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My 5-MeO-DMT Experience: Pure Horror Options
 
Olson
#1 Posted : 12/6/2009 9:28:55 PM

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Below is posted my first true experience with 5-MeO-DMT, and my only one with a DMT compound. It was terrible, yes, but it did little to lessen my desire to explore the tryptamines. What it did push me to do is center myself mentally and spiritually- to try to learn what it means to be at peace in my mind, and how that feeling should be applied to my trips.


Before last night, I had taken 5-MeO-DMT once before: 10mg through a glass pipe. The experience was remarkable; I was overwhelmed by the intensity of the sensation. But that was the extent of the trip - an unbelievably intense physical feeling. For the ten minutes it lasted, my mind was clear and I was unafraid. After the comedown and a good 15 minutes of speechlessness to gather my thoughts, I felt fine enough to think about the implications of the drug. I decided 1. It was my most intense drug experience to date (I have felt ego death, disappeared into the timeless nitrous void during the peak of an MAOI potentiated psilocybin trip, and surfed upon seas of fractals on acid, so it's saying something) 2. It was neither positive, nor negative 3. I could not recommend it, but would not tell someone to stay away from it either.

I watched five friends have nearly identical experiences, so I began to get a feel for the drug. Flash forward a few weeks to last night - my friend and fellow psychonaut K is taking a 10mg dose. We've procured an empty room with a large bed. He was using a small glass pipe, as we had been for most previous doses. I left him in the room for around 15 minutes before checking in on him. He was sorry to report that his trip was like his others - not particularly intense and somewhat uncomfortable. I decided that I needed to try it a second time.

We concluded that a different smoking method was needed, so I borrowed a friend's 24' glass bong. I also changed into more comfortable clothes, and gathered my sleep mask, closed-ear headphones, and iPod. K measured out 18mg on his digital scale, and we packed the bowl using some ash from some previously smoked weed. I queued Stars of the Lid on the iPod, put the headphones on, and put the sleep mask on my forehead so I could easily flip it down over my eyes. K and my other friend W, whose room I was in, left me alone at my request.

In the past months, as I began probing further into the psychedelic experience, I have been wondering how to prepare myself mentally for a spiritual trip. It has yet to become clear to me. Last night, as I sat on the bed, lighter in hand and bowl ready, I dismissed my lack of mental focus with my normal 'I'll be fine' rationale. I was totally wrong.

I've heard the 5-MeO-DMT comeup compared to being shot out of a cannon. My first trip was like that - a nearly instantaneous and overwhelmingly intense wave of bizarre body feeling. This time, after I slowly worked the flame of the lighter above the bowl to vaporize the crystals, and then ripped it to burn everything else, I felt something quite different. I realized as I inhaled that I was getting a massive hit. My lungs burned as I tried to remember what to do. I could feel it coming. I set down the bong and lighter, and reached to pull down the sleep mask as I laid back. Nothing could have ever prepared me for what was about to happen.

After my first 5-MeO trip I said that trying to prepare for the comeup is like trying to prepare to get hit by a bus - it doesn't matter what you do, you're going to be knocked on your ass. I didn't know how right I was. It hit me as I exhaled. I have no idea how much smoke came out of my lungs because I was in another dimension. The only thing I can compare it to is Nitrous. I love nitrous - love the intensity, the euphoria, the endless void of darkness and frequency the world becomes on it. If you know the first few seconds after you exhale nitrous, the first 3 or so seconds of 5-MeO-DMT were similar. But, unlike nitrous, the rapid acceleration of intensity didn't stop. I wasn't shot out of a cannon, I was dropped out of an airplane.

I fell into what I can best describe as pure intensity. There was no self, nothing to separate me from the sensation. It was overwhelming, unstoppable, uncontrollable, and after the first few moments, horrifying. I could only tell time by varying levels in the amount of suffering I was enduring. I had no thought, no intention other than that what was happening needed to stop. The fear grew and intensified just as the original feeling had. Have you ever been on a rollercoaster, and right as you reach the peak before the giant drop, felt that terror and regret, that 'I want off this ride now' feeling? This was akin to that, but I felt it as much as a human being could possibly feel it. All I could feel was fear. I was essentially reduced to an animal in pain - I was operating on pure instinct within the void. I couldn't see or hear.

I can't say how long it felt like I was falling, things were too intense for me to grasp what was happening. I eventually came down enough to see. My vision was reduced to a very blurry, very simple haze of meaningless objects. It didn't make much difference at that point.

I started to try to make sense of what was going on, and instead of the pure feeling I had before, I began to detect other, more specific feelings. I was being stretched and pulled through some kind of fractalline black hole, twisting and contorting into its shape. In a bout of sheer terror, I realized that my lower jaw was twisting in on itself, rolling up like a carpet into my skull. The rest of my body was following suit, legs through abdomen, into a spiral. I was coherent enough at this point to think 'this is not happening to me.' I could still detect that my tongue was in my mouth, so I knew it wasn't flowing into my throat like I felt it was. If I had been slightly less conscious of the fact that I was on a drug, and that I was hallucinating, I think I would have endured far greater horror at what was happening to me. It was still torture.

Things came down further. Both K and W were sitting on the edges of the bed, attempting to speak to me perhaps. Compared to any mushroom or acid trip I had experienced, I was still tripping harder than I ever had in my life. Objects jerked into focus, and back again, as if I was watching a flip book comic or low FPS film. My hands and head revolved along spiraled grooves of gravity. I became far more clear headed.

Over the next 3-4 hours I tried my best to calm down and consider my experience, and listened with shock as my friends told me what happened. Shortly after I went into the room, they heard violent and terrified screaming. I was crying for help, screaming in agony for it to stop. I do not recall this in the slightest. They watched helplessly for ten minutes as I convulsed and contorted on the bed, spasming, whimpering, and eating food that wasn't there. At one point a smile crossed my face. I couldn't see or hear them as they tried to help me. As I came down, it took some time for me to recognize them as human, and then as my friends.

I tripped hard for two hours after the initial experience, and was still tripping intensely when I went to bed four hours later. I found my hands moving in spiral patterns, and could still feel the jolts of energy moving from arm to arm. As I type this now, I can still sense the bizarre tactile effect the 5-MeO-DMT has. I dosed over 14 hours ago.

I've heard that 5-MeO-DMT has polarizing effects - some love it and some hate it. I can't say in my experience if this is true. My best explanation for what happened to me could be that my lack of mental/spiritual preparation, compounded with anxiety about a test the next day, resulted in an infinitely magnified feeling of pure panic and fear. I feel like I have to revisit the drug. If the earlier statement is true, and some people are just affected negatively by it, I suppose I am doomed to another traumatic episode. But I feel a need to conquer it - a need to know what happened. I'm going to need help with the mental problems I have. I don't know where to begin.

I want people to be aware of what this drug is capable of. Read trip reports - there are people who have anxiety attacks every time they think of their 5-MeO-DMT trip, people who can't touch psychedelics for months or even ever again without feeling that fear. K read James Oroc's Tryptamine Palace. The author spends the majority of the book singing the praises of 5-MeO-DMT, describing the positive spiritual effects of the drug. I don't doubt his story, but the impression he gives is that 5-MeO is a powerful and uplifting tryptamine. I'm here to give an account of its dark side. I thought that as an experienced psychedelic user I could handle whatever came my way. I was wrong. Please think heavily about the implications of using this drug.
 

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#2 Posted : 12/6/2009 9:32:47 PM

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Smoking is the worst way to experience 5-MeO-DMT. SWIM hates it that way but loves sublingual 5-MeO-DMT, which is nearly as nice as LSD for SWIM. They are totally different experiences. Smoked 5-MeO-DMT is not enjoyable at all, unless the dose is extremely small. Sublingual 5-MeO-DMT is a 5 star experience in SWIM’s opinion.
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#3 Posted : 12/6/2009 9:35:06 PM

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69ron wrote:
Smoking is the worst way to experience 5-MeO-DMT. SWIM hates it that way but loves sublingual 5-MeO-DMT, which is nearly as nice as LSD for SWIM. They are totally different experiences. Smoked 5-MeO-DMT is not enjoyable at all, unless the dose is extremely small. Sublingual 5-MeO-DMT is a 5 star experience in SWIM’s opinion.


How do you deal with the chemical burn?
 
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#4 Posted : 12/6/2009 10:56:35 PM
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5-MeO-DMT is by far the freakiest psychedelic there is.
If you would take a massive amount of any other psychedelic so that you totally freak out, you'd still have it all toghether perfectly, compared to what a 5-MeO-DMT trip can do.

It temporarily disconnects you from yourself.

My most intense experience with it was in an ayahuasca brew with 20 grams of chaliponga.
In ayahuasca (with harmala's)it is different then when you take it without harmala's, but it's freaky character is still very present.

I didn't know if i was dead or alive anymore for i don't know how long.

It was a very rewarding experience after all, also because i had very meaningfull visions that tought me a lot about myself.
Visions on chaliponga-ayahuasca are extremely tangible.

But you went even further and took 18mg of the stuff and smoked it.

I can only imagine the horror you went through.

1-I would recommend not to let what happened scare you away from psychedelics.
The best way to overcome this experience is to take the same substance again, in a more moderate amount and to confront your fears. If you manage to convince yourself that nothing bad will happen and that you know this because you've been there before, you will beat your fears at some point and you will gain a new level of confidence and freedom.
2-No matter what you decide to do, you will overcome this experience and all the horror. You will fully recover from it anyway.

As traumatic and hurting this experience is, the positive and empowering it will be to beat this and to rise up above it.

You can chew chaliponga leaves for 5-MeO-DMT effects, you can take it orally without MAOI's and you can take it orally with MAOI's.
People tend to react differently on it, so i would start with 5 grams of chaliponga and see what that does.
 
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#5 Posted : 12/6/2009 11:42:44 PM

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Wow Olson. Incredibly well written and described report. In some ways it sounded similar to a very heavy Salvia trip, only clearly much, much more terrifying.

Welcome back and thank you for sharing. I have some resin that I've been sitting on to do a freebase and then smoke it. Perhaps I will take it sublingually instead.

Peace!
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69ron
#6 Posted : 12/7/2009 1:04:51 AM

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Olson wrote:
69ron wrote:
Smoking is the worst way to experience 5-MeO-DMT. SWIM hates it that way but loves sublingual 5-MeO-DMT, which is nearly as nice as LSD for SWIM. They are totally different experiences. Smoked 5-MeO-DMT is not enjoyable at all, unless the dose is extremely small. Sublingual 5-MeO-DMT is a 5 star experience in SWIM’s opinion.


How do you deal with the chemical burn?


5-MeO-DMT fumarate does not burn at all. Neither does Virola theiodora resin. Freebase 5-MeO-DMT burns like crazy.
You may remember me as 69Ron. I was suspended years ago for selling bunk products under false pretenses. I try to sneak back from time to time under different names, but unfortunately, the moderators of the DMT-Nexus are infinitely smarter than I am.

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Olson
#7 Posted : 12/8/2009 1:56:45 AM

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@ polytrip:
I had a friend take oral 5-MeO-DMT with syrian rue, and he had a very powerful experience, albeit not as intense or frightening as mine. 5-MeO is so strange- it really does detach you from your mind, as you said.

Thank you for your encouragement. I look at the experience this way: I've had the worst experience you can have on a psychedelic, so what is there to be scared of now? I doubt any bad trip will reach the level of that one. It's been months since then and I still get what I suppose are flashbacks to that trip occasionally when I smoke weed, which has caused me to toke up less than I used to. I have tripped since then, however, and had a positive experience. I will take 5-MeO-DMT again in some form, I am sure, and it doesn't frighten me anymore.

@ idtravlr
Thanks for the compliments. It's funny you mention salvia, because I have had unpleasant experiences with it as well. That was well before I was an experienced psychonaut, though, and I have yet to revisit it. I'm pretty sure it has some potential other than scaring the shit out of me back when I was in High School.

I wouldn't advise against smoking it altogether, 10mg wasn't particularly frightening. It was more mind blowing, really. If you do decide to smoke it and you have enough, try to work your way up in dosage until you find what you're comfortable with. I went from 10mg out of a pipe to 18mg out a bong. It wasn't a wise decision.

@ 69ron
Oh, ok. I don't think I'd be against taking it that way if I wouldn't have to deal with the burning I heard described in a trip report once.
 
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#8 Posted : 12/8/2009 2:06:55 AM

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SWIM once made 5-MeO-DMT fumarate gel tabs for sublingual use. It works very well. In a small gel tab you can easily get enough of a dose for a decent experience. It's very convenient. It's nice for an amusement park. You put the gel tab under your tongue while waiting in line for a ride. It makes the wait less boring. And man, SWIM says riding a rollercoaster on sublingual 5-MeO-DMT was a blast!

Freebase 5-MeO-DMT burns like hell. Seriously, don’t try it unless you really like pain. It burns more than hot peppers do and in a very bad way. 5-MeO-DMT fumarate tastes sort of like DMT fumarate, but there’s no burn when used in the mouth, not even the slightest burn. And it works really well. Nearly the entire dose is absorbed in a minute or so. It’s about 1/2 as potent as smoking it.
You may remember me as 69Ron. I was suspended years ago for selling bunk products under false pretenses. I try to sneak back from time to time under different names, but unfortunately, the moderators of the DMT-Nexus are infinitely smarter than I am.

If you see me at the waterpark, please say hello. I'll be the delusional 50 something in the American flag Speedo, oiling up his monster guns while responding to imaginary requests for selfies from invisible teenage girls.
 
 
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