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#61 Posted : 3/20/2020 3:27:29 PM

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https://www.inquirer.com...antibiotic-20200318.html

aside from hemorrhagic fever, most common infectious viruses (ex. influenza-a, HIV, HCV), have capsids. they are enveloped.
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#62 Posted : 3/20/2020 5:27:19 PM

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Interesting new data...

Risk Of Getting Covid-19 Could Be Linked To Certain Blood Types, Coronavirus Study Suggests

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Taking the data as a whole, the researchers concluded that "blood group A had a significantly higher risk for COVID-19" when compared with non-A blood groups. Those in the O group, meanwhile, "had a significantly lower risk for the infectious disease."


If I interpret it correctly, A's have a 75% higher likelihood of developing Covid-19 than O's.
 
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#63 Posted : 3/22/2020 10:54:44 AM

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We have been in enforced lock down since Monday. You cannot go out without a self filled out form giving a legitimate reason as to why you need to get out. There are plenty of reported cases within a 15 km radius of us and a police checkpoint on the exit to our village.Round our way a police car is normally a very rare sight. On the SUnday before the lockdowm i discovered my neighbours corpse in his front room. I don't think it was covid related but the poor guy was a year younger than me and it has given us a sense of fragility in the face of the oncoming pandemic.

As far as the land of my birth goes i do not think that the UK government is dealing with the crisis in a serious way. And i don't understand the mentality of the UK population. On one hand they are saying it's not serious, while at the same time panic buying and emptying supermarket shelves. I am really worried about my parents(80 and 89 years old), friends, family and the population in general. I can't accept the darwinistic herd immunity BS as humane. Or indeed saying "all the old people that kick the bucket probably voted conservative, so it's ok". Is this how it is? Do we survive by going "i'm allright jack pull up the ladder" or by cutting out inefficient authourities and helping each other? I there a happy medium between the two.
 
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#64 Posted : 3/22/2020 4:34:47 PM

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benzyme wrote:
https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-covid19-antiviral-cure-antibiotic-20200318.html

aside from hemorrhagic fever, most common infectious viruses (ex. influenza-a, HIV, HCV), have capsids. they are enveloped.


That article briefly mentions antivirals. How about Hydroxychloroquine? Seems like it disrupts the virus cycle in the body (described here, but I don't really understand the deaitls at this time). Any thoughts? Thanks.

Harmalas have also shown antiviral activity in several places (example). I wonder if they would have any effect on the latest coronavirus, but have no idea.
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#65 Posted : 3/22/2020 4:53:45 PM

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no easy answer for it. different family, possibly different replication code. the surface-binding proteins have different structures, and rapidly mutate.

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#66 Posted : 3/22/2020 6:18:42 PM

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I am not convinced of the speciality of the corona virus.
Each year 300000 to 500000 people die of the regular seasonal sicknesses by viruses, we've never heard one word of panic over those, it was "normal".

https://www.livescience....us-compare-with-flu.html
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnlT3rPNUp0
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Wodarg

I'm not taking a stance, how could I with all these contradicting winds, only not convinced.
 
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#67 Posted : 3/22/2020 6:40:16 PM

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understandable.
the "novelty" of this virus is due to the fact that humans are not native 'vectors', and lack the antibody recognition of this strain. that's why there is no (to our knowledge) vaccine yet. More testing needs to be done, to determine who develops immunity, so their serum may be used to develop a vaccine.

it doesn't help that we have a president that not only silenced experts, but suppressed efforts early on, to address the issue. saying blatant lies like "there are tests, anyone can get them...anyone...and they're beautiful tests..." (whatever the hell that means) doesn't help.
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#68 Posted : 3/22/2020 7:10:38 PM

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Jees wrote:
I am not convinced of the speciality of the corona virus.
Each year 300000 to 500000 people die of the regular seasonal sicknesses by viruses, we've never heard one word of panic over those, it was "normal".

https://www.livescience....us-compare-with-flu.html
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnlT3rPNUp0
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Wodarg

I'm not taking a stance, how could I with all these contradicting winds, only not convinced.


If it was "just the flu" , why is it that hospitals are getting completely overwhelmed with this, in a way they were never before?

Also, the flu doesnt go away because of this, this is yet an addition to the problem already presented by the flu.

I highly suggest reading scientific publications yourself, its the best way to get an informed opinion on the matter.
 
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#69 Posted : 3/22/2020 8:20:36 PM

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A Medical Worker Describes Terrifying Lung Failure From COVID-19 โ€” Even in His Young Patients

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Iโ€™m seeing people who look relatively healthy with a minimal health history, and they are completely wiped out, like theyโ€™ve been hit by a truck. This is knocking out what should be perfectly fit, healthy people. Patients will be on minimal support, on a little bit of oxygen, and then all of a sudden, they go into complete respiratory arrest, shut down and canโ€™t breathe at all.


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This severity ... is usually more typical of someone who has a near drowning experience ... or people who inhale caustic gas.


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โ€œIt first struck me how different it was when I saw my first coronavirus patient go bad. I was like, Holy shit, this is not the flu. Watching this relatively young guy, gasping for air, pink frothy secretions coming out of his tube and out of his mouth. The ventilator should have been doing the work of breathing but he was still gasping for air, moving his mouth, moving his body, struggling. We had to restrain him. With all the coronavirus patients, weโ€™ve had to restrain them. [..]

โ€œWhen someone has an infection, Iโ€™m used to seeing the normal colors youโ€™d associate with it: greens and yellows. The coronavirus patients with ARDS have been having a lot of secretions that are actually pink because theyโ€™re filled with blood cells that are leaking into their airways. They are essentially drowning in their own blood and fluids because their lungs are so full. So weโ€™re constantly having to suction out the secretions every time we go into their rooms.โ€
 
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#70 Posted : 3/22/2020 8:43:04 PM

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I've said it several times...it's not even in the same family as the flu.
different structures, different binding glycoproteins. it's a different pathogen, one that human antibodies don't recognize.

Imagine you run antivirus software on your comp., you constantly have to update viral definitions. This is akin to getting vaccinations every year, and Orthomyxoviridae (the flu family) has been around as long as mankind, so the source code is familiar to native antibodies. What changes is the code/structure of the binding proteins. But what if you encounter a backdoor virus with altogether different source code, that there are no known definitions for? That's similar to what we're dealing with.

The human body is host to billions of bacteria, and quadrillions of viruses....but this is a new one.
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#71 Posted : 3/22/2020 11:10:41 PM

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Jees wrote:
I am not convinced of the speciality of the corona virus.
Each year 300000 to 500000 people die of the regular seasonal sicknesses by viruses, we've never heard one word of panic over those, it was "normal".

https://www.livescience....us-compare-with-flu.html
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnlT3rPNUp0
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Wodarg

I'm not taking a stance, how could I with all these contradicting winds, only not convinced.


I'm pretty sure it is much more dangerous and impactful than the flu. Twice as contagious and up to 10x more deadly from what I've learned. Like endlessness said it is overrunning hospitals, doesn't seem to me like the usual seasonal flu can do this.
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Loveall wrote:
Jees wrote:
I am not convinced of the speciality of the corona virus.
Each year 300000 to 500000 people die of the regular seasonal sicknesses by viruses, we've never heard one word of panic over those, it was "normal".

https://www.livescience....us-compare-with-flu.html
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnlT3rPNUp0
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Wodarg

I'm not taking a stance, how could I with all these contradicting winds, only not convinced.


I'm pretty sure it is much more dangerous and impactful than the flu. Twice as contagious and up to 10x more deadly from what I've learned. Like endlessness said it is overrunning hospitals, doesn't seem to me like the usual seasonal flu can do this.

The confusion probably comes from conflicting figures, wich is mostly the result of different ways of counting. Sometimes, the lethality relative to the amount of patients with symptoms is mentioned, sometimes it is relative to the total amount of people who tested positive. And sometimes, deaths as a result of complications unrelated to the virus (like if people also have cancer, HIV, or liver or kidneyfailure) aren't counted in.

This is a new virus. Not that much is known about it yet. And everything is happening realy fast.
 
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#73 Posted : 3/23/2020 12:32:01 AM

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https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56

excellent article
 
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endlessness wrote:
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56

excellent article


Excellent yet terrifying.
 
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havent read all the posts yet about this...has anyone "gone in" and received information yet? Seriously considering doing just that...its possible that the healing could take place in that space.
 
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havent read all the posts yet about this...has anyone "gone in" and received information yet? Seriously considering doing just that...its possible that the healing could take place in that space.
I'm inclined to think harmalas could be part of that, and that's 1 of the the reasons I intake my daily dose of powdered rue. In South America the ayahuasca was/is a mere general medicine, the purge, the parasite killing...

In vitro and in vivo effects of Peganum harmala L. seeds extract against influenza A virus
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Based on our findings, P. harmala seeds extract can inhibit influenza A virus replication in vitro and in vivo. Therefore, isolation and characterization of the plantโ€™s active compounds and investigation of the underlying mechanisms of its antiviral action are highly suggested.
Key Words: Influenza A virus, Antiviral activity, Peganum harmala L...

Sorry again for the Flu analogy but I presume harmala's properties might be wide enough. It helps with certain Herpes-simplex virus and also Herpes-zoster virus, I've first hand experience as confirmation of the data.
Let it inspire to buy and use Syrian Rue and/or Caapi in these times, and having another reason why to fill your stock to have it in da house always.

Would be interesting to know what Kambo could do.

If you refer to "going in" and coming out with a good idea, I doubt, well maybe if some knowledge is on the verge of surfacing then a little help might trigger it in view.
 
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200 mg/kg, that sounds like a lot. However, it was an ethanol extract, not an A/B one, so it may have been largely impure. But still, even with plain rue seeds, that would be ~12.4 grams of seed a day for the average human body mass.

I wonder what a good dose of plain rue seeds or a crude extract for a human would be, in the context of its antiviral activity and this virus in particular?
 
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thank you! this is a great response. did a small dive in last night...i mean the overall message seems to be constant...(wake up call, re-balance, plant message etc)

how amazing and perfect it would be if this family of medicine winds up being the cure.
 
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My aunt is neighbors with someone who works for homeland security. They told her our governor is about to shut the state (Vermont) down, and to stock up and prepare for the shutdown. My wife and I work for essential businesses, so we still have jobs, but I kinda just wanna call out for the next 2 weeks and stay home with the kids. Weird when you live in back woods rural towns, thinking this wouldnโ€™t get this far. Be safe everyone. Love you all.

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#80 Posted : 3/24/2020 2:42:20 PM

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mayaself wrote:
how amazing and perfect it would be if this family of medicine winds up being the cure.


There are no cures for viruses. Viruses only go into remission.
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