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#381 Posted : 12/18/2019 9:59:04 AM

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Just to be sure: you set a 60W limit on TC and the average wattage stays between 50-60W, correct?
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#382 Posted : 12/18/2019 10:13:47 AM

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Yes, with the fitted mesh. Average at about 50w.
In wattage mode, 14w, 0.15 ohm, 1.68V
 
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#383 Posted : 12/18/2019 11:00:49 AM

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Great. Let's experiment with Wattage mode. I would suggest to start 10% lower than the average Wattage's while breathing in TC. Then tweak power to find the optimal power setting which fits your breathing speed.

I will try 31W on the 8cm long VV 150 mesh soon.
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#384 Posted : 12/18/2019 12:15:28 PM

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30w with which mesh? The 8cm would probably work, but the 4cm mesh roll strip would glow pretty bright at 30w and around 0,25 ohm.
The fitted mesh starts at 30w in temp mode, so 30w should be good with a resistance between 0,10-0,15 ohm
 
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#385 Posted : 12/18/2019 2:17:10 PM

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The 8cm would probably work, but the 4cm mesh roll strip would glow pretty bright at 30w and around 0,25 ohm.

Yes 31W in Wattage mode only for the 8cm long VV 150 mesh:

some one wrote:
@210c:

4cm long 15mm wide [Propello's 'fitted mesh'] SS304/SS316 100 mesh:
0.15Ω. 10.5W without breathing. 50W with breathing.

4cm long 13mm wide VanyVape mesh role SS316 150 mesh:
0.25Ω. 9.5W without breathing. 25W with breathing.

8cm long 13mm wide VanyVape mesh role SS316 150 mesh:
0.45Ω. 13W without breathing. 35W with breathing.

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The fitted mesh starts at 30w in temp mode, so 30w should be good with a resistance between 0,10-0,15 ohm

Sounds like a plan. Looking forwards to hear about the result Smile

PS. If you check the ratio of the 8cm to the 4cm 150 mesh, both the ohm and W go up roughly factor 1.6x. Not sure if this is sufficient data to conclude anything. The W of your 100 mesh doesn't follow the ratio it seems, could be due to 100 vs 150 mesh, or your breath in much faster.
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#386 Posted : 12/18/2019 3:05:05 PM

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I could do a test in wattage mode at 30w. But I still prefer TC, and would consider wattage not optimal for my use, just saying.
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#387 Posted : 12/18/2019 3:51:36 PM

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Thanks for the effort Propello Thumbs up

For anyone owning an Aegis like yourself (and myself now), TC is definitely preferred. We are doing this for all the folks who don't have TC or have poor TC control. If 30W is too low for you, try one more time with 45W. Or maybe you will need to do an additional 10sec inhalation. Really looking forward to the results.

As soon as I make some spice, I will test the 8cm long VV 150 mesh.

After this experiment I think we have all the data we need. Thanks again for all your input for this vape route!
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#388 Posted : 12/18/2019 5:11:40 PM

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Yesterday i ditched the VV SS316 and used the fitted mesh cut from the sheet (the100mesh from the link) with the aegis solo tcr mode 128, 60W at 195C and it was perfect. Easier to load. Nothing left on the screen. No drips. Perfect. One note is the heat. I have a longer drip tip than the original VV but just ordered a crook necked pyrex tip which should do the trick.
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#389 Posted : 12/18/2019 5:59:05 PM

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skoobysnax wrote:
Yesterday i ditched the VV SS316 and used the fitted mesh cut from the sheet (the100mesh from the link) with the aegis solo tcr mode 128, 60W at 195C and it was perfect. Easier to load. Nothing left on the screen. No drips. Perfect. One note is the heat. I have a longer drip tip than the original VV but just ordered a crook necked pyrex tip which should do the trick.


I have used a 1cm long drip tip, works a lot better than the original one, which is only 3mm tall. It cools down the vape quite a bit. I also have a longer angled drip in pyrex which I just got, and love it. Glad to hear you had success with the fitted mesh Skooby Smile

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#390 Posted : 12/18/2019 8:01:42 PM

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Good stuff skoobysnax! Thumbs up Thumbs up

I found a local hardware store downtown selling SS 100 mesh sieves for less than 10 USD and just got me a piece. Can't wait to try with the Aegis.
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#391 Posted : 12/19/2019 9:48:30 PM

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Thanks Propello. Wish I had known earlier, but already got 300mesh... so I will give it a try and see how it turns out.

Propello wrote:
sbios wrote:
Hi, I'm currently trying out additional builds. I've noticed the mesh type ranges from 100 ~ 316 mesh in the thread. I was assuming the higher mesh, say 300mesh (means smaller gaps in the mesh) will be less likely drip any liquified. Can anyone comment on what differences between say 100mesh to 300mesh in terms of the effects?



Hi Sbios!

SS316 is the metal standard - the type of steel classification, not microns.
The problem with the finer mesh like 300 and 400 microns, is that it is so thin, which makes it difficult to load without spilling spice. The coarser mesh has bigger holes but is also a lot thicker and more stable/rigid. The spice will still cling to 150 & 100 microns without the spice sliding through the mesh when melted. I haven't experienced any residue below the mesh on either mesh size.

I wouldn't do any finer than 150 microns. 100 microns is my preferred choice.

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#392 Posted : 12/21/2019 8:58:53 PM
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I have been having a couple mislaunches that last couple times I have been using my emesh. It could be possible that I have been drinking a lot before causing me to not make it to hyperspace. I loaded 33 mg and 35 mg and failed breakthrough for both. Both times I was pretty drunk and was not able to finish the hit and there was still spice left on mesh. I think I need to make sure I can get that second hit which is difficult to ensure I breakthrough. Still like this method better than anything else but I think it can be difficult to get that second hit in to ensure the breakthrough
 
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#393 Posted : 12/22/2019 3:42:49 AM

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There are many reports of "break-throughts denials" and just as many advises to stop using for a while, or using with a better intention "because DMT thinks so and is forbidding you to pass".

I do believe that there is more to these substances than just a neurological effect which makes you high. Besides the whole alternative reality thing, it feels like there is some sort of "intelligence" involved. Less noticeable when you smoke DMT a couple of times, more when you partake in the oral route. Most experienced ayahuasca drinkers can tell you this. Not scientific double blind study proof (we don't have the tools and brain capacity to measure everything yet). But an interesting empirical / anecdotal observation nonetheless. Given the amount of people experiencing the same, certainly not one to be disregarded. Indeed you could argue that this experience is an illusion and that it's just a deeper part of yourself, your own subconscious. But then again, you could end all conversations by saying "all is maya, we are one, everything is sub atomic star dust vibrations". Such remarks however have little value from the perspective of our state of being.

To me the intelligence feels external, as if it's based on information from a different "collective consciousness" pool than the human one. Or, as if the substances change our "frequency" making us tap into an other "knowledge source". Just two of many theories about something our current mind can never grasp. What matters is not "why" the intelligence is there, or "what" it is, but that it's present. Something which cannot be explained can still exist. Most people triggered by neural network mechanisms evolutionary evolved for clan forming purposes which output religion and conservative bias (present for survival technical reasons), have trouble accepting the last sentence - but that's another story.

Although these substances can be fun to use, to many DMT, psilocybin, etc are not recreational drugs. You can try use them as such, but when you do the chances are that their intelligence will steer your away from doing so. The chance also exist, that after you are guided into the path of self/cultural-improvement, your ego retaliates by making you feel "super special", adding a "serious mindset" (tired of my quotations yet?) to the whole endeavor. That's just a stage and again an other story. The point now is that you gotta ask yourself, what's your intention to smoke spice after getting drunk? You've posted doing so multiple times.
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#394 Posted : 12/23/2019 10:34:41 AM

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Just learned from a guy that the Motar glass top fits on the Wotofo profile RDA. I have a Vandy Vape v1 which the Motar top doesn't fit on. Both the VVv1 and the Wotofo are listed as 24 mm but the VVv1 has a wider base.

Also I couldn't find any mesh RDA's wider than 24 mm. But there are many RDA's that are much wider. If one of them would be easy to build a mesh onto (I'm not experienced with RDA's) one could have a much bigger mesh area. Any ideas on this?
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#395 Posted : 12/23/2019 10:38:48 AM

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Here's for a mouthpiece extension.. It's the Motar top on the Vandy Vape v1 so it's hold together as it doesn't fit.
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#396 Posted : 12/23/2019 10:52:29 AM

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mattw1994 wrote:
I have been having a couple mislaunches that last couple times I have been using my emesh. It could be possible that I have been drinking a lot before causing me to not make it to hyperspace. I loaded 33 mg and 35 mg and failed breakthrough for both. Both times I was pretty drunk and was not able to finish the hit and there was still spice left on mesh. I think I need to make sure I can get that second hit which is difficult to ensure I breakthrough. Still like this method better than anything else but I think it can be difficult to get that second hit in to ensure the breakthrough


I second Some One here. Alcohol and spice is not a good combo.
 
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#397 Posted : 12/23/2019 10:54:40 AM

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Thanks for the tip zikzak! Perhaps I can use my motar to something useful at last Smile
 
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#398 Posted : 12/23/2019 11:05:46 AM

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Yeah right Propello ;-)

Alcohol might do the trick for some but definitely also a chance to fuck up the experience. However it's definitely possible to mix it up with DMT. I've had some AMAZING experiences with a lower dose of a dissociative before taking off. Pre flight anxiety calms down and the wider headspace caused by the disso make way for a potentially even greater experience IME. But maybe we should save this discussion for another thread and focus on gear here? ;-)
 
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#400 Posted : 12/23/2019 1:48:05 PM

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zikzak wrote:
Yeah right Propello ;-)

Alcohol might do the trick for some but definitely also a chance to fuck up the experience. However it's definitely possible to mix it up with DMT. I've had some AMAZING experiences with a lower dose of a dissociative before taking off. Pre flight anxiety calms down and the wider headspace caused by the disso make way for a potentially even greater experience IME. But maybe we should save this discussion for another thread and focus on gear here? ;-)


You are right, each person must find his/her own way to the use of deems. Let's focus on the gear. And happy xmas everyone Very happy
 
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