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#121 Posted : 8/12/2021 12:57:32 AM

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Shroombee, would recommend raising the 100mg harmine to 200mg harmine for full RIMA inhibition once you get beyond practice stage.

Thanks for the suggestion, ava69.

Interesting that I'm doing oral pharmahuasca using only 100 mg harmine freebase and 25-30 mg DMT (freebase or jimjam) to get a Shulgin level 3 trip. After dosing both at the same time, it's 30-40 minutes until CEV starts, then ~40 minutes CEV - sometimes with a lot going on so I might get a little dizzy (but no warping of thoughts or confusion of fantasy versus reality), then about an hour afterglow before I feel like getting up to meditate for an hour.

For me, 100 mg harmine seems to be full RIMA. Although I'll try 200 mg soon to see how that affects things.

The oral HPBCD DMT is intriguing. Specifically, why would it be so much stronger. Perhaps the HPBCD protects the DMT from stray MAO enzymes as well as increasing absorption?
 

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#122 Posted : 8/13/2021 11:30:34 PM

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The liftmode THH came with a lab report.



This concerns me
Cadmium <0.010 ppm
Mercury <0.003 ppm
Lead <0.397 ppm
Arsenic <0.077 ppm
Testing date 11/24/2020
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#123 Posted : 8/14/2021 12:17:05 AM

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This concerns me
Cadmium <0.010 ppm
Mercury <0.003 ppm
Lead <0.397 ppm
Arsenic <0.077 ppm

What is the concern? Those levels are very low. According to this site which developed a standard for heavy metal contamination, the Liftmode THH would qualify for the following outstanding ratings:

Cadmium A+++
Mercury A+++
Lead B
Arsenic A+++

Only lead is a concern, and it's still pretty good under these strict standards.

Note the guy who runs this site, Mike Adams "The Health Ranger" is (IMO) a total far right conspiracy theorist naturalist nutcase. If Liftmode THH is A+++ on his list for all heavy metals except a "B" for lead, I feel the heavy metals amounts are of no concern.
 
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#124 Posted : 8/14/2021 2:51:04 AM

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Note the guy who runs this site, Mike Adams "The Health Ranger" is (IMO) a total far right conspiracy theorist naturalist nutcase.


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#125 Posted : 8/15/2021 12:58:18 AM

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ava69 wrote:
So it looks like the concensus so far is two votes cast for the China made THH glowing green/yellow (starway & voidmatrix) and one vote cast for the China made THH glowing blue (like it should) under blacklight at 6'o clock (GLTASN). Yes, harmine also glows blue, but let's not complicate all this.



Im not voteing .. [FOR]..the ..green/ yellow..color of LM THH!

It may be ok...but im the type of person who goes by the book..

If it should glow blue.. and it doesnt...to me thats a bit suspicious...

I dont want to cause others to dis trust the product...it just sits in my closet not being used..

I think i would trust rue tea better..because its natural and does contain some THH!



AVA69...I have a question about the HPBCD...

In a recent post you gave a recepy for just mixing halmallas..THH...HPBCD all together for an oral trip because you said you got tired of the sublingual stinging...

It apears that the HPBCD need not be pressed into a spoon..if your taking it orally?


So can i just mix HPBCD into some rue tea...just mixing is ok?

Im interested in the claim that HPBCD can make other drugs more absorbable?

Is this true?

I wonder if HPBCD mixed with some supliments ..[orally]..can make the supliment more effective?

there are lots of dream supliments on my mind that i ocasionally use...

there is... Galantamine...Huperzene A...[Vinpocetine]. and many other great Nutropics...

Or does this improvement using HPBCD...only happen with certain classes of drugs?


 
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#126 Posted : 8/15/2021 1:01:13 AM

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here is what i found on HPBCD..

How does cyclodextrin improve solubility of drugs?
Cyclodextrins and their derivatives, by forming guest- host complexes, encapsulate an insoluble drug and increase its aqueous solubility. The cyclodextrin carries the drug through the aqueous solution and the complex dissociates upon reach- ing the site of action. ...






 
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#127 Posted : 8/16/2021 1:58:31 PM

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NO THH in Rue??







found this below on syrian rue...



The seeds of “Syrian rue.” ... Peganum harmala contains β-carbolines such as harmaline, harmine, harmalol, harmol, tetrahydroharmine, and the quinazoline derivatives vasicinone and deoxyvasicinone (Hemmateenejad, Abbaspour, Maghami, Miri, & Panjehshahin, 2006; Zhao et al., 2011).


 
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#128 Posted : 8/23/2021 5:24:10 PM

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quote....Suppose you took 180mg harmine fb (2.0mg/kg is a strong activating dose) + 150mg THH fb + 90mg HPBCD DMT (630mg plain HPBCD complexed to 90mg freebase DMT first made on a spoon then added to tea mix) all mixed into 1oz hot water tea Ayahuasca for your 1st dose like I love to do, only I use more THH, usually 250mg like I did last night.......


I really dont have anything that i trust as being ...clean pure ThH... ...

[[except for the lift mode stuff... im not shure of]].

But im curious...In the dosages you posted above... ...

How would you [reduce..or ..adjust]...the dosage above?...

if you just wanted to get your feet wet and test the waters..

[for maybe a one and a half hour trip?]...if one has never tryed the oral route yet? [cut the ingrediants in half??/]

also could this work with rue actives only?... and ..[spice prepared in a spoon with HPBCD] in advance as you stated above?

im already aware that rue and spice in proper doses can work... but the idea of naseua did not sound good...
 
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#129 Posted : 8/23/2021 11:23:40 PM

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How would you [reduce..or ..adjust]...the dosage above?...

if you just wanted to get your feet wet and test the waters..

[for maybe a one and a half hour trip?]...if one has never tryed the oral route yet? [cut the ingrediants in half??/]

First try oral harmine alone, increasing dosages on different days until you get mild psychedelic effects like auditory hallucinations or a little CEV. Try 100 mg, then 150 mg, then 200 mg. By 200 mg you should definitely notice effects. I get effects at 100 mg. Effects will be relatively mild compared to DMT, mescaline, shrooms, etc. But you want to get to the "it's definitely active" stage. At this point we can assume you probably have MAO inhibition in the gut (this is of course necessary for oral DMT to be active and not broken down by MAO enzymes).

Once you have found the amount of harmine where you get psychedelic effects, try adding a little THH and see how that affects things. Maybe 50 mg, then 100 mg.

Finally add in the DMT. Start with 30 mg and increase from there. I would add the DMT with 50 mg harmine, about 30-60 minutes after taking the first dosage of harmine. Although I've also taken the DMT at the same time as the harmine and it does work, I think the 30+ minute delay ensures the MAO enzymes have been deactivated. I think I've noticed more consistent CEV with the delay, but haven't done enough tests to be sure.

If you have harmine and THH freebase, dissolve in water with some citric acid or lemon juice.

As always when trying new combinations, start low with your dosage and increase slowly.

Note this is my experience with oral pharmahuasca, not sublingual and not modifying anything with HPBCD.

 
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#130 Posted : 8/24/2021 12:57:26 AM

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shroombee wrote:
starway7 wrote:
How would you [reduce..or ..adjust]...the dosage above?...

if you just wanted to get your feet wet and test the waters..

[for maybe a one and a half hour trip?]...if one has never tryed the oral route yet? [cut the ingrediants in half??/]

First try oral harmine alone, increasing dosages on different days until you get mild psychedelic effects like auditory hallucinations or a little CEV. Try 100 mg, then 150 mg, then 200 mg. By 200 mg you should definitely notice effects. I get effects at 100 mg. Effects will be relatively mild compared to DMT, mescaline, shrooms, etc. But you want to get to the "it's definitely active" stage. At this point we can assume you probably have MAO inhibition in the gut (this is of course necessary for oral DMT to be active and not broken down by MAO enzymes).

Once you have found the amount of harmine where you get psychedelic effects, try adding a little THH and see how that affects things. Maybe 50 mg, then 100 mg.

Finally add in the DMT. Start with 30 mg and increase from there. I would add the DMT with 50 mg harmine, about 30-60 minutes after taking the first dosage of harmine. Although I've also taken the DMT at the same time as the harmine and it does work, I think the 30+ minute delay ensures the MAO enzymes have been deactivated. I think I've noticed more consistent CEV with the delay, but haven't done enough tests to be sure.

If you have harmine and THH freebase, dissolve in water with some citric acid or lemon juice.

As always when trying new combinations, start low with your dosage and increase slowly.

Note this is my experience with oral pharmahuasca, not sublingual and not modifying anything with HPBCD.



thanks for your advice ..shroombee..

Ive always just brewed some rue tea...then vaped some spice ..and usually wasnt let down...

I guess you call it...[a vapauasca experiance]

Ive never yet had success with oral spice...ive heard oral is really a lighter experiance than when you vape the spice? but longer...[but chances of naseua are higher]/?

I dont have any extracted harmine right now... just full spectrum rue ..as in rue tea...

i could extract it from the rue seed..or order some already extracted,,,

Im drying out my 5 grams of rue tea in hopes of scraping it into a powder to put in capsules...and prevent any real naseua ...

im still interested in the answer to my HPBCD question...?

Thanks...

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#131 Posted : 8/24/2021 1:26:26 AM

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starway7 wrote:
Im drying out my 5 grams of rue tea in hopes of scraping it into a powder to put in capsules...and prevent any real naseua ...

I think the nausea comes from too much harmalas? Perhaps mostly from the harmaline?

In which case that's why I suggested using pure harmine and increasing dosage incrementally to get to the psychoactive level without discomfort. Harmine is active for me at 100 mg and I've used 180 mg with no nausea. I haven't tried higher amounts yet.
 
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#132 Posted : 8/24/2021 8:43:21 AM
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shroombee wrote:
starway7 wrote:
Im drying out my 5 grams of rue tea in hopes of scraping it into a powder to put in capsules...and prevent any real naseua ...

I think the nausea comes from too much harmalas? Perhaps mostly from the harmaline?

I would agree with this. Evaporating the water will not make the product any cleaner or prevent nausea. Harmaline is the main cause of it in my experience. 200mg of harmine should be smooth sailing, but even 50mg of harmaline can make me rocket vomit.

Of course you will get the benefit of not having to taste it, so if that's your source of nausea I'm sure it can be helpful.
 
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#133 Posted : 8/24/2021 1:57:33 PM

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shroombee wrote:
starway7 wrote:
Im drying out my 5 grams of rue tea in hopes of scraping it into a powder to put in capsules...and prevent any real naseua ...

I think the nausea comes from too much harmalas? Perhaps mostly from the harmaline?

I would agree with this. Evaporating the water will not make the product any cleaner or prevent nausea. Harmaline is the main cause of it in my experience. 200mg of harmine should be smooth sailing, but even 50mg of harmaline can make me rocket vomit.

Of course you will get the benefit of not having to taste it, so if that's your source of nausea I'm sure it can be helpful.





full spectrum Rue tea usually doesnt give me any naseua if i stay within a.. 1 to 3 gram limit on the seed..

Also keeping the the seed material [OUT] of the tea is a big plus! in keeping away naseua...
[this fact can be found if you research past nexus posts as far back as 2012 when i first joined nexus...as ...starway6..

Also... i filtered my tea 5 times through a coffie filter and my putting the actives only into capsuls...[minus the seed material] is my way of cleaning it as good as posible before i ingest it... without the taste of santans armpits..

I have done crude extractions of rue seed before ..but i had to use lye...in the process..

I figure i dont have to worry about ingesting any trace chemicals..[i may have not washed out] if i dont use them to start with..

keep it ..[all natural at a safe dose].... and protect your health at same time...

Rue can be toxic at high doses!...at low doses its usually safe....
 
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#134 Posted : 8/24/2021 4:13:39 PM

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Hey all. I think I have time to get back at this.

I will be skipping fb harmalas and opting instead for 3g rue tea 30-45 minutes prior to sublingual administration of 35mg for DMT. I am starting over my experimentation with this method. I don't think enough was being absorbed sublingually in prior attempts. In this trial, i intend on drying out the membrane underneath my tongue just before administering the complexed DMT. Hoping to have more effect from this dosage with this method than with previous attempts.

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Voidmatrix wrote:
Hey all. I think I have time to get back at this.

I will be skipping fb harmalas and opting instead for 3g rue tea 30-45 minutes prior to sublingual administration of 35mg for DMT. I am starting over my experimentation with this method. I don't think enough was being absorbed sublingually in prior attempts. In this trial, i intend on drying out the membrane underneath my tongue just before administering the complexed DMT. Hoping to have more effect from this dosage with this method than with previous attempts.

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i hope the sublingual attempt works!....[but if the ..[sublingal attempt doesnt work]... and instead you vape 45 minutes after the tea..you should get a powerfull experiance....


I would keep a loaded pipe nearby... incase the sublingual spice fails....


 
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#136 Posted : 8/24/2021 6:20:24 PM

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starway7 wrote:
Voidmatrix wrote:
Hey all. I think I have time to get back at this.

I will be skipping fb harmalas and opting instead for 3g rue tea 30-45 minutes prior to sublingual administration of 35mg for DMT. I am starting over my experimentation with this method. I don't think enough was being absorbed sublingually in prior attempts. In this trial, i intend on drying out the membrane underneath my tongue just before administering the complexed DMT. Hoping to have more effect from this dosage with this method than with previous attempts.

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i hope the sublingual attempt works!....[but if the ..[sublingal attempt doesnt work]... and instead you vape 45 minutes after the tea..you should get a powerfull experiance....


I would keep a loaded pipe nearby... incase the sublingual spice fails....




Thank you kindly my friend.
I think I'll keep a bowl of some "new" changa packed in case there's no effect.

Also, Starway7, I'm picking up some everclear after work today and will be freezing some rue seeds for our experiment. Just been super busy with a 5 day intensive, three mimosa extractions going, two caapi extractions going, plus general life stuff...

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shroombee wrote:
starway7 wrote:
Im drying out my 5 grams of rue tea in hopes of scraping it into a powder to put in capsules...and prevent any real naseua ...

I think the nausea comes from too much harmalas? Perhaps mostly from the harmaline?

In which case that's why I suggested using pure harmine and increasing dosage incrementally to get to the psychoactive level without discomfort. Harmine is active for me at 100 mg and I've used 180 mg with no nausea. I haven't tried higher amounts yet.




after 48hours of drying the rue tea feels dry to touch... but the stuff refuses to dry enough to turn into a powder?? atleast in two days...

I scrape up what i can and im getting a ..[very sticky!].. resin .. that i roll into maoi pellets between my fingers..

maybe it takes a whole week to dry the rue tea resin?

Im thinking that these little pellets may vaporize ok in a pipe?
 
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So I am not sure if this method is for me.

I complexed 35mg FB DMT with 280mg 2-Hydroxy HPBCD after drinking 3g roasted rue tea. While trying to hold it under my tongue, my salivation got out of control about 7 minutes in, so I just swallowed it.

That said, it has been a very mild, yet peaceful, experience. Very little going on visually, but a definite body high and a sense of inner peace. Can't have any qualms about that.

Ava69, thank you for all of the diligent research and work you have put in to sharing this method with us all. It's phenomenal and impressive.

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#139 Posted : 8/25/2021 3:06:34 AM

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Voidmatrix wrote:
I complexed 35mg FB DMT with 280mg 2-Hydroxy HPBCD after drinking 3g roasted rue tea. While trying to hold it under my tongue, my salivation got out of control about 7 minutes in, so I just swallowed it.

That said, it has been a very mild, yet peaceful, experience. Very little going on visually, but a definite body high and a sense of inner peace. Can't have any qualms about that.

How much harmalas are in 3g rue tea? Would that normally be enough for full MAO inhibition?

I like the body high and sense of inner peace while lying down. I use those effects to get out of my head, and after getting up I try meditating for an hour in the afterglow. Trying to use this as a regular spiritual practice.

Sometimes I get little visuals, then the next time there's plenty. Haven't figured out why yet.
 
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#140 Posted : 8/25/2021 3:22:08 AM

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Voidmatrix wrote:
I complexed 35mg FB DMT with 280mg 2-Hydroxy HPBCD after drinking 3g roasted rue tea. While trying to hold it under my tongue, my salivation got out of control about 7 minutes in, so I just swallowed it.

That said, it has been a very mild, yet peaceful, experience. Very little going on visually, but a definite body high and a sense of inner peace. Can't have any qualms about that.

How much harmalas are in 3g rue tea? Would that normally be enough for full MAO inhibition?

I like the body high and sense of inner peace while lying down. I use those effects to get out of my head, and after getting up I try meditating for an hour in the afterglow. Trying to use this as a regular spiritual practice.

Sometimes I get little visuals, then the next time there's plenty. Haven't figured out why yet.


That's a great question, and I do not know the answer. What I do know is, this one time, when I wasn't paying attention, I drank 3g roasted rue tea after work, and about an hour later decided I wanted to blast off, not considering the rue tea I drank... I accidentally broke-through... (I say "accidentally" because I am presently not breaking through on purpose (only sub-break-throughs), and it was only 15mg Shocked ).

Do you take roughly the same dose (35mg)? If so, and if you don't mind me asking, what's your weight? I'm trying to guage how much to try next time, and know body weight can play a factor in effective dosing. Sometimes the spice just does want it wants (with respect to uncertainty about why one experience can have barely any visuals and another at the same dose a great deal), all other considerations aside Big grin .

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