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Propello
#1 Posted : 11/27/2019 6:15:57 PM

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Introduction

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Disclaimer: This guide is meant to educate and inform this community about the direct e-mesh administration method for vaping DMT as smooth, safe and effective as possible. Any forum member that disagree's with any info in this guide please post your concern so that this guide can be updated. Any info that needs to be added please post a reply so this guide can stay properly informative.


Chart for common dose sizes wrote:
Threshold: 5-10mg (none to very slight CEV's & OEV's psychedelic thought patterns)
Low: 10-15mg (none to slight CEV's and very slight OEV's possible)
Common: 15-30mg (Most common Breakthrough range)
High: 30-45mg (Pretty insane, can be very difficult to handle for some)
Overkill: 45mg and up (Not Recommended, most who vape this properly NEVER do it again)
Get a good Scale


Disclaimer and chart are borrowed form the DMT vaping thread, which contains important information about dosage. Know your dosage! You can read the thread here: https://www.dmt-nexus.me...2&f=44&q=364119

The direct e-mesh method for vaping spice, is in my humble opinion the safest and most effective way to enter hyperspace in one hit. No need for a second hit, as you can empty a breakthrough dose in about 5 seconds. It delivers smooth vapor, and no burned taste or smell with the correct temperature settings. With the e-mesh method you can breakthrough every time with a minimal use of spice. I haven’t used the GVG since April, as I find this method of administration more effective and safer if you travel without a sitter. (No torch lighter)
This tek is inspired by the initial mesh thread by Aum Shanti, which uses a more advanced setup.
You can read Aum Shanti’s posts here:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...amp;m=974071#post974071

The e-mesh method has a long thread discussing details here : https://www.dmt-nexus.me...px?g=posts&t=87004.

Some One's e-mesh howto:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...spx?g=posts&t=87672

Thanks to all the good people who have participated to develop the e-mesh method, giving advice and feedback to the original thread. Special thanks to Aum Shanti & Some One.
This method is perfect for those who want a one hit breakthrough. I would advice to use a scale measuring your amount of spice, because if you do a bit too much, it will hit hard. Personally I am gone for 5-9 minutes on 25mg, so thread carefully and scale your dose.

1. Equipment needed:
1. An e-cigarette battery mod with temperature for SS (stainless steel) and manual TCR (Temperature Coefficient of Resistance, see http://vaping411.com/tcr-mode/ for more info)
2. An e-cigarette mesh RDA – Rebuildable Dripper Atomizer (Vandy vape mesh, vandy vape mesh v2 (Not the best one for spice), , wotofo profile)
The vandyvape mesh has a bit wider post holes for the mesh, so you can get a bigger mesh piece inside. The first vandy vape mesh rda is a bit hard to find these days, so the V2 might be the best option. You can still find cheap clones on Wish, which will do the job.
If you want quality, order the V2 from a vape shop.
3. Mesh SS sheet or roll. I find the 100 microns size perfect (sheet). The vandy vape SS 150 rolls are also good.
4. Rechargeable battery of good quality, if needed in the mod. Some mods have built-in batteries, others use an external battery.
5. Battery charger if necessary.
6. A longer drip tip to avoid burning lips and hot vapor is better, but not a must. https://www.google.com/search?q=810+long+drip+tip

I recommend the Geekvape Aegis solo mod, which I use myself. A robust and lightweight mod with very good temp control. If you get this one,You will need an external 18650 battery of good quality (Sony vtc5a, sony vtc6, lghg2, samsung 30q samsung 25r) and an external battery charger. You can buy or order this from any proper vape shop.
Mesh sheets are cheap on ebay. With a fitted sheet you will get more surface, and I find it is easier to load the spice with this than the roll sheets without spilling.

2. Fitting and mounting the mesh.


These parameters are suited for the vandy vape mesh rda v1. If you have an other rda than this one, you might need to adjust the mesh size to fit your RDA.

Mesh Roll:
If you choose to use the vandy vape mesh roll, the mounting is pretty straight forward.
1. Cut a piece of the roll 4cm long.
2. You want to bend the mesh so it fits the post and to get a surface area as big as possible for the spice.
3. Bend it in a mushroom form, so the flat surface on top are made wider, as wide as round you can get it, without the mesh touching the top cap or the base.
4. No hard bends, try to curve the mesh bends, see image.
5. Open the post holes with the screwdriver and insert the mesh ends and fasten tight.
6. When you mount the mesh RDA on the mod, the ohm/resistance should read between 0,20-0,30 on the mod’s display with a 4cm long mesh strip from the vandy vape SS 150 roll.
7. Max wattage should be set to 35w or higher.

The loading of spice is a lot more tricky with this setup, as the mesh is thin and flumsy. The fitted mesh is so much more practical to use when loading spice. See next chapter.



Fitted mesh:
The better alternative is the fitted mesh. Thicker, rigid , more surface and ‘fences’ makes it a lot more easier to load spice without spilling.
1. Use scissors and cut a sheet about 2.5cm wide and 4cm long. Trim some of the ends sides, so they fit into the post holes.
2. Use the scissors and form the mesh so it looks like the cross on the image. The wide part off the mesh should fit the cap. 'About 1.4 - 1.5 cm long
3. Bend the sides int he cross upwards as fences, to better keep the spice in the middle when loading. Then bend the ends to fit into the post holes.
4. Fasten the legs in the holes, and check that the mounted mesh fits into the top cap, without touching it or the rda base.
5. The mesh should only be in contact with the post holes and nothing else. Form the mesh, and cut the legs so the mesh fits inside the top cap without touching it.

The mesh sheet I got is SS304, not SS316 as the mesh rolls. SS304 has a higher TCR than SS316, so it is better to use the TCR mode, and set TCR to 130-180. Start at 130 and work your way up if you don't get enough heat. Resistance should be around 0,10-0,20 ohm. With lower resistance and more metal, the max wattage must be a lot higher than the roll mesh strips. I set mine at max 60w.



When you are done setting up the mesh, set the temperature to 240-250C and pulse the fire button holding 1-2 seconds. The mesh should glow evenly without hotspots. Heat it up a few times to be sure that eventual residue are burnt away.


NB! It is very important that the mesh is NOT touching the top cap or bottom, except the post holes!


Image: The mesh roll and fitted mesh setups side by side glowing away any residue. As you can see the fitted mesh has about 50% more surface and coarser mesh.






3. Finding the correct Mod settings – TCR, max temperature and max wattage.

I will use the geekvape aegis solo settings as an example. If you have another mod, adjust it to the same settings.
For the mesh roll mesh, you can use the standard SS temperature mode. Set the initial settings to:

1. Mount the mesh RDA on the mod, check resistance.
2. Set the aegis/mod in wattage mode and set to 13-14w.
3. Remove the RDA top cap and bring the mod and RDA to a dark room.
4. When you press the fire button, the mesh should glow faintly red or dark orange in a dark room.
5. Adjust the wattage up or down until the mesh glows faintly red. This is the wattage you should aim for in temperature mode when firing. See line 11.
6. Enter Temperature mode SS or TCR on the mod.
7. Mesh Roll: Max wattage 35w, SS mode
8. Fitted mesh: Max wattage 60w, TCR mode - set TCR to 130-190.
9. Lock the resistance/ohm when the mesh is at room temperature.
10. Set the temperature to 200C
11. Push the fire button. Adjust temperature up and down until the wattage stabilises at the value found in line 5.

Since each setup is different, you might need to experiment with the temperature and if necessary the TCR to find the optimal settings. Normally somewhere between the 190-210C range should be optimal.




If you can’t get the temp settings to work properly, you can try wattage mode at 15-20w, depending of how hard you draw and the airflow. But temp control is better if you find the correct configuration. In temp mode, the temperature is constant while the wattage varies with the airflow and inhalation method. With more air cooling the mesh when inhaling, the higher wattage will be delivered in order to hold the temperature level.

4. Getting ready for hyperspace
For me, a treshold doses would be around 5-10mg, visuals at 10-15mg, hyperspace 20-30mg. Never done more than 30 with this method, and I don't see the need too. NB! Please DO NOT load 50+mg if you are used to smoke spice. This method is a lot more effective, and 50mg is a heroic dose. There is no looking back with the e-mesh so travel safe, start low and increase step by step.

For a full breakthrough dose, weigh up 20-35mg (Start with 20mg) and carefully spread it on the mesh surface , without touching the mesh. If you touch the mesh with your tool, spice will be spilled, so be careful. A dab tool is perfect for this job. Some people find it easier to load the spice and melt it in in 3 turns (Vandy vape mesh roll strips.)
When the spice are evenly spread on the mesh, set the temp to 140-150C and do some fast clicks on the fire button to melt the spice onto the mesh. You don’t want to inhale crystals!
When done, set the temperature to the correct value as found in chapter 3. (Faint red glow in a dark room)
Adjust the RDA airflow to be half open. The airflow holes should be placed so they are on line with the mesh posts/legs on both sides.
Mount the top cap, and you are ready to go.

When ready, hold the fire button and start inhaling as long as you can. Remember to hold the mod/rda vertically when vaping so the melted spice stays on the mesh until emptied. You should empty the whole dose in one hit. Hold breath for at least 20 seconds, longer if you can. A second hit shouldn’t be necessary, but if you suspect you didn’t get all in the first hit, take another.


(The wotofo profile with mesh roll strip, 30mg before and after melting of spice)


Vandyvape mesh, 25mg spice on fitted mesh, Before and after melting.

Here is a short video demonstrating 30mg vaporized in about 5 seconds on the fitted mesh:




5. Cleaning and maintenance

After you come back for landing, you should clean the mesh by holding the fire button to clear any leftovers or residue on the mesh. The mesh will last for many rounds of vaping and is cheap and easy to replace when needed.
Spice can be spilled into the RDA bottom. This should be easy to gather by holding the RDA upside down and scrape off the leftovers.
If you need to clean the RDA, just use plain water, or vinegar + water.

Safe travels 🖖
 

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#2 Posted : 11/27/2019 10:44:03 PM

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Propello, great write up! I moved my thread into this one to keep the data together. (combined into this post).
For the readers, note that some info is now double.

Description:
Mesh RDA atomizers (connectable to e-sig modboxes) originally used for dripping e-juice are one of the best methods to vape DMT. Advantages: no learning curve, one hit break through, very consistent, perfect vaporization, near tasteless, no dmt smell. The downside is you need some basic e-cigarette understanding, but this is quickly learned.

I personally call it "The Shanti Vape" (Aum_Shanti e-Mesh Vape)

Aum_Shanti's original posts:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...amp;m=894290#post894290
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...amp;m=907725#post907725
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...amp;m=974071#post974071
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...amp;m=980911#post980911

Equipment:
- 75W (or higher) sub-ohm capable Modbox of choice with TC (temperature control)
- 18650 battery
- VandyVape Mesh RDA, or an imitation
- VandyVape SS316L 0.9ohm/ft 150 mesh roll, or preferably a SS 100 micron filter sheet (from here or here)
- long glass drip tip. For the VV you can either buy a 510 or 810 drip tip as the RDA includes a cross-over (ebay)

A modbox with a good TC algorithm giving a stable temperature is a must. A poor TC modbox will pulse the temperature, raising and dropping it. It needs to stay constant. The Geek Vape Box Aegis Solo 100W modbx is reported to have excellent TC. You can use a VandyVape SS316L mesh roll, but buying a 100 micron filter sheet is better. The thicker wires help vape the DMT faster and you can cut it wider so there is less DMT spilling on your RDA while loading spice. A drip tip lengthens the distance to the mesh, cooling the vapor. Don't use any e-juice or cotton wicks.

Device settings:
- temperature control mode @ 190-210°C
- manual TCR 090-110 with 35W limit for SS316 mesh, or TCR 140-150 with 60W limit for SS304 mesh

If you already own a modbox with TC use the manual TCR setting. If this option is not available try the SS (stainless steel) preset. In this preset the TCR is preconfigured by the modbox manufacturer. You might need to adjust temp as this can variate. If your modbox doesn't have TC, or if the TC mode doesn't work well (large temp fluctuation pulses, not steady) try Wattage mode at around 22W. For Wattage mode use inhalation speed to control temp. If the vapor becomes too dense inhale faster to cool the air more. If you are not sure what settings to use, check that the mesh glows dimly red in a dark room, that's the correct temp you need.

Below is the reference data to check that your modbox displays the correct mesh resistance. The 4cm lengths are for vertical loading, 7cm for horizontal. Should be measured after the coating is burned off at high temp. If the mesh resistance measurement by your modbox is wrong, the displayed temperature will be wrong.

4cm long (Propello tek dimensions) SS304 100 mesh: 0.15 (0.10-0.20) Ω
4cm long VanyVape mesh role (13 mm wide) SS316 150 mesh: 0.25 Ω
7cm long VanyVape mesh role (13 mm wide) SS316 150 mesh: 0.45 Ω

Preparation:
- cut the bottom sides of the mesh wire to fit in the RDA holes
- burn the mesh coating clean prior use at 250°C, it should give off smoke
- check the mesh resistance (see above), if correct lock it at room temp

Usage:
- load the spice on the mesh, don't go over 30mg as this device is very efficient
- carefully pulse to melt it in (lower temp)
- place the cap on the RDA and open the air holes around 30%
- set vape temp, press fire and inhale
- you should get everything in within 10 sec, if not keep inhaling
- hold your breath for 20 seconds

The VV mesh spool is a bit narrow, but can be used for testing purposes. Instead of loading 30mg at ones, you can load 10mg, melt in and repeat 2 more times. It works, but takes effort and care not to spill on the RDA. When you are happy with the device you should preferably buy a 100 mesh screen and either cut it wide to load spice vertically, or cut it long to load spice horizontally. For the last option you need to build a custom RDA top.

Aum_Shanti style long mesh RDA upgrade:
I cut my mesh 7cm long making the original VV RDA cap not fit anymore. To build a new cap I used a 7cm a steel cylinder with 22 mm outer diameter. It slides inside the bottom VV RDA part. I used the o-ring which came with the vandyvape kit to close of the air. I created two air gaps. Turning the rod adjusts the opening amount just as with the original cap. I used a short PVC pipe as mouth piece. The air is closed with some layers of teflon tape. Inserting the 7cm mesh it sticks out around 2.7 cm. I will be loading spice horizontally as Aum originally mentioned.
some one attached the following image(s):
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2.JPG (43kb) downloaded 2,150 time(s).
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#3 Posted : 11/27/2019 11:16:39 PM

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Thanks mate. Let me know if there is anything wrong or forgotten.

I have linked your thread here, and in the first post in the long thread.
 
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#4 Posted : 11/28/2019 1:03:18 AM

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I moved my thread into this topic (post above).
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#5 Posted : 11/28/2019 2:26:59 PM

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Some quotes of people's first e-mesh reactions from the main discussion post:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...spx?g=posts&t=87004

Aum_Shanti wrote:
Since I switched to direct e-mesh vaping, I never looked back again at all other teks I tried before. Basically for any substance.


Propello wrote:
Best i have tried so far, matches the vaporgenie.


mycowong wrote:
I'm pretty sure you can breakthrough with about 15-25mg in this thing. I use it on wattage mode at 45w. I usually heat It up to 50% then hit it near the end of the draw to get the most concentrated hit. Then I hold until I need another breath. Then break through lol every time.


enlightenedvoyager wrote:
Oh my! This thing is insanely effective Surprised The build was extremely easy so once I’d got a flat shelf for the molecule to sit I added 15mg ( tester dose ). I set temp control to 210 ( I tried 180 first but heat up was a little slow ) and 25w with air flow half open. Couple of clicks to melt the magick into the mesh. Cap back on n cleared it all easily with 1 draw. No taste, no smell. Held forever lol so minimal vapour on the exhale but more than normal at this low a dose using other devices. Pretty much instantly the room turns into fractals and I start to laugh at my dog who now has an Aztec type head Laughing Obviously no breakthrough at this dose but honestly, I’ve done many low ‘tester’ doses with new devices n this is the strongest 15mg yet. I can see 30mg being a 1 hit breakthrough for sure. It’s gonna be so easy to clear 30mg and more with this method as it’s like smoking air. Amazing! Thank you so much to aum_shanti for bringing this method to light and thank you for testing the method and for helping me out Thumbs up

I checked the mesh afterwards n it was totally clean. Like nothing had been on it. It also hasn’t made my new RDA smell which is pretty amazing as we all know how this stuff stinks up most devices.

I’ve just thrown out my Yocan and the machine will be no more. Can’t wait to try a breakthrough dose with this beast! More than happy!

Happy travels folks Big grin


enlightenedvoyager wrote:
30mg tested Friday Shocked Absolutely mind blowing! I’m still processing it all now ( trying not to forget it ). Full breakthrough into totally awe, beauty and love. I was being shown the workings of another dimension and the beauty of it was beyond what I can put into words. I came-to with my jaw on the floor with dribble down my chin ( very glamorous ) Laughing All I kept saying was ‘wow, yes, yes, wow, omg wow lol.

I can’t even remember going through the jester tunnel or waiting room. I cleared the 30mg in one hit n held it in that long I couldn’t remember blowing it back out n then within an instant I was there n it was just full of love and beauty. I didn’t even get the high pitched reality tearing apart sound. It was that quick. Instant breakthrough!

This method is genius Thumbs up I went for 220 temp n 30w this time n that’s what I’m gonna stick with, I reckon. I used a new mesh n I must admit I did struggle a little getting the whole 30mg onto it. What I did in the end was added half the 30mg, melted that n then added the other half n melted that. It worked a treat but I often did this when loading my machine.

This method is definitely on par with a dab rig with quartz banger but soooo much better as no glassware to break n no torch lighter to deal with when your reality is being ripped apart. Never used a gvg so can’t comment but this is my go-to method from now on Surprised

Mesh was totally clean again after use n still my rda doesn’t smell. Nice Thumbs up


Crispycat wrote:
ok geared up after reading your ideas, and got to say wow!
15mg white spice on a wotofo profile with vandy vape ss316l 400 mesh 43ohm/ft on a smoant naboo mod

before even exhaling the CEV start changing from moving geometric patterns into moving 2d creatures! alot like the dragon in this music video:
"Fever The Ghost - SOURCE"

thought it would be a lot milder as this stage has taken me 20 to 25 mg to get to previously with yocan evolve plus and green Buddha methods! im sure a little more on the mesh would of pulled me into that 3d tunnel which i would not of been prepared for Big grin

spices instantly vaporise with one touch of the fire pin at 120c/250f no burn no mess barely any taste just pure wow!Thumbs up


enlightenedvoyager wrote:
You’re gonna love it Big grin My VV mesh RDA is the best bit of kit I’ve bought, ever Laughing So easy to clear all in one hit too Thumbs up I use the same mesh. Works a treat!


some one wrote:
So, I just used the device. I aimed for a small test dose of around 20mg. Used 200c and 35w. Got all in within 10 seconds.

WOW! OMG! So easy. No taste. One hit. So strong for 20mg! Total awe. I'm trashing all my other devices. dmt-nexus, delete all smoking forums, we found the holy grail!
Big grin


Broccoli555 wrote:
Let me just start off by thanking everyone in this thread and forum for sharing the knowledge of this wonderful molecule and the easiest way to utilize it.

Took all in one 5 to 7 sec hit. Immediate body effects and about 5 sec I was off into another land. No burnt spice, mesh was clean. Smooth vapor, no harsh hit or throat burn. And no fiddling around with the fire button just inhale and fire.

From my limited use of different teks, the e-mesh method easily beats out the yocan Magento in every aspect of use except for set up process.

Thank you all again for sharing this wonderful method.


sbc1 wrote:
just tried 5mg to test the waters and it nearly blew my head off, wasn't expecting that off 5mg, could do with a bigger surface area than the vandy ss mesh, other than that its awesome


mattw1994 wrote:
Tried this method for the first time after receiving my drip tip. Put in about 33 mg and broke through and I didn't even finish it. This is my new favorite method because you only need 1 hit to blast off and it is so smooth.


Lindsay2260 wrote:
Wow. Just wow. 35W, 190°c - lift off. Thanks 🍺

(Voopoo drag 2 mini, 810 pyrex driptip, vandy vape rda, SS316L)


skoobysnax wrote:
Finally tested 20 mg just to see if my settings were good.

cleared quickly in one inhale. Not harsh but could maybe drop 5C and see if it is smoother. The Aegis is aa win. Leaves my eleaf Pico as a chargerLaughing
Thx everyone for the hand up! So amazing!


Teamleary wrote:
Just "woaw"!

I wasn't expecting such a blast. Crazy. Beautiful and unexpected sub-bt!

THANK YOU ALL! Especially Some One and Propello! It is the easiest way!
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#6 Posted : 11/28/2019 4:39:31 PM

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This ought to be stickied. Very impressed with the work you guys have put into the development of this roa. I admire your devotion.
olympus mon wrote:
You need to hit it with intention to get where you want to be!

"We have arrived at truth, and now we find truth is a mystery- a play of joy, creation, and energy. This is source. This is the mystic touchstone that heals and renews. This is the beginning again. This is entheogenic." -Nicholas Sand
 
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#7 Posted : 11/28/2019 10:52:10 PM

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Thumbs up
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#8 Posted : 11/29/2019 12:21:52 AM

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I an so grateful to have found this site, and I have learned so much from this forum, so wish to give something back to the society, and hope this tek can be of some help to others.

Thanks for the kind words Tony 🖖
 
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#9 Posted : 11/30/2019 11:34:50 AM

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Propello wrote:
I an so grateful to have found this site, and I have learned so much from this forum, so wish to give something back to the society, and hope this tek can be of some help to others.

Thanks for the kind words Tony 🖖


I totally feel you, brother! I hope some day, I can give back!

Thank you again!
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#10 Posted : 12/10/2019 2:10:26 PM

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Tony6Strings wrote:
This ought to be stickied. Very impressed with the work you guys have put into the development of this roa. I admire your devotion.

I second that
Marijuana, LSD, psilocybin, and DMT they all changed the way I see
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#11 Posted : 12/10/2019 3:20:29 PM

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Thanks for the feedback Teamleary & Skooby. Let me know if there's any typos or crappy language. English is not my native language Smile
 
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#12 Posted : 12/10/2019 9:11:19 PM

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Thanks Propello and all involved in sharing and developing this method.
Great effort all round, and agreed this defo deserves a sticky.
 
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#13 Posted : 12/13/2019 7:13:26 PM

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Thx Jega Thumbs up

I have BTW edited a whole lot, especially chapter 3. Hope this will make it easier for the society.
 
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#14 Posted : 12/15/2019 11:26:38 PM

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Great job!
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#15 Posted : 12/16/2019 10:53:15 AM

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This is fucking great work guys :-D
Steffen335's build could maybe be added for a great addition to the different setups thus far. His see-through solution with the glass connector is excellent.
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...mp;m=1029299#post1029299
 
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#16 Posted : 12/16/2019 1:50:41 PM

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It's a great tool, deserves the attention Smile

After a failed nebulizer experiment I am all-in on e-mesh vaping!

Steffen335 can't post here yet. I quoted his info and attached his pictures in case they disappear from imgur.

Steffen335 wrote:
Parts

Standard stuff:

1) a mod (I’m using Vaporesso Gen),
2) Wotofo Profile RDA (the bottom part),
3) VandyVape SS316L 150 mesh,

Innovation:

4) GlassCo ISO 29/32 joint tube (002.202.07) @ http://glasscolabs.com/p...cone-unprinted-din-iso/
5) two O-rings (thickness: 1.5 mm, inner diameter: 18 mm - these are ideal - buy more!)

Optionally:

6) GlassCo 29/32->19/26 adapter (014.202.04) for a 19 mm water filter (there's also one for 14 mm available) @ http://glasscolabs.com/product/expansion-adapter/
7) a water filter/bubbler/whatnot

Setup

You need to drill a single Ø 5 mm hole, starting ↔ 10 mm from the tube edge (see the photo). This configuration works best, IMO.

Notes

I suggest buying a few more tubes, just in case, because glass is hard to drill in. I had it drilled by a local glazier for around $2.50. Be persistent, because at first my guy said it's impossible, but then was able to drill all 4 holes I commissioned just fine. This lab glass is probably sturdier than he expected.

Thanks to using glass, everything inside is visible to the sitter, so they know precisely when to take the device out of your hands. I prefer to set the temperature to 240°C (in TC mode), to have everything vaporized in a single 2-3 second toke.

The connection between glass and RDA using those bigger O-rings feels very tight, sturdy, it doesn't wobble at all. I was surprised, it's like a single piece.

Also, a fun quirk is that this particular hole configuration (Ø 5 mm, ↔ 10 mm) whistles audibly, hah.


Steffen335 wrote:
It's just one hole. I tried drilling two holes in my first tube, but then the airflow was too big. It felt weird, I had to seal it. On the other hand, a single Ø 5 mm feels great. (Notice that you're constantly sucking the air out of that tube, so it goes up anyway - it does not hit the glass walls and crystallize, as my first intuition was.)

You need to hold it horizontally when loading - yes. I got that idea from previous posts here - I think from "some one"?

I have never used more than 30 mg so far, so I can melt the crystals into that long mesh (on TC @ 100°C - minimal setting on my device) in a rather thin layer. Then you can hold the vape however you want - even upside down as in that last picture with the water filter. It works, and doesn't spill the hot crystals. Smile I think it's because the melted layer is quite thin - it vaporizes pretty much instantly.

My favorite way is to lay down under a blanket, and vaporize horizontally (or even slightly upside down), without water filtration.

Indeed, I would never use a bong/water filter without a sitter, hah! But even then, it's just distilled water on your bed, so maybe some people will find it plausible.

But sure, I'll post a picture with 25 mg melted into it for reference, in a few days - I used it today and have to integrate the experience first. Razz

I'm sure horizontal mesh will work as well! I just wanted to have large surface area, so that it vapes instantly (30 mg in less than 3 seconds), and can be held upside down (for my water filter).


Steffen335 wrote:
I'm using manual TCR, to be able to limit wattage to 60 W. But still using the same TCR value as SS316L preset, i.e. 110.

I'm using a higher temp, because I found that the mesh doesn't glow red in a dark room on 200-220°, and it takes a lot more time to vaporize 25 mg using this temperature range. It does glow on 240°.

The smoke is a bit harsher than vaporized cannabis, I'm not a smoker and sometimes want to cough, but it's manageable not to. I'll try a few more sodium carbonate washes, and re-crystallizations, and report back.

Water filter is completely optional, the vapor is just fine without it. I'll do a comparison (water vs no water), after cleaning up the spice some more.


Steffen335 wrote:
Thanks for the input. I'll try with lower temperature soon, then.


Steffen335 wrote:
You can order [the glassware] directly from GlassCo, but at least 10 pieces... I used a local reseller. Maybe google "lab glassware shops" in your country, I'm sure someone will be selling GlassCo glass. Smile

If not, choose some other tube that matches your RDA, and then match appropriate o-rings. But this combination I posted works great. Smile

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#17 Posted : 12/28/2019 10:25:19 PM

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Great info here!

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#18 Posted : 1/23/2020 2:43:32 PM

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I have zero experience with these vaping mods, and found this discussion very informative. Thanks to everyone who took the time to share such great information!

I do have one question: can mods like the Aegis Solo also be used for vaping cannabis (separate from the spice, of course)? I'm a little hesitant to spend nearly $100 on a vape setup for spice that I would only use on occasion. However, if these setups could do double-duty as cannabis vaporizers it would help justify spending the money on the premium components. Thanks for any input.
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#19 Posted : 1/24/2020 8:13:26 AM

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There is plenty dry herbs and wax atomizers available.
E-nails with rig glass attachments are also available for home vaping.
I haven't tried dry herbs on these atomizers
, but they are super with oil/wax.

The setup for e mesh shouldn't cost you more than 50-60 usd

https://vaping360.com/be...nks/dry-herb-atomizers/

https://m.dhgate.com/pro...l-wax-dry/407244656.html
 
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Thank you Propello for the information. I figured these rigs would work well with cannabis oil/wax, but I didn't realize that they made the accessories you linked to. Thumbs up

When I search the web for vape mods and other accessories, I see dozens of online retailers that I have no knowledge of. I am no stranger to ordering items online, but not knowing anything about these companies make me a little nervous. Can anyone recommend their favorite go-to online vape retailers (in the USA)? Thanks again for helping me explore this exciting ROA.
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