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Loveall
#61 Posted : 12/11/2020 9:21:10 AM

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Agreed. As you probably know, an evap test will check if acetone evaporates cleanly. If it passes this test (and potential plastic interaction is managed), I would presonaly be comfortable to use it as a carrier for direct e-mesh. Each free adult can make their own personal informed decision.

Regarding the plastic concern, I just found out that droppers are usually made with polypropylene or polyethylene, wich should be ok with acetone. Chances are dropper is OK (I would test it). O-rings are more of a concern, but one drop at a time quickly evaporated should be manageable I think.
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#62 Posted : 12/11/2020 10:45:00 AM

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Indeed. Always do an evap test, that's how I noticed how impure some acetone products are at hardware stores. Just wanted to state this as a general warning to the public, but if your happy with the evap test and feel good to use the acetone, should be fine.

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#63 Posted : 12/12/2020 2:39:53 PM

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Loveall wrote:
Love how the e-mesh vaporizes, but I'm bad at loading it, with DMT crums always ending up all over the place 😭. Liquid drops go on so well on the mesh, I want to try drops again with something else since everclear did not work.

In Q21Q21's tek, DMT acetate is prepared as a stable solution. With heat, it is claimed to be vaporizable.

Would this be a way to use e-mesh with drops?

Specifically, vinegar would be neutralized with DMT FB and the solution reduced to a ~ 50% DMT acetate solution (assuming it doesn't become saturated). Two 20mg drops (from a typical small dropper) would have ~20mg of the salt (which is roughly ~3 parts (~15 mg) DMT and ~1 part (~5mg) acetic acid. Then, evaporate the water and ramp up the temp to vaporize.

Any thoughts on this? Reasons it wouldn't work? The tek mentioned that the acetate salt is vaporizable (unlike more stable salts), but perhaps the temp needed is too high without a flame? Any concerns with the stainless steel reacting (I don't see a clear reason to worry)? Mindlusion has mentioned the acetate would break down into unwanted stuff, but it is a small amount (5mg).

Wondering if anyone has thoughts on this before I jump into trying it out.

I can't speak to this BUT i have had good luck loading from a gel cap. I premeasure several 25-20mg doses so they are ready to go. A few crumbs fall on the RDA but are easy to reclaim later. The mesh sheet is more rigid and not as springy so consider this when choosing which mesh.
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#64 Posted : 12/12/2020 6:40:31 PM

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Loveall wrote:


I tried this and it doesn't work: overtime DMT separated from 75% ethanol (everclear) and formed a separate oily layer. I think this is because of polymerization in the concentrated liquid.

It's too bad, right after mixing the everclear and DMT it seemed to work and the drops were super easy to load and would stick to the mesh.

Oh well...


Did you try to vape this separated oily DMT layer? Maybe that's exactly what we want!
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#65 Posted : 1/4/2021 10:12:01 PM

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I performed my fist drop test with 12 mg spice:

For testing purposes I started with 4 mg.drop. I loaded 3 drops (12mg). Used a 50 mm long 13 mm wide 100 mesh. I decided to lower the temp as the spice will be spread out on the mesh and vape faster. After loading each drop i evapped the ethanol by pulsing at 100 C. Used @ 180 C 60 W to vape. I got all in one hit and was a decent experience for 12 mg.

So it works!

Tried again by lowering the temp to 150 C and 160 C, but these are too low to vape all in one hit. 180 does the trick. Note that the spice was yellow crystally, not fluffy white, meaning plant oil might prevent vaping at lower temps.
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#66 Posted : 1/4/2021 10:35:04 PM

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some one, is this for 96% ethanol? Thanks for testing!
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#67 Posted : 1/5/2021 8:43:02 PM

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#68 Posted : 2/1/2021 10:25:42 PM

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I dissolved some menthol xtals in acetone (only ~10mg in 2ml, a little goes a long way). Once drop (~18mg) on the emesh was pulsed evaporated to remove the acetone. At 100C setting (lowest possible) it produces a puff of smoke. The flavor is amazing Smile


No effects of course, but I think it can improve flavor and decrease the cough reflex for anyone that has an issue with that.

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#69 Posted : 4/15/2021 2:13:35 AM

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Another RDA to consider: A redditor pointed me towards the Cthulhu Ceto RDA, and out of curiosity I thought I'd check it out. It allows for a significantly larger loading area than a mesh roll setup, and seems to heat up more evenly than a fitted mesh setup. Using a piece of 150 mesh cut to 32mm x 15mm, the loading area for the spice was around 18mm x 15mm, which is almost twice as much room as the standard vandy vape setup offers. You need to load and toke while the mod is on its side. My mod is actually more stable on its side, and I don't think this is a problem, but some people might not like this. I needed to adjust the TCR to get good readings with the temp gun. It heated very fast, and seemed to heat evenly. I haven't actually vaped off it yet, and it will probably be a while before I experiment with it much more. I just wanted to share this in case other people wanted to experiment with this RDA. I think the only real downside is the need to source a ss316 150 mesh sheet, which I didn't have too much trouble with.
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#70 Posted : 4/18/2021 1:44:31 AM

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Olomana,
Thank you very much for sharing about that RDA, I had not heard about that one previously and it looks very promising. The difficulty of loading on small pieces of mesh definitely seems to be the one downside of this method for me and so I think anything with a larger area could be a big improvement.
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