of DMT complexed to 420mg of HPBCD sticky liquid under my tongue for 15 minutes held...so I took it x 3 times...one of the most visionary entheogenic experiences of my life.Love

I have found a way to make this stuff portable & even storable in a freezer or elsewhere, simply sucking up the 0.5ml off the spoon into a 3ml plastic syringe. The syringe's liquid complex becomes re-flowable again after sitting at room temp for a short while, in case it has been pulled from freezer storage.

Pic1: 3ml syringe and puppy dog sunglasses storage case for syringes

Pic2: Woman sitting on the Eleusis ruins of ancient Greece where the sacred Kykeon entheogenic beverage was drank in ritual for nearly 2,000 years. In its heyday, up to 3,000 initiates could be received at a time.

pic3: Spirit animals watch on & guide the process as 2-step HPBCD DMT for sublingual use with oral THH Ayahuasca is prepared with meditation, prayer & intentions. Table showing subjective DMT strength from 20 to 80mg.

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#124 Posted : 6/27/2021 12:59:06 AM

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Oh guys, in the Extra Special Stores you pay extra special prices.

The HPBCD is xx bucks a kilo from China.
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#125 Posted : 6/27/2021 1:56:11 PM

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pic: 3ml syringe with 80mg DMT complexed to 560mg plain HPBCD (use 640mg if using the 2-hydroxy PBCD) in 12 drops near boiling hot water from a nearby coffee mug prepared on a spoon using the end of another spoon to mix, mash and knead/scrape it all together hard using muscles for 2 minutes, then every last bit of it sucked up easily by syringe (none left behind), simply shoot liquid under tongue and hold for 15 minutes in sublingual mucosa when ready to use (it all dissolves in 15 minutes)...blast off 22 minutes after this is all begun (1/2 the time of an oral dose).

The syringes are portable, freezable, I prepare three of these syringes for use during the night, so I can take one sublingually every 1.5 hour, to have a long 4.5 hour strong (+5 Shulgin level strength) journey with long afterglow. Of course, I always take 300mg THH 45 minutes earlier. The syringes come in packs of 100 for dirt cheap. I store the pre-loaded syringes in a hard sunglasses case.

The syringe's liquid complex becomes re-flowable again after sitting at room temp for a short while, in case it has been pulled from freezer storage.

Stay true to yourself. Peace, Love & music.
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#126 Posted : 6/29/2021 2:02:04 PM

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In conclusion, the importance of tetrahydroharmine (THH):

1. Part 10 of this paper: shows how to convert harmaline to THH in 1.5 hour for the first time (very fast) with 75% yield. It is the 2nd highest ingredient in Caapi based true Ayahuasca.

2. Dennis Mckenna Ph.D: page 115 "Thus, tetrahydroharmine may prolong the half-life of DMT by blocking it's intraneuronal uptake, and hence, its inactivation by MAO, localized in mitochondria within the neuron." In my experience, THH doubles the half-life of DMT, so when used sublingually or orally, you get a full strong 90 minutes out of it with long afterglow.

3. DMT only colors are subdued and dark, but THH brightens the DMT visuals: out of this world impossible bright neon colors are a trait of high dose oral tetrahydroharmine + moderate dose 60 to 70mg+ sublingual or oral HPBCD DMT: neon red-greens, neon orange-blues, neon purple-yellows.

4. DMT does not block serotonin on it's own, but THH does...this results in not only stimulation but euphoria in combo with the DMT: and real Ayahuasca visions become apparent...important teamwork. LSD, mescaline, shrooms all block serotonin, THH blocks serotonin.

5. THH has numerous similarities to mescaline, not only does it block serotonin like mescaline, LSD & shrooms, but it agonizes all 3 adrenal receptors just like mescaline, which are associated with beauty & aesthetics appreciation, beauty enhancement is "over the top" when THH is included. Researchers have called THH the "tryptamine of the beta-carboline world" and rightly so.

6. THH is found in average 150mg in a cup of Caapi based Ayahuasca tea, when 2 cups are drank for evening at the vegetals, people are consuming around 300mg of THH.

7. Music will only sound bad-ass incredible if you include from 150mg to 300mg oral THH with your sublingual or oral DMT.

professor8 (found here from 11/1/2010 he writes like a poet w/special powers of imagination & expression):
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Tetrahydroharmine (THH) has the ability to raise your vibration in a most powerful, yet subtle way. It brings a crystalline prismy texture to spice and adds a super clear watery dimension to Aya, like looking down through 10meters of shimmering Caribbean Sea on clear blue day. It brings a dimension of pure light to the entheogenic experience and encourages entities & intelligences of only the Highest Order. If one is not accustomed to perceiving these experiences with a spiritual perspective most of the nuances & subtleties THH brings on are overlooked and remain unseen and one would better enjoy Harmaline as a house painter chooses a roller over a brush, its about preference & choice.

300mg oral THH + sublingual 80mg HPBCD complexed DMT is like a "super-mescaline experience" in my experience. Or orally all drank together at same time mixed into a hot water tea: 300mg THH + 200mg harmine + 80mg HPBCD complexed DMT. Use 100mg crushed vitamin C to help the harmalas absorb into the hot water tea should they be in freebase form.

It all feels identical to around 600mg of mescaline in my experience. She is very trippy....and this is a great thing in my experience, as bridgesii has become quite expensive, and more rare, while this is dirt cheap. I've taken Ayahuasca x 75 times and cactus tea over 200 times, the THH + HPBCD DMT is so bad ass, just like high dose cactus tea, completely replaces it just fine, my two loves. For example, you can re-dose sublingual HPBCD DMT x every 1.5 hour x twice more at night, for 3 times dose for a 4.5 hour experience with long afterglow, gives long strong trip just like with cactus.

300mg oral THH + sublingual 80mg HPBCD complexed DMT = feels like 600mg super mescaline Love

pic1: 300mg THH orally 45 minutes before + 80mg sublingual HPBCD complexed DMT with the 80mg sublingual HPBCD DMT re-dosed every 1.5 hour for 4.5 hour total experience with super-long afterglow: feels identical to me to around 600mg of mescaline or 1.5 of these 12" long fat bridgesii made into a tea.

Pic also shows fresh from right off the garden vine frozen morning glory seeds to preserve high activity, DL tartaric acid, high in acetaldehyde sherry wine, red LED light to replace normal light in lamp when working with mg seed powder, miracle grow, mason jars with funnels stuffed with cotton balls for filtration, see part 8 of paper on morning glory seeds for more info.

pic2: now my garden only has these smaller bridgesii left for now, not as thick.

Very happy to have discovered the oral THH + strong HPBCD DMT experience as not only have I run out of Hawaiian psychotria (which I used to use for all my past 75 Ayahuasca experiences)...as there is no more on the market for past 3 years, it has all been diverted to the numerous Ayahuasca centers in South America....but my garden no longer has any long thick bridgesii left either (top pic), only these smaller bridgesii seen in middle. I save my rare catus for outdoor trips to the waterpark only...and use oral 300mg THH + 80mg HPBCD complexed DMT indoors all the time now, replaces the cactus just fine, extremely similar. Love
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#127 Posted : 6/29/2021 7:45:54 PM

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Part 11: How to easily extract 1.5g DMT from 150g bark using a 2 liter Erlenmeyer flask


For the HPBCD DMT experiments, extracted DMT as described below:

1) A procedure (based on Noman's or Norman's tek) which yields 1.5g DMT from 150 gram powdered bark: all 4 pulls are using 90ml naptha on 150g powdered bark mixed into 1.8 liter lye water (1.5 x 150g bark = use 225g lye dissolved into the 1.8 liter 150 degree hot water.) Just heat up 1.8 liter of water in a big pyrex pot on stove and use thermometer to pull if off when it reads 150 degree F.

Slowly sprinkle lye using safety goggles and long chemical resistant gloves that go up each arm, and stand back as far as possible...(the hot water will fizz but not boil up) into your pyrex pot of hot water. After each sprinkle, stir the water a bit with a super long metal spoon. It will "growl" a bit as it fizzes, but this way it dissolves very fast into already hot water.

Pour this lye water into your 2 Liter erlenmeyer flask using a large automotive funnel. Add 150 grams of finely powdered bark, and use a long chopstick or similar to mix it all together.

Use (.6 x 150g bark = 90ml naptha pull for each of the 4 pulls). An erlenmeyer flask makes it easy to do pulls using a long glass pipette, as the top of flask is tapered, so all the naptha collects at the top for easy pull.

Use an electronic thermometer to check the temp of the Lye water bark mix, when the lye water cools down from 150 degree F to around 120 degree F, then it's time to add your 90ml of naptha, make sure your 2L flask is sitting on a mitten or similar...this makes it easy to swirl your flask to mix the contents, make sure you are using the proper rubber stopper number 9.5 to seal the top of your flask once you turn it upside down then right side up to mix the contents as well.

Prefer to do a combination of swirling and a couple of upside down then right side up turns of the 2L flask, then once right side up, let the rubber stopper out, and let the stopper just barely sit in the flask (not tight), so gasses can exit. After 1/2 hour, all the 90ml of naptha will migrate & collect at the top of the tapered erlenmeyer flask...use your long glass pipette to collect the naptha, that's it! very easy, no mess, and the tapered erlenmeyer flask and glass pipette with round rubber plunger at the end makes it easy to collect the naptha at the top without collecting any lye water by accident. This is the way a chemist can do it.

I highly suggest using these 5.5 x 7.5 inch pyrex dishes w/covers found at *almart, simply pour each of your 90ml naptha pulls into each of 4 dishes, stack them in the freezer, 8 hours later, pour off naptha thru a coffee filter secured to a wide one-half pint jar to collect any xtals floating in the ice cold naptha, and simply scrape up all the xtals from your square pyrex once it is bone dry.

Super easy all in one day using a 2 Liter erlenmeyer flask and long glass pipette with rubber stopper on end for the pulls.

1st pull = 1200mg, 2nd pull = 200mg, 3rd pull = 100mg, 4rth pull = 50mg, done this x 3 times, each time yield always at or better than 1.5g. Most of the crystals are all stuck to the bottom of shallow dish each time, very nice!
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#128 Posted : 7/2/2021 1:15:27 PM

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Pic of bridgesii cacti tea, will either filter the boiled down tea thru a cotton ball stuffed into a funnel sitting in a mason jar to get out any particles which are irritating to the stomach and intestines and cause nausea, or let it sit in fridge for a few days, and all irritating tiny particles will collect at bottom, then just decant and drink the tea above the tiny bottom layer of particles which stick to bottom of jar.

When taken before heading out to waterpark, the waterpark and outdoor nature look like an outdoor fantasy fairy tale land full of neon-colorful bikinis. Been doing this for over 6 years, water spirit here.

300mg of oral THH taken 45 minutes before then using sublingual 80mg HPBCD DMT feels identical to 600mg of mescaline to me, like a "super-mescaline". This is what I use at home now, and save the precious rare cactus for outdoors only.

Combo: Whenever I drink a tea made out of one 12" long x 2.5" to 3.0" wide san pedro around 45 minutes after drinking the bridgesii tea, feels like around 600mg of mescaline, super-potent combo. Never drink bridgesii and san pedro at the same time, always stagger at least 45 minutes apart, or else the trace maoi's in bridgesii intenstify the trace maoi's in san pedro and cause unpleasant symptoms, same with THH , when using it to intensify or make bridgesii tea feel way more potent than it really is, always take the THH around 45 minutes or longer AFTER the tea is drank. You don't want the trace maoi's in bridgesii interacting with the SRI which is THH at the same time. 250mg THH can make 450mg mescaline feel like 600mg as well, but only when staggered as mentioned.

Pic1: 1/2 pint jar of bridgesii tea, each jar approximately 450mg mescaline (two of the smaller bridgesii from my garden seen above). If you look closely, you can see the tiny layer of particles stuck to bottom, the tea causes zero nausea when decanting and drinking only the tea above the particles stuck to bottom. Have never purged in over 200 cacti tea doses over period of many, many years, as I always either filter thru a cotton ball or use fridge decantation or combo of both.

Pic2: The Late Great DM Turner on mescaline, totally agree when everything he saids...this is why I love the oral 300mg THH + sublingual 80mg HPBCD DMT so much, it's identical.
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#129 Posted : 7/4/2021 3:25:45 PM

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Yield from 170g finely powdered bark, followed instructions on post #127 using a 2 Liter erlenmeyer flask with 9.5 number stopper.

1st pull far left, dish + coffee filter = 1668mg
2nd pull in middle, dish + coffee filter = 517mg
3rd pull to far right = 155mg
4rth pull close to nothing
3 pulls get majority of it all (95%)
total = 2340mg

1) For 170g bark, use 1.9 Liter 150 degree water, when water, lye and bark all dissolved, liquid will all come up exactly to the 2,000 ml line on the flask.
2) 170g bark x 1.5 = use 255 grams lye
3) use 3 x 90ml naptha pulls, each 90ml naptha addition will rise 1.5" or so above 2L line on flask for easy collection using a long glass pipette.
4) allow 30 minutes for each naptha pull to rise to top for collection, this will ensure it all rises. Do pulls one after another, around 1.5 hour beginning to end, then you are done with 3 pulls.

The pre-heated water with mixed lye keeps liquid/naptha warm...I also keep a 60 watt lamp bulb with reflector close or pointed to back of flask the entire time, so each of my 3 pulls are around 125 degree F when I measured with electronic thermometer.

Highly suggest using these 5.5 x 7.5 inch pyrex dishes w/covers found at *almart, simply pour each of your 90ml naptha pulls into each of 4 dishes, stack them in the freezer, 8 hours later, pour off naptha thru a coffee filter secured to a wide one-half pint jar to collect any xtals floating in the ice cold naptha (seen above attached with clothespins to a 1/2 pint wide jar), and simply scrape up all the xtals from your square pyrex once it is bone dry.

It's very important to let your dishes sit undisturbed for a long while, these dishes sat in freezer for 12 hours during day (11am till 11pm), then overnight for 8 hours.

This is the stuff used in all the HPBCD complexed DMT experiments with 250 to 300mg oral THH taken 45 minutes earlier. The HPBCD DMT can be used sublingually (all dissolves in 15 minutes) with 90 minutes of strong activity, and re-dosed every 1.5 hour x 2 more times at night...or dissolved into a 2oz hot water tea with 200mg harmine and 250 to 300mg THH already dissolved into it, use 100mg or so of crushed vitamin C to help harmalas dissolve should they be in freebase form, either way, sublingually or orally, the HPBCD DMT is exact same strength, the oral HPBCD DMT is several factors stronger than DMT salts in my experience, just like using actual 30 to 40g Hawaiian psychotria.

The 250mg to 300mg THH taken orally 45 minutes before with the 80mg HPBCD DMT used sublingually (or orally dissolved with harmine + THH hot water tea all drank at exact same time) simulates 600mg of "super mescaline" in my experience, but dirt cheap compared to the expensive and rare cactus, great for use indoors, saving precious cactus for outdoors only.

Colors will only be neon-colorful, music will only sound bad-ass incredible, beauty enhancement will be "over the top" and actresses on TV will look like dazzling glowing super-colorful cartoon versions of themselves (just like with high dose cactus tea) only if you include the THH. Important teamwork takes place with THH + DMT. THH also doubles the half-life of the DMT, so you get a full 90 minutes out of each HPBCD DMT dose.

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#130 Posted : 7/8/2021 3:30:48 PM

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To answer the question about the 2-hydroxy propyl beta cyclodextrin compared to plain HPBCD:

Update: 7/8/2021: Last night, after not having taken anything for 7 days, took oral 300mg THH 45 minutes earlier, then sublingual (held under tongue 15 minutes) 90mg DMT complexed to 720mg of the 2-hydroxy propyl beta cyclodextrin (use 630mg if using plain HPBCD from China), phenomenal strength, felt like 700mg of mescaline, one of the most intense and enjoyable visionary experiences of my life, neon colors super abundant with open eyes, visuals flying past me at amazing speeds, visuals so strong, whether with closed or open eyes, geometrics and colored sparkles filled every inch of space, it looked like neon colors were melting in mid-air and reforming into infinite varities of colors. The trip while being super strong, was entirely relaxing and calm, just like with high dose cactus. I am blown away.

Euphoria and beauty enhancement way over the top, music entirely alien sounding and every sound as if heard for the first time...women on the movies playing looked like super-beautiful cartoon caricatures of themselves...so very impressed. So yes, in conclusion, the 2-hydroxy works just as well as the plain HPBCD. I re-dosed every hour and half x 2 more times during night, enjoyed movies to the max...the 90mg HPBCD DMT was incredibly trippy beyond belief! Each dose fully dissolved under tongue at the 15 minute point, at 22 minute point went to full throttle, and stayed there good 1.5 hour each dose. So very glad I took it last night, afterglow so nice.
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#131 Posted : 7/8/2021 4:25:52 PM

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To answer the question about the 2-hydroxy propyl beta cyclodextrin compared to plain HPBCD:

Update: 7/8/2021: Last night, after not having taken anything for 7 days, took oral 300mg THH 45 minutes earlier, then sublingual (held under tongue 15 minutes) 90mg DMT complexed to 720mg of the 2-hydroxy propyl beta cyclodextrin (use 630mg if using plain HPBCD from China), phenomenal strength, felt like 700mg of mescaline, one of the most intense and enjoyable visionary experiences of my life, neon colors super abundant with open eyes, visuals flying past me at amazing speeds, visuals so strong, whether with closed or open eyes, geometrics and colored sparkles filled every inch of space, it looked like neon colors were melting in mid-air and reforming into infinite varities of colors. The trip while being super strong, was entirely relaxing and calm, just like with high dose cactus. I am blown away.

Euphoria and beauty enhancement way over the top, music entirely alien sounding and every sound as if heard for the first time...women on the movies playing looked like super-beautiful cartoon caricatures of themselves...so very impressed. So yes, in conclusion, the 2-hydroxy works just as well as the plain HPBCD. I re-dosed every hour and half x 2 more times during night, enjoyed movies to the max...the 90mg HPBCD DMT was incredibly trippy beyond belief! Each dose fully dissolved under tongue at the 15 minute point, at 22 minute point went to full throttle, and stayed there good 1.5 hour each dose. So very glad I took it last night, afterglow so nice.



ok this is surprising...

Important question!!.... is....is your THH the same THH as i and others have from ..[Liftmode?]

Also another question..is your spice white extracted freebase crystals?

are you adding [cleanly extracted] freebase crystals directly into the HPBCD powder then adding hot water?

Because my spice has been stored for months in grain alcohol.....and i must evaporate the alcohol first leaving me with... a thick spice oil in shot glass.. to scrape out once it dryer like chunks of wax..... so i can weigh it without it sticking to the scale..

And ..when i mix around [[[30mgs of my spice]].. i often re delute it first .. with a tiny bit of alcohol to make it liquid again... so it will mix easier into the HPBCD powder...then add the hot water and stir compleatly..


The THH purity could be making all the difference?...if your THH is more pure than ours/?

[but the [liftmode] THH chaims close to 98 percent purity?

but THH is known to turn back into Harmala if stored wrongly?

Can//? using spice that has been stored in acohol for months ...compaired to freshly extracted freebase crystals/


You seem to have.. AMAZINGLY GOOD LUCK!! Neutral with this sublingual method..

So...there must be something im doing wrong...or the quality of my spice has been effected by storage in grain acohol?

You said.. the 2 HPBCD is working as well as your older HPBCD...?

Could....The difference could be in the THH we are using?

If im doing something wrong...please correct me...
 
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#132 Posted : 7/8/2021 6:25:38 PM

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Hi Starway7. Good to see you again. Answers to questions...

1. This THH is stuff I make myself, been making it since 2010, the days when professor8 started to make it, long time chemist. It is extremely pure, I have no clue about the stuff from liftmode, make mine for around 25 cents per 300mg dose, instructions on post #12.

2. The dmt is yellow/orangish colored xtals, smells strongly like plastic, keep frozen at all times in a small tiny container with screw cap to preserve activity. I even shoot wine preservation gas canister (inert mixture of argon, etc.) from *mazon into the container with my finger over top to replace the oxygen in the container before tightening screw cap top back on, before putting away in freezer. I would only use the dry stuff, if it has any water or grain alcohol in it, it simply does not work well at all.

3. How I do it: add 90mg freebase orange/yellow DMT to a spoon, add (90 x 7 = 630mg of HPBCD powder on top, use 90 x 8 =720 mg if it's the 2-hydroxy PBCD), then add 10 drops of boiling hot water from a nearby coffee mug (water pre-microwaved) on top it all. I prefer to use 10 drops whenever possible instead of 12 drops, as it's extremely easy to all keep under tongue, with less saliva production, 12 drops is fine if using 110mg of so of complexed DMT. I stir and scrape it back and forth using muscles on spoon for 2 minutes, using the end of another spoon to scrape/knead/mix it all together with force...it forms a sticky gel looking complex, this is still flowable into a 3ml syringe for storage in freezer if you want to store long term.

I prefer to assemble 3 of these 0.5ml full (10 drops of complex) syringes ahead of time, so they are all ready to go for the evening, just shooting a single syringe's complex under tongue every 1.5 hour. These 3ml syringes are dirt cheap for a pack of 100.

I then place bottom of tongue onto spoon, or shoot a single syringe's content under tongue...it all will adhere, hold under tongue for 15 minutes, it all dissolves, yes there is a sting...but I actually enjoy it, and it's so worth it for the super strong beautiful results with zero nausea/dizziness...around 22 minutes since starting all this, go to full throttle in terms of strength, which is held for around 1.5 hour, which is point I usually re-dose. Don't forget I always take from 250mg to 300mg THH around 45 minutes earlier..I recommend using at least 150mg minimum.

I prefer this method over taking the HPBCD DMT orally with 200mg harmine, as the harmine gives me some slight dizziness and heavyness...with the sublingual route, there is ZERO nausea and dizziness, and it feels more like mescaline as compared to Ayahuasca, which has the harmine in it. For a slight harmine feel, you could always take 20 to 30mg of harmine by itself sublingually (no hpbcd needed) under tongue around 1/2 hour before using the sublingual HPBCD DMT for more of an Ayahuasca feel if that's what you prefer.

4. I've used this stuff sublingually for over 3 months now, around 30 times total if you count the number of times I've re-dosed in an evening (usually re-dose x 2 more times), as I prefer a long 4.5 hour trip with super-long afterglow, similar to a long cactus tea journey. I am completely serious when I say 300mg THH orally + 90mg complexed DMT feels identical to 700mg of mescaline. I've taken up to 850mg purified mescaline in the past (upper limit). It is beautiful beyond belief, and super-dirt cheap. Now a days, you need three 12" long x 2.5" wide PC san pedro just to get a mild 300 to 350mg mescaline trip that barely gets you off the ground, can cost quite a bit just for a mild dose, as bridgesii is super-rare these days. This completely replaces the high dose cactus tea. This feels like 18" long of 2.5" wide thick bridgesii, completely mind-blowing.

But I will add for outdoor use, the PC San Pedro (3 of the 12" long x 2.5" wide) brewed into a tea (around 300 to 350mg mescaline) taken 1st, then 1 hour later, take 250mg of THH, will make the San Pedro feel just like 300mg + 200mg mescaline = a feel identical to 500mg of mescaline, I've done this same method countless times before being driven to waterpark, where I trip my ass off all morning and early afternoon long...like an outdoor fantasy fairytale land full of neon colorful bikinis. It's way strong but completely relaxing, even calmer then mushrooms. I can hold normal conversations and have complete control of my faculties while tripping my brains out outdoors.

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starway7,

You may need to start with xtaline DMT for this to work. Your freebase DMT may have polymerized causing it to not complex well. Also, alcohol could change things. I would copy the process that ava69 uses as close as possible (only use xtaline DMT, warm water, and HPBCD).

To undo DMT polymerization and get xtals back, and A/B with gentle basing (low pH, low ionic strength) seems to work.

I believe THH only adds to the experience, you should have effects without it.

I want to try this soon. If I can get it to work I'd be happy to publish a TEK on ava69's process: in my opinion (that would be helpful for others).

Cheers and good luck.
 
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Loveall wrote:
starway7,

You may need to start with xtaline DMT for this to work. Your freebase DMT may have polymerized causing it to not complex well. Also, alcohol could change things. I would copy the process that ava69 uses as close as possible (only use xtaline DMT, warm water, and HPBCD).

To undo DMT polymerization and get xtals back, and A/B with gentle basing (low pH, low ionic strength) seems to work.

I believe THH only adds to the experience, you should have effects without it.

I want to try this soon. If I can get it to work I'd be happy to publish a TEK on ava69's process: in my opinion (that would be helpful for others).

Cheers and good luck.


Thanks for response ..Lovall...AVA69...

It will take a few days to extract some fresh crystals from my... acacia .. and when i do ..im ALWAYS!!.. in the habit of starting on a ..[[low dose]].. with anything....

Considering ive never experianced an oral spice trip yet..

Ive heard an oral trip is similar to ...[rue tea 30 minutes before vaped spice]......like a smoked .Aya trip? only longer lasting...

Ive done the ...[tea first.. and vaped spice thing]... many times....but that only about 45 minutes...unless i keep smoking more spice..

If i re try this sublingual HPBCD and spice...i will try with only 30 mgs of spice with the HPBCD...and gradually increase it...

Shouldent i experiance something on only 30 mgs..to start with/? it seems less reckless to start low then slowly increase..

[[[AVA69....below is photo of my THH ...does the tan color of my THH look similar to color of your extracted THH?



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#135 Posted : 7/8/2021 9:54:44 PM

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My THH is pure white, but what you can do is get a wet cue tip and dab it into your tan THH, then rub it on a paper plate, and hold in front of black light, if the streak glows blue, then you have THH. Any green in it, then you have some harmaline mixed in usually. The THH can still be off white to grey or tan and work fine. When THH is rubbed on gums or tongue, it has a metallic lingering taste. Yes, 30mg DMT complexed will still work, just make sure you have not smoked any DMT for at least 4 days or longer, you don't want a tolerance, or the HPBCD DMT will not work, no smoked DMT caused "immunity" in other words. Patience is key, you will get there, like my Grandmother the oil painter artist used to tell me "just do a little bit every day, and you will get there." Don't forget to use 10 drops of boiling hot water to mix it all. Loveall, thanks for kind words, and would love if one day you publish a tek. You Loveall, downwardsfromzero, voidmatrix, shroombee, starway7, violet quark, fog, merkin, dragonrider, and others have been with me since the beginning of this. It is only thru making many mistakes in the beginning and along the way that we arrive at our final destination, that is the learning process. Like an athlete or artist who practices day in, day out, the practice pays off.
 
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#136 Posted : 7/8/2021 11:31:14 PM

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starway7 wrote:
Considering ive never experianced an oral spice trip yet..

Ive heard an oral trip is similar to ...[rue tea 30 minutes before vaped spice]......like a smoked .Aya trip? only longer lasting...

Ive done the ...[tea first.. and vaped spice thing]... many times....but that only about 45 minutes...unless i keep smoking more spice..

If i re try this sublingual HPBCD and spice...i will try with only 30 mgs of spice with the HPBCD...and gradually increase it...

Shouldent i experiance something on only 30 mgs..to start with/? it seems less reckless to start low then slowly increase..

I've been playing with oral pharmahuasca the last few weekends. Learning how different ratios of harmine and THH affect me while keeping the DMT dosage near constant.

As little as 100 mg harmine freebase, 40 mg THH, and 30 mg DMT has some solid CEV for 30+ minutes and then leaves me feeling very chilled out for a couple hours.

At 145 mg harmine, 35 mg THH, and 25 mg DMT with eye mask and headphones... CEV got too intense and I felt a little dizzy so I had to remove the eye mask and headphones and curl up into fetal position to let things settle down.

180 mg harmine, no THH, 25 mg DMT has some moderate CEV. Nothing too dramatic, no dizziness. Note I did not use any THH on this weekend. So it appears THH is very effective at potentiating DMT. Just a little THH goes a long way for me. And a shroomahuasca experiment with 90 grams harmine, 110 grams THH, and 1.5 grams lemon tek shrooms was surprisingly strong.

I've been meaning to say that based on my personal experience, ava69's sublingual dosage recommendations might be on the high end for some people. Although I've noticed oral pharmahuasca dosage recommendations seem to be all over the place, so trial and error is necessary to figure out what works for you. I'm sure ava69's many years of experience with Aya and his body weight allow him to enjoy the higher doses.

Anyhow, starway7, I recommend you start low, especially if that's what your intuition is telling you. And if you question the efficacy of your THH (we are using the same brand), start with some oral pharmahuasca experiments like I'm doing. You'll see the THH is definitely active and potentiates whatever you take it with.
 
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shroombee wrote:
starway7 wrote:
Considering ive never experianced an oral spice trip yet..

Ive heard an oral trip is similar to ...[rue tea 30 minutes before vaped spice]......like a smoked .Aya trip? only longer lasting...

Ive done the ...[tea first.. and vaped spice thing]... many times....but that only about 45 minutes...unless i keep smoking more spice..

If i re try this sublingual HPBCD and spice...i will try with only 30 mgs of spice with the HPBCD...and gradually increase it...

Shouldent i experiance something on only 30 mgs..to start with/? it seems less reckless to start low then slowly increase..

I've been playing with oral pharmahuasca the last few weekends. Learning how different ratios of harmine and THH affect me while keeping the DMT dosage near constant.

As little as 100 mg harmine freebase, 40 mg THH, and 30 mg DMT has some solid CEV for 30+ minutes and then leaves me feeling very chilled out for a couple hours.

At 145 mg harmine, 35 mg THH, and 25 mg DMT with eye mask and headphones... CEV got too intense and I felt a little dizzy so I had to remove the eye mask and headphones and curl up into fetal position to let things settle down.

180 mg harmine, no THH, 25 mg DMT has some moderate CEV. Nothing too dramatic, no dizziness. Note I did not use any THH on this weekend. So it appears THH is very effective at potentiating DMT. Just a little THH goes a long way for me. And a shroomahuasca experiment with 90 grams harmine, 110 grams THH, and 1.5 grams lemon tek shrooms was surprisingly strong.

I've been meaning to say that based on my personal experience, ava69's sublingual dosage recommendations might be on the high end for some people. Although I've noticed oral pharmahuasca dosage recommendations seem to be all over the place, so trial and error is necessary to figure out what works for you. I'm sure ava69's many years of experience with Aya and his body weight allow him to enjoy the higher doses.

Anyhow, starway7, I recommend you start low, especially if that's what your intuition is telling you. And if you question the efficacy of your THH (we are using the same brand), start with some oral pharmahuasca experiments like I'm doing. You'll see the THH is definitely active and potentiates whatever you take it with.




Just last night for second try ... i took only half of a scoop ...of THH...about 25mgs].. sublingually...and held under toung for thirty minutes ...

then rinsed out mouth and vaped barely 15 to 18 mgs of spice...on top of it... and got a nice relaxed feeling ...especially in my extreemitys like my hands!

I observed minor open eye wall movement.. things bending and morphing .. as i was using so little dmt i was surprised it worked that well....

My hands booth felt wonderfull! they felt like two machines of pure pleasure and bliss!..

they even felt a little disconnected from my body.. as i relaxed into the matress.. without the slightest hint stress or anxiety....


As i layed there listening to some nice relaxing piano music..i closed my eyes and enjoyed nice closed eye visuals for abut 30 minutes or little longer....i noticed many of the CEVs were forming but lacked a strong enough dmt dosage to keep going past 30 minutes...

As i observed the CEVs i also felt strong emotional connection to many of my past life events being replayed into my consiousness...

It was like a beautyfull state of meditation ...[i felt like falling asleep]... with CEVs and ...[my hands] felt like two glowing suns of pleasure!

And the hands felt as if they wanted to disconnect from my body!....[posible beginning of an
.[[Out of body]] before falling asleep]...where one extreemitys seem to disconnect before falling into a lucid dream..or OBE.?.

Shure my dosage was very low on THH and DMT...but it gave a nice effect...

DMT has always been linked to dreaming...and the effects i experianced on low dose THH and LOW Dose spice felt similar to the stages ones body goes through when falling asleep and entering a dream..

as you fall asleep...It like a lead blanket forms at your feet.. then slowly creeps upward over your waste ..then higher and higher..untill your whole body shifts into what is called .....
[sleep paraylisis]..a condition that we all go through every night falling asleep....and then often thats when dreams occure after your body goes into SP...

So i experianced something similar to this lead blanket feeling...only it seemed it was starting in my hands instead of my feet and i felt i could fall asleep very quickly..and posibliy straight into a lucid dream or OBE?


It was interesting how a small amount of spice and THH gave this effect...i suspect the CEVs i was seeing still awake...was like looking into a screen observing an on going dream!... ...JUST AS I
WAS ABOUT TO ENTER THAT DREAM ..posibly lucid..!?


trying to make sense of my experiance.....

 
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after using a room LED black light tube... and checking again i found my THH glows yelowish green!!

atleast it does mixed in white vinegar!

[this can happen if it isnt stored correctly] it can convert back to harmaline...

just checked again in dark room with blacklight...the thh under my tounge glowed ...a ...
[strong yellow]....with greenish tint!!

that means it converted back to Harmaline?

i may try to exchange the product for something fresher.. ...

copied this below....

[[[Harmala/Harmaline glow green/yellow
....[[THH glows blue.]]]

Here are some instructions from Flowing Visions (yeah I know, caveat emptor):

Description: when diluted many times in acidic water, tetrahydroharmine freebase glows bright blue in UV light and is used to make water paint for black light special effects. Recommended Usage: tetrahydroharmine freebase is for use as a coloring additive which fluoresces in UV light. When highly diluted in acidic water, tetrahydroharmine freebase is nearly colorless but still fluoresces brightly in black light. Tetrahydroharmine freebase is great for creating fluorescent water colors used in black light art projects. For use as a fluorescent coloring additive dissolve 200 mg completely in 10 ml or more of warm vinegar prior. If not dilute enough, fluorescence is hindered. Once diluted, it may be adding to water based paints, water based inks, etc.

http://www.vendio.com/st...reebase-200/lid=16053639


 
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#139 Posted : 7/9/2021 3:53:17 AM

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shroombee wrote:
starway7 wrote:
after using a room LED black light tube... and checking again i found my THH glows yelowish green!!

atleast it does mixed in white vinegar!

[this can happen if it isnt stored correctly] it can convert back to harmaline...

just checked again in dark room with blacklight...the thh under my tounge glowed ...a ...
[strong yellow]....with greenish tint!!

that means it converted back to Harmaline?

i may try to exchange the product for something fresher.. ...

copied this below....

[[[Harmala/Harmaline glow green/yellow
....[[THH glows blue.]]]

Here are some instructions from Flowing Visions (yeah I know, caveat emptor):

Description: when diluted many times in acidic water, tetrahydroharmine freebase glows bright blue in UV light and is used to make water paint for black light special effects. Recommended Usage: tetrahydroharmine freebase is for use as a coloring additive which fluoresces in UV light. When highly diluted in acidic water, tetrahydroharmine freebase is nearly colorless but still fluoresces brightly in black light. Tetrahydroharmine freebase is great for creating fluorescent water colors used in black light art projects. For use as a fluorescent coloring additive dissolve 200 mg completely in 10 ml or more of warm vinegar prior. If not dilute enough, fluorescence is hindered. Once diluted, it may be adding to water based paints, water based inks, etc.

http://www.vendio.com/st...rahydroharmine-freebase-


The point im making is... my Thh glows mostly ...[yellow with a green tint]....
Doesnt That mean the product isnt what its suposed to be?...

posibly because of improper storage...

You should check your THH under black light..it may still pale blue or... like mine changed back to Harmaline/?



I even tryed another low dose trip i thought/?.... an hour ago subluingually and vaped what i thought was a small dose not over 12 to 15 mgs...

Was i surprised!...Vaping the way i know works....chore boy pad .. with a small bong...I expected a slow gentle come up!

This time i came up like a rocket! Whoosh!!

Not much visuals this time....At one point i wondered if i over did it!

WOW!... was it a fast and strong come up...[not that enjoyable... being that fast! ...and without the visuals...

I could have had some rue tea first.. and had a slower gentle and visual come up..

Even after 20 minutes sublingual THH...it didnt seem to slow down the come up...it acted like straight Spice!



you may want to check your THH under black light...if it glows blue ...your product is better shape than mine...






 
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I ought to try this combo.
I have one question, have you tried taking THH orally and then smoking DMT?
How does it feel like? how long does it lasts?

I planned on doing it with some friends (I´m not o kind on doing aya with certain friends, once you take it there´no coming back) so the plan was:

Taking 1,2-2gr of cubensis mushrooms
Taking 200mg of THH
Smoking DMT (joints of non enhanced changa, caapi vine and lear, etc)

Will the effects of dmt last longer with by taking 200mg of THH?
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It killed those things, it cauterized them..."

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