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#61 Posted : 6/5/2021 2:08:46 PM

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And what about mushrooms stored in honey..? Could it be that the honey allows for better delivery and thus stronger experiences of the mushrooms? My rue + mushroom honey experiences have always been amazingly strong...
Great suggestion, and I have no doubt your mushroom, rue + honey trip was strong! unfortunately, the honey will interfere with the absorption of the HPBCD DMT complex from under the tongue.

Update: I'm just going to take the stuff sublingual at the beach house, then walk is only 5 minutes or so, so by the time I get to end of pier it should be working.

I just took when I got home from waterpark this afternoon: 250mg THH taken 45 minutes before, then 90mg DMT complexed to 630mg HPBCD with 12 drops of VERY HOT water, mashed all together for 2 minutes on spoon, then used bottom of tongue to grab it all from spoon, held in the sublingual mucosa (pressed down hard) for 15 minutes, spit out saliva, continued to hold any residue for next 10 minutes...it blew my mind! For 1.5 hour I saw neon colors wash across all the walls, geometrics on the furniture and floors, music beyond incredible sounding, infinite open eyed beauty, tripped so hard, love the stuff! The tryptamine rush was felt very strongly, awesome body frequency vibration.

Dennis Mckenna Ph.D: "Thus, tetrahydroharmine may prolong the half-life of DMT by blocking it's intraneuronal uptake, and hence, its inactivation by MAO, localized in mitochondria within the neuron."
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#62 Posted : 6/5/2021 6:33:04 PM

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I have countless experiences. İt's the only way İ have experienced the mushrooms so İ don't have a reference for comparison, but they were all without exception, really strong, regardless of decreasing dose from time to time. A low dose, still delivering a powerful experience would be 3g rue + 15 dried liberty caps worth of mush honey.

Dried mushroom powder stored in honey eaten after rue tea, to be clear.

Powerful emotional release and heart opening and the whole world turns into a magical fairy tale land.
 
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#63 Posted : 6/5/2021 8:32:59 PM

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I have countless experiences. İt's the only way İ have experienced the mushrooms so İ don't have a reference for comparison, but they were all without exception, really strong, regardless of decreasing dose from time to time. A low dose, still delivering a powerful experience would be 3g rue + 15 dried liberty caps worth of mush honey.

Dried mushroom powder stored in honey eaten after rue tea, to be clear.
Nice!

I have felt so at peace and thankful over the last month of all these experiments. Ayahuasca, Queen of the Forest taught me this, I did not discover this...see post #53 on how this was discovered with the help of the Queen.

Anytime I do this, I always take antioxidants: 300mg +R-ALA, 1000mg vitamin C, vitamin E. I also take 6 to 8 caps of fish oil daily and 1 cup of 3 berry blend in my protein shake, super antioxidant power and the fish oil keeps depression far, far away...fabulous good mood with fish oil and sunlight daily.

I highly suggest using these 5.5 x 7.5 inch pyrex dishes come with covers found at *almart, simply pour each of your 90ml naptha pulls into each of 4 dishes, stack them in the freezer, 8 hours later, pour off naptha thru a coffee filter secured to a wide one-half pint jar to collect any xtals floating in the ice cold naptha, and simply scrape up all the xtals from your square pyrex once it is bone dry.

Super easy instructions here: https://www.dmt-nexus.me...spx?g=posts&t=96986 for 1.5g DMT from 150g bark all in one day using a 2 Liter erlenmeyer flask and long glass pipette with rubber stopper on end for the pulls.

1st pull = 1200mg, 2nd pull = 200mg, 3rd pull = 100mg, 4rth pull = 50mg, done this x 3 times, each time yield always at or better than 1.5g. Most (95%) of the crystals are all stuck to the bottom of shallow dish each time, very nice!
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#64 Posted : 6/7/2021 4:59:12 AM

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The effects with the sublingual route are the exact same as if the DMT had been taken orally with harmine & THH, you get a full 90 strong minutes out of it with long afterglow, and yes, the THH does indeed extend the half-life of the DMT just as Dennis Mckenna PH.D. states in attached paper. I also enjoy the sting, reminds me of the burn when I lift weights, been a bodybuilder since my early 20's. The sting does not bother me at all, cause I know I'm gonna trip super hard for the next 1.5 hour, it's so worth it. Just like building muscle, no pain no gain.

Dennis Mckenna Ph.D: page 115 "Thus, tetrahydroharmine may prolong the half-life of DMT by blocking it's intraneuronal uptake, and hence, its inactivation by MAO, localized in mitochondria within the neuron."

60mg is a great dose once you have experience, a 3.5 on the Shulgin strength scale. You can always take this orally with 200mg harmine and 150mg THH if you can't tolerate the sublingual sting.

Update: 6-6-21

Yesterday on Saturday night, I first took 300mg THH 45 minutes before, then I took 110mg DMT complexed to 770mg HPBCD in 12 drops very hot water with 2 minutes mashing and kneading....then used bottom of tongue to grab it all from spoon, held in the sublingual mucosa (pressed down hard) for 15 minutes, spit out saliva, continued to hold any residue for next 10 minutes.

I tripped my ass off...I was so out there, the beauty all around was profound and infinite, sparkles and colored streamers floated and darted about in the air like fireworks, neon colors filled the walls in purples and yellows and red/greens...the music was so incredible sounding...intricate geometrics again filled the walls in between neon washes of colors, which took turns fading back and forth between the two.

I re-dosed 110mg more DMT complexed to 770mg HPBCD again every 2 hours for a total of 3 times the whole night....it was one of the most intense psychedelic experiences of my life....it was the bomb, I so loved it....I watched movies and was mesmerized by the beauty of the on-screen actresses and scenery...like I was on another planet...the euphoria and spiritual joy was intense. I had to raise my normal dosage of 80mg dmt to 110mg as I had slight tolerance from using it earlier in the week, but it still worked VERY strongly once I increased the dose.

What I do now whenever I take this...I pre-prepare 3 steel tablespoons, each taken off a key ring measuring spoon set, full of DMT complexed to HPBCD ahead of time...and place a foil cover over each tablespoon on the desk...so that I can take more every 1.5 to 2 hours in order to trip non-stop all night without having to stop to make more throughout the evening.

I am heading for beach soon, so will be gone for some time, enjoy and please keep reporting.

P.S. The THH is not an maoi, it is an SRI, the music will only sound bad ass if you include it, and it doubles the half-life of the DMT, it brightens the visuals, adds euphoria & stimulation, adds visions & very transcendent activity to the journey, it is the 2nd highest ingredient in Ayahuasca, very important, omitting it would be like going to a waterpark without the women and bikini's.

The table below shows the subjective effects on a Shulgin level 1 to 5 of DMT dose which applies to either:

(1) DMT complexed to HPBCD used orally with harmine/THH all taken together at exact same time mixed into a 2oz hot water tea, add 100mg crushed vitamin C to mix the harmalas into the hot water should they be in freebase form, the HPBCD DMT turns 100% clear when it hits the hot water, or...

(2) DMT complexed to HPBCD used sublingually with THH taken orally 45 minutes earlier...exact same strength either way.
 
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#65 Posted : 6/9/2021 12:04:39 AM

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When using oral DMT or sublingual DMT, you will need to use higher doses than "vaped dmt". For example, I have done Ayahuasca 70 times using 30 to 40g of Hawaiian psychotria with Caapi each time. 30g Hawaiian psychotria contains approximately 60mg of DMT, 40g contains around 80mg DMT. This is where the real Journey's kick ass, at 30g leaf or 60mg DMT.

I would not experiment with alcoholic tinctures, etc. until you have the simple 2 minute kneading/crushing method down using a spoon and 10 to 12 drops of water...this is the same way scientist made the oral Ofloxacin, a second generation fluroquinolones more orally bioavailable by 54 to 89 percent, using kneading and crushing of HPBCD to the host drug, same way chemist Patrick Arnold taught how to prepare sublingual HPBCD pro-hormones back in the bodybuilding deja news user groups back in the day, which was bought out later by google groups.

The sublingual journey begins in only 1/2 the time of an oral Ayahuasca experience, so in 22 minutes vs. normal 45 minutes...identical to the "come up period" for the 100mg sublingual viagra study found on-line. But the cool thing is that it lasts the same amount of time as an oral Ayahuasca experience = 90 minutes.

There is ZERO nausea, ZERO dizziness, ZERO queasiness feelings as there is no DMT or harmine going thru the stomach and intestines, that's the tradeoff you gain for the sting you endure.

The sublingual HPBCD DMT simulates an oral Ayahuasca experience, not vaped DMT, sorry if I did not clarify that earlier. She is just as beautiful and transcendent as any of my highest dosage cactus tea experiences.

300mg THH taken 45 minutes earlier then 80mg sublingual DMT complexed to 560mg "plain" HPBCD (use 640mg HPBCD if it's the 2-hydroxy) feels to me like around 600mg plus of mescaline, she is VERY trippy, beautiful beyond belief, music is so incredible.

You will not feel anything with less than 20mg DMT complexed to 160mg 2-hydroxy HPBCD sublingually. And 20mg DMT is only a level 1 on the Shulgin strength scale from 1 to 5.

Seriously, there is nothing to be afraid of, most should up their dose to 60mg complexed to 420mg HPBCD, use 480mg if using the 2-hydroxy propyl beta cyclodextrin...I guarantee you will be flying high.

The higher dosage is needed as horsepower for the full 1.5 hour.

Post #53 is one of the most important posts of this thread and talks about the Planet in crisis, and why the Ayahuasca Queen wanted this discovered and propagated.

Post #44 contains the mind-blowing 5 hour visionary 300mg THH taken once (10.5 hour half life) + sublingual 60mg DMT complexed to 420mg HPBCD re-dosed x 3 times (every 1.5 hour) report.

The visions inspired me to buy a book on the Aztec myth of "Quetzalcoatl, the serpent of precious feathers", as I feel somehow this entity is a "teacher to mankind". I saw the brightly colored serpents many times in the 5 hours of visions, and now I understand why they are so commonly reported in Ayahuasca journeys.

They seem to possess divine knowledge that humans were not supposed to have been privileged to, but the serpents gifted this knowledge to humankind.

I recently found a 1.5 hour video on Amazon prime entitled "Ancient Alien Origins" which is all about this ancient alien flying serpent or dragon entity which is found in all religions of the world, very interesting video, highly recommend.

pic1: Sublingual & oral DMT horsepower, women riding horses, where the Queen of the forest lives, Ayahuasca.

pic2: Priestess of Quetzalcoatl

I will be using this stuff for the rest of my life, so love it. I use in place of my high dose cactus tea when I trip at home now, dirt cheap, and save my rare cactus for outdoors only. She is VERY trippy, just as beautiful and transcendent as high dose cactus tea. 300mg tetrahydroharmine, or THH 45 minutes taken orally before + 80mg DMT complexed to 560mg HPBCD taken sublingually under tongue is a level 5 maxed out Shulgin strength level trip & feels to me very similar to 600mg plus of mescaline, beautiful beyond belief, neon intricate geometrics open eyed on the walls with splashes of neon color washing the walls, colored sparklets flying in the air like fireworks and fantastic closed eye visuals/visions & music is so incredible. See post #54 for 5 hour report.

Procedure: 300mg tetrahydroharmine (use from 150mg to 300mg) taken 45 minutes before orally + 80mg DMT complexed to 560mg HPBCD, use 640mg if using the 2-hydroxy propyl beta cyclodextrin using 12 drops very hot water from a nearby coffee mug all mashed together for 2 minutes on a spoon, using the end of another spoon to mash & knead it all together.

Then taken sublingually by placing bottom of tongue on to spoon, it will all adhere to bottom of tongue...hold for 15 minutes under tongue in the sublingual mucosa, then spit out any saliva (but not what's under your tongue), continue to hold any residue under tongue for 10 more minutes, never release your tongue the whole 25 minutes...press down hard with tongue the whole time to trap complex in the sublingual mucosa. 22 minutes after you begin all of this, you will go from sober to full throttle, a level 5 experience for 90 minutes, then you can re-dose by two more times every 1.5 hour in order to trip heavy all night.

If you can't tolerate the sting, you can take the HPBCD DMT orally by mixing into 200mg harmine + 150mg to 300mg THH tea all mixed together in 2oz very hot water, take at the exact same time all mixed together, just as the Shaman's do. The HPBCD DMT turns 100% clear when it hits the hot water. Use 100mg crushed vit c to make the harmine and thh absorb into the water should they be in freebase form.

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Use a 1:1 molar ratio of DMT to HPBCD to trap all the DMT inside the tornado HPBCD cone.
This means 1:7mg weight ratio of DMT to HPBCD for the plain HPBCD.
This means 1:8mg weight ratio of DMT to HPBCD for the 2-hydroxy propyl beta cyclodextrin.

Don't forget THH doubles the half-life of the DMT, so that's why you get a 90 minute very strong trip. Very long afterglow after that as well. I am off to beach for a week, then waterpark and weight room for the summer, have a good weekend & summer.
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#66 Posted : 6/15/2021 10:57:48 PM

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Final summary below:

I have used this stuff sublingually (if you count the number of times I re-dosed in an evening) around 18 times in 3 month period, each time it is just as strong as an oral dose, in other words 80mg HPBCD DMT sublingual is just as strong as 80mg HPBCD DMT used orally with 200mg harmine + 150mg to 300mg THH all mixed together in a 2oz very hot water tea...no difference in strength. Use 100mg of crushed vit C to make the harmalas absorb into the hot water tea if they are in freebase form. Drink all mixed together into the hot water tea at the exact same time, just as Shaman's do for the highest strength.

Use a 1:1 molar ratio of DMT to HPBCD to trap all the DMT inside the tornado HPBCD cone.
This means 1:7mg weight ratio of DMT to HPBCD for the plain HPBCD. (60mg DMT to 420mg HPBCD)
This means 1:8mg weight ratio of DMT to HPBCD for the 2-hydroxy propyl beta cyclodextrin. (60mg DMT to 480mg 2-hydroxy PBCD)

I tolerate the sting very well, no issues. But yes fog, just use it orally if you want. It is several factors stronger than DMT salts used orally. I should know I ran a dozen experiments with 70 to 120mg DMT salts long ago, and the HPBCD DMT blows it away in strength & all encompassing just like the Hawaiian psychotria leaf. The DMT salts were all only +3 mild on Shulgin scale, while 70mg of HPBCD DMT is a +5 on Shulgin scale whether used orally with harmine or by itself sublingually. But always include from 150mg to 300mg THH no matter what.

Procedure: 300mg tetrahydroharmine (use from 150mg to 300mg) taken 45 minutes before orally + 80mg DMT complexed to 560mg HPBCD, use 640mg if using the 2-hydroxy propyl beta cyclodextrin using 12 drops very hot water from a nearby coffee mug all mashed together for 2 minutes on a spoon, using the end of another spoon to mash & knead it all together.

Then taken sublingually by placing bottom of tongue on to spoon, it will all adhere to bottom of tongue...hold for 15 minutes under tongue in the sublingual mucosa, then spit out any saliva (but not what's under your tongue), continue to hold any residue under tongue for 10 more minutes, never release your tongue the whole 25 minutes...press down hard with tongue the whole time to trap complex in the sublingual mucosa. 22 minutes after you begin all of this, you will go from sober to full throttle, a level 5 experience for 90 minutes, then you can re-dose by two more times every 1.5 hour in order to trip heavy all night.

The sports supplement place I got the plain HPBCD went out of business once pro-hormones became illegal, just like alot of other places, they carried the 1kg containers for price of two movie tickets right next to all the pro-hormones for sale, so that you could complex them at home for sublingual use, all this was explained "how to do" by chemist & weight lifter Patrick Arnold on part 5 of this paper at beginning. This is who I learned it from.

The importance of tetrahydroharmine (THH):

1. Post #12 shows how to convert harmaline to THH in 1.5 hour with 75% yield. It is the 2nd highest ingredient in Caapi based true Ayahuasca.

2. Dennis Mckenna Ph.D: page 115 "Thus, tetrahydroharmine prolongs the half-life of DMT by blocking it's intraneuronal uptake, and hence, its inactivation by MAO, localized in mitochondria within the neuron." In my experience, THH doubles the half-life of DMT, so when used sublingually or orally, you get a full strong 90 minutes out of it with long afterglow. See attached paper.

3. DMT only colors are subdued and dark, but THH brightens the DMT visuals: out of this world impossible bright neon colors are a trait of high dose oral tetrahydroharmine + moderate dose 60 to 70mg+ sublingual or oral HPBCD DMT: neon red-greens, neon orange-blues, neon purple-yellows.

4. DMT does not block serotonin on it's own, but THH does...this results in not only stimulation but euphoria in combo with the DMT: and real Ayahuasca visions become apparent...important teamwork.

5. THH has numerous similarities to mescaline, not only does it block serotonin like mescaline, LSD & shrooms, but it agonizes all 3 adrenal receptors just like mescaline, which are associated with beauty & aesthetics appreciation, beauty enhancement is "over the top" when THH is included. Researchers have called THH the "tryptamine of the beta-carboline world" and rightly so.

6. THH is found in average 150mg in a cup of Caapi based Ayahuasca tea, when 2 cups are drank for evening at the vegetals, people are consuming around 300mg of THH.

7. Music will only sound bad-ass incredible if you include from 150mg to 300mg oral THH with your sublingual or oral DMT.

8. See post #42 (top of page 3) for 5 hour visionary journey using 300mg oral THH taken 45 minutes before, then sublingual 60mg HPBCD DMT taken every 1.5 hour, mind-blowing CEV's for hours on end, music super-incredible all night long.

The visions inspired me to buy a book on the Aztec myth of "Quetzalcoatl, the serpent of precious feathers", as I feel somehow this entity is a "teacher to mankind". I saw the brightly colored serpents many times in the 5 hours of visions, and now I understand why they are so commonly reported in Ayahuasca journeys.

They seem to possess divine knowledge that humans were not supposed to have been privileged to, but the serpents gifted this knowledge to humankind.

I recently found a 1.5 hour video on Amazon prime entitled "Ancient Alien Origins" which is all about this ancient alien flying serpent or dragon entity which is found in all religions of the world, very interesting video, highly recommend.

Here is a pic of the REAL san pedro I use everytime I go to waterpark, I make a tea out of 2 of these bad boys (2.5" thick x 12" long) and boil the tea down to 6oz, no foam, and filter thru a cotton ball in a funnel after boil down....tea made from two feels like 500mg mescaline, extremely beautiful at the waterpark...great for outdoors...trip my ass off. I use 300mg THH taken orally 45 minutes before the sublingual 80mg HPBCD DMT x redosed every 1.5 to 2 hours at home, it feels JUST LIKE 600mg plus of mescaline...beautiful beyond belief. Substitutes for the cactus for "at home use" VERY trippy, my 2 loves, oral THH + sublingual HPBCD DMT x 3 time re-dose all evening, or cactus tea for outdoors....both infinitely & profoundly beautiful.

HPBCD improves oral absorption profile for Ofloxacin, a second generation fluroquinolones by 54 to 89 percent. This complex was made using kneading/crushing as mentioned by the scientist, same way chemist Patrick Arnold taught all the weight lifters to do it.

Just pretend you are a "human sewing machine" for 2 minutes, mashing and kneading the DMT into the HPBCD tornado cone using your muscles. Just stirring will not work. Please if you can, up your dose to 60mg DMT...nothing to fear and will result in a beautiful 3.5 Shulgin strength scale experience. This is where I was like "wow, now we have arrived."

2) And don't forget to use 10 drops near BOILING HOT WATER from a nearby coffee mug, use 10 drops if complexing 60mg DMT, or 12 drops if complexing 80mg DMT. You can still use 12 drops for 60mg DMT if you want.

p.s. If you haven't made a tea out of two 12" long 2.5" thick REAL san pedro, and visited your local waterpark for the morning/afternoon, you don't know what your missing! I been doing this for 6 years already, all summer long...the outdoors is beautiful beyond belief, like an outdoor fairytale fantasy land full of infinite beauty and colorful bikini's.

Cactus is so bad ass. It's very gentle while being profoundly beautiful...you can be tripping your brains out and yet have complete control of all your faculties...still have a normal conversation and nobody around you can even tell your tripping.

True story: don't feel bad for doing things differently or incorrectly, when I first started this, I didn't know that I was supposed to use a 1:1 molar ratio of DMT to HPBCD, I was blindly doing a 1:1 mg weight ratio of DMT to HPBCD, it was not until a guy who said this was all impossible, as if it were in his words "some kind of miracle new mode of administration" told me that I should at least be using a 1:1 molar ratio and not weight ratio for this to even work.

Sometimes, people who don't even believe in what you are doing will be of aid to your goal. Teamwork comes in all disguises. When we were at the beach for a week (post #97), the funniest guy in our group, a real comedian was accident prone wherever we went, sort of like Jack Tripper from Three's Company. At the beach waterpark, he decided to go down a kiddie slide, but opened his mouth and water poured into his throat at breakneck speed, he felt like he was karate chopped in the throat after the ride, but was fine.

Later, on the water rapids tube ride, at the very top, a lifeguard spun him around in his tube, and going down the falls, he bumped the back of his head on the smooth boulders lining the ride, his head hurt a bit, but again he came out just fine, then again later a souvenier rack almost took him out when he didn't see where he was walking.

All I'm saying is that alot of the time we have no control over what's happening, but there is a destiny and plan for all of us, we each have a gift in this upside down world.


One of the most beautiful things I enjoyed about the beach trip was the simple walk along the beach in the morning picking up sea shells and collecting them along with several buckets of sand I took home. I walked my dog and enjoyed the numerous sunflowers and other wild flowers under the boardwalk along the entire beach...and standing on end of rock pier watching the waves crash in...the easy, uncomplicated, effortless things in life can be the most profound. Smile

HPBCD improves oral absorption profile for Ofloxacin, a second generation fluroquinolones by 54 to 89 percent.

This is also why HPBCD DMT dissolves many factors better than DMT salts for oral use with harmine and THH. I have run a dozen experiments with 70mg to 120mg DMT salts in the past, they were all only mild +3 Shulgin level experiences, while the 70mg HPBCD DMT was a +5 strong Shulgin level experience, very impressed with not only the strength, but it was "all encompassing" just like actual 30mg Hawaiian psychotria leaf = 3-d like honeycomb brown and orange neon geometrics on the walls (they bulged slightly off the surface), super strong high frequency body vibration felt for 1 hour, a fortress of neon color particles surrounded objects like a teleportation device, this same phenomena has happened before in the past, but only when I used actual 30 to 40g Hawaiian psychotria leaf, this same phenomena happened again with the 70mg HPBCD DMT, but never with the plain DMT salts, which were dissapointingly mild every time due to poor body absorption.

The above oral trip with 200mg harmine + 300mg THH + 70mg HPBCD DMT complex all mixed into 2oz very hot water tea, the HPBCD DMT turns 100% clear when it hits the hot water tea from off the spoon. All mixed and drank at exact same time, just as the Shaman's do.

https://earthmedicine201...of-the-serpent-of-eden/
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Return of the Serpent & of Eden:
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There is no irony to the symbol of the Serpent as being a Divine Being in Earth-based indigenous cultures. To name a few, Ayahuasca (the vine medicine of the Amazon) is seen to be a Feminine power, revealed at times as the Boa or Great Serpent.

Likewise, the Nahua peoples of descended Mayans have the symbol of Snake Woman, a Feminine presence of healing and Creation. Quetzalcoatl, the winged serpent of Aztec origin, is said to have risen in this time, reflecting a shift in consciousness.

The Beauty Way, in North Indigenous lines, represents the path “closest to Mother Earth”, also symbolically represented by the Serpent. Countless indigenous American peoples (Holding the Root & Sacral Chakra of the Earth) view the snake as a symbol largely associated with the Feminine and of Power, be it healing, protection, or divination.

An example that is very personal to me is the example of Shihuahuaco (a tree) & Ayahuasca (a vine). As most trees are (except for example, Oje), Shihuahuaco is considered masculine in spirit & energy. Ayahuasca, a curvy & fluid vine, is feminine. Both are considered Plantas Maestras & one curandero (who works primarily with the Matsigenka people in Madre de Dios) told me that they are considered lovers.

He told me that one Matsigenka perspective is that Shihuaco is the king of the jungle, and Ayahuasca is the King. When observed with shamanic perspectives of Nature, Shihuaco (the tallest & strongest tree in the forest) allows for the curvy, fluid & feminine vine to reach to the heavens: the linear masculine supporting the circular feminine. Thus they are seen to be a complete couple.


Pic1: Cacti woman with four REAL san pedro each 2.5" thick x 12" long, each one equivalent of around 250mg mescaline.

pic2: teamwork of everyone here was important

pic3: Priestess of Quetzalcoatl

pic4: easy 2 step process & strength chart

Pic5: Quetzalcoatl

Pic6: Pretend you are a human sewing machine crushing/kneading complex for 2 minutes using near boiling hot water from a nearby coffee mug.

In conclusion, complete summary:

HPBCD is itself very soluble in water (greater than 1000 mg/ml at room temperature). This increases with VERY HOT near boiling water. So now you see how I used in earlier trip 80mg DMT complexed to 560mg plain HPBCD in 10 to 12 drops for sublingual or oral use. 1ml = 20 drops, 0.5ml = 10 drops, therefore each drop of water can hold 50mg HPBCD at room temp, or twice that 100mg HPBCD in each drop of very hot water from a nearby coffee mug.

The 2-hydroxy PBCD will work just fine, try it exactly like this:

1. put 60mg DMT freebase on a spoon
2. cover with 480mg of the 2-hydroxy PBCD powder (1:1 molar ratio), use 420mg if using plain HPBCD.
3. add 10 drops of near boiling hot water from a coffee mug
4. stir, scrape, and mash it all together for 2 minutes...knead/mash/scrape using end of another spoon...it will look similar to 10 to 12 drop liquid complex below.
5. dry bottom of tongue and top of sublingual mucosa with a tissue
6. put bottom side of tongue onto spoon, it will all adhere to bottom of tongue.
7. Hold in sublingual mucosa under tongue for 15 minutes, it will all dissolve, I've done this enough times to notice it all dissolve in 15 minutes, even 110mg complexed DMT dissolves in 15 minutes sublingually.
8. 22 minutes after you begin all this, (1/2 the time of an oral dose) you will go from baseline to full throttle, 60mg DMT will take you to a level 3.5 on Shulgin strength scale.
9. So long as you took 150mg to 300mg of tetrahydroharmine 45 minutes earlier, it will double the half-life of the DMT, so you get a full strong 90 minutes out of it.

Colors will only be neon-colorful, music will only sound bad-ass incredible, beauty enhancement will be "over the top" and actresses on TV will look like dazzling glowing super-colorful cartoon versions of themselves (just like with high dose cactus tea) only if you include the THH. Important teamwork takes place with THH + DMT.

From 5-19-21: 60mg DMT complexed to 420mg HPBCD sublingual report dosed x 3 times every 2 hours

Full Journey trip report:

Keep in mind using DMT salts sublingually does not work. The HPBCD complexed DMT works extremely well, the outer water soluble sugary like tasting HPBCD keeps the freebase DMT trapped inside it's non-polar cone, so as the complex sits under the tongue for 15 minutes...

...you feel a mild to moderate sting for around 15 minutes as the HPBCD releases the DMT directly into the bloodstream from the mucosa membrane under the tongue (only 100 microns thick) as the freebase, only as the freebase will it reach from the bloodstream to the brain with maximum effects. I don't have all the answers, I only know it works extremely well. The tongue is completely fine after, and it's as if nothing happened the next day, 100% no scarring or burning, totally normal.

Be sure to press down with tongue the whole time to trap the sticky complex in the sublingual mucosa.

Give this a try...follow 2 step instructions, 60mg DMT complexed to 420mg HPBCD (use 480mg if using the 2-hydroxy PBCD) with 2 minutes stirring, mashing & kneading all of it hard (to force the DMT into the tornado like HPBCD cone) using your muscles on a spoon with 10 to 12 drops very hot water, put bottom of tongue on to spoon, it will all adhere...and hold for 15 minutes in the sublingual mucosa, begins to work in 22 minutes...at the end of the 15 minutes, I spit out any saliva that's collected in mouth into a cup instead of swallowing, for me this has been less than 1/4oz or around less than 15ml saliva. As I gently spit out the saliva, I will keep any tiny residual amount still trapped or pressed down under tongue for another 5 minutes usually, but I have noticed most of the time, it all dissolves within 15 minutes.

...and is VERY STRONG...I experienced 90 minutes of very strong effects, pupil dilation maxed out, strong tryptamine body buzz high frequency, heavy CEV imagery, open eyed beauty profound, music sounds incredible...feels identical to if I had taken 60mg DMT complexed to HPBCD orally with 200mg harmine with 300mg THH, of course I always take 300mg THH orally any time I do this using the sublingual DMT.

I recommend not using more than 250mg of THH if it is your first time. 250mg of THH causes zero dizziness and ZERO nausea, but 300mg will cause a tiny bit of dizziness for a short time if you are not used to it. I am used to it, so I get no dizziness at 300mg.

The effects were so INCREDIBLE, I RE-DOSED 60mg of DMT complexed to 420mg HPBCD x two more times the same night, every 1.5 hours...it was the bomb...I was in 7th heaven.Smile

...never before have I had such insane visuals all night long...all the way till 5am in the morning I was seeing closed eye visions of slow and high speed movies...I saw brightly colored serpents, dungeons I traveled thru, many Mesoamerican pyramids, women of incredible beauty, Japanese landscapes, dancing geometrics, many different animals on a rotating globe, walking on the planet-like globe as it spun, hundreds of visions like slow and high-speed movies over the course of many hours.

I saw the interiors of many magnificent homes, exposed like a camera flash went off, then off to the next home interior, bizarre alien looking creatures, I saw ancient ruins but they were seen as they were before they fell apart. All sorts of architectural wonders appeared that I could not make out exactly what time period they were from.

All the visions were enchanting & manifested incredible beauty. The multi-colored beautiful serpents kept appearing several times in different forms, as if they have some prominence to do with it all, two of them had shining skin covered in gold scales and intertwined like DNA, reminds me of the Aztec quetzalcoatl myth, the "serpent of precious feathers."

...all of these visions were brightly colored due to the DMT and THH combo all night long..it was one of the most powerful psychedelic experiences of my life...and I've taken Ayahuasca x 70 times, cactus 200 times, etc...I have never had over 5 hours of non-stop CEV visions anything close to what I saw the other night...I was blown away, and will be thinking about this for a very long time...this sublingual DMT along with 300mg THH taken orally 1 hour before is my absolute favorite...there is no nausea...I wore headphones and listened to music the whole time, as the music sounded just like if I had taken a very strong cactus tea...out of this world good...I had non-stop closed eye visions all night long, insane visions...totally blown away.

I love the "oral 250 to 300mg THH + sublingual 420mg HPBCD complexed to 60mg DMT administration" as there is a complete lack of "queasiness feeling during the journey", perhaps because there is no harmine/DMT going thru the stomach & intestines...I don't know the answer for sure, but I like it.

Remember, I took 300mg of THH once early on, then every 1.5 hour I took 60mg of DMT complexed to 420mg of HPBCD sticky liquid under my tongue for 15 minutes held...so I took it x 3 times...one of the most visionary entheogenic experiences of my life.Love

I have found a way to make this stuff portable & even storable in a freezer or elsewhere, simply sucking up the 0.5ml off the spoon into a 3ml plastic syringe. The syringe's liquid complex becomes re-flowable again after sitting at room temp for a short while, in case it has been pulled from freezer storage.

Pic1: 3ml syringe and puppy dog sunglasses storage case for syringes

Pic2: Woman sitting on the Eleusis ruins of ancient Greece where the sacred Kykeon entheogenic beverage was drank in ritual for nearly 2,000 years. In its heyday, up to 3,000 initiates could be received at a time.

pic3: Spirit animals watch on & guide the process as 2-step HPBCD DMT for sublingual use with oral THH Ayahuasca is prepared with meditation, prayer & intentions. Table showing subjective DMT strength from 20 to 80mg.

Pic4: 1 kilo of HPBCD is cheap from China.

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Page 3 post #53, how this was discovered with the help of Ayahuasca, Queen of the forest.


pic: 3ml syringe with 80mg DMT complexed to 560mg plain HPBCD (use 640mg if using the 2-hydroxy PBCD) in 12 drops near boiling hot water from a nearby coffee mug prepared on a spoon using the end of another spoon to mix, mash and knead/scrape it all together hard using muscles for 2 minutes, then every last bit of it sucked up easily by syringe (none left behind), simply shoot liquid under tongue and hold for 15 minutes in sublingual mucosa when ready to use (it all dissolves in 15 minutes)...blast off 22 minutes after this is all begun (1/2 the time of an oral dose).

The syringes are portable, freezable, I prepare three of these syringes for use during the night, so I can take one sublingually every 1.5 hour, to have a long 4.5 hour strong (+5 Shulgin level strength) journey with long afterglow. Of course, I always take 300mg THH 45 minutes earlier. The syringes come in packs of 100 for dirt cheap. I store the pre-loaded syringes in a hard sunglasses case.

The syringe's liquid complex becomes re-flowable again after sitting at room temp for a short while, in case it has been pulled from freezer storage.

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#67 Posted : 7/4/2021 5:52:35 PM

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Yield from 170g finely powdered bark, followed instructions on post #63 using a 2 Liter erlenmeyer flask with 9.5 number stopper.

1st pull far left, dish + coffee filter = 1668mg
2nd pull in middle, dish + coffee filter = 517mg
3rd pull to far right = 155mg
4rth pull close to nothing
3 pulls get majority of it all (95%)
total = 2340mg

1) For 170g bark, use 1.9 Liter 150 degree water, when water, lye and bark all dissolved, liquid will all come up exactly to the 2,000 ml line on the flask.
2) 170g bark x 1.5 = use 255 grams lye
3) use 3 x 90ml naptha pulls, each 90ml naptha addition will rise 1.5" or so above 2L line on flask for easy collection using a long glass pipette.
4) allow 30 minutes for each naptha pull to rise to top for collection, this will ensure it all rises. Do pulls one after another, around 1.5 hour beginning to end, then you are done with 3 pulls.

The pre-heated water with mixed lye keeps liquid/naptha warm...I also keep a 60 watt lamp bulb with reflector close or pointed to back of flask the entire time, so each of my 3 pulls are around 125 degree F when I measured with electronic thermometer.

Highly suggest using these 5.5 x 7.5 inch pyrex dishes w/covers found at *almart, simply pour each of your 90ml naptha pulls into each of 4 dishes, stack them in the freezer, 8 hours later, pour off naptha thru a coffee filter secured to a wide one-half pint jar to collect any xtals floating in the ice cold naptha (seen above attached with clothespins to a 1/2 pint wide jar), and simply scrape up all the xtals from your square pyrex once it is bone dry.

It's very important to let your dishes sit undisturbed for a long while, these dishes sat in freezer for 12 hours during day (11am till 11pm), then overnight for 8 hours.

This is the stuff used in all the HPBCD complexed DMT experiments with 250 to 300mg oral THH taken 45 minutes earlier. The HPBCD DMT can be used sublingually (all dissolves in 15 minutes) with 90 minutes of strong activity, and re-dosed every 1.5 hour x 2 more times at night...or dissolved into a 2oz hot water tea with 200mg harmine and 250 to 300mg THH already dissolved into it, use 100mg or so of crushed vitamin C to help harmalas dissolve should they be in freebase form, either way, sublingually or orally, the HPBCD DMT is exact same strength, the oral HPBCD DMT is several factors stronger than DMT salts in my experience, just like using actual 30 to 40g Hawaiian psychotria.

The 250mg to 300mg THH taken orally 45 minutes before with the 80mg HPBCD DMT used sublingually (or orally dissolved with harmine + THH hot water tea all drank at exact same time) simulates 600mg of "super mescaline" in my experience, but dirt cheap compared to the expensive and rare cactus, great for use indoors, saving precious cactus for outdoors only.

Colors will only be neon-colorful, music will only sound bad-ass incredible, beauty enhancement will be "over the top" and actresses on TV will look like dazzling glowing super-colorful cartoon versions of themselves (just like with high dose cactus tea) only if you include the THH. Important teamwork takes place with THH + DMT. THH also doubles the half-life of the DMT, so you get a full 90 minutes out of each HPBCD DMT dose.

To answer the question about the 2-hydroxy propyl beta cyclodextrin compared to plain HPBCD:

Update: 7/8/2021: Last night, after not having taken anything for 7 days, took oral 300mg THH 45 minutes earlier, then sublingual (held under tongue 15 minutes) 90mg DMT complexed to 720mg of the 2-hydroxy propyl beta cyclodextrin (use 630mg if using plain HPBCD from China), phenomenal strength, felt like 700mg of mescaline, one of the most intense and enjoyable visionary experiences of my life, neon colors super abundant with open eyes, visuals flying past me at amazing speeds, visuals so strong, whether with closed or open eyes, geometrics and colored sparkles filled every inch of space, it looked like neon colors were melting in mid-air and reforming into infinite varities of colors. The trip while being super strong, was entirely relaxing and calm, just like with high dose cactus. I am blown away.

Euphoria and beauty enhancement way over the top, music entirely alien sounding and every sound as if heard for the first time...women on the movies playing looked like super-beautiful cartoon caricatures of themselves...so very impressed. So yes, in conclusion, the 2-hydroxy works just as well as the plain HPBCD. I re-dosed every hour and half x 2 more times during night, enjoyed movies to the max...the 90mg HPBCD DMT was incredibly trippy beyond belief! Each dose fully dissolved under tongue at the 15 minute point, at 22 minute point went to full throttle, and stayed there good 1.5 hour each dose. So very glad I took it last night, afterglow so nice.

Answers to questions...

1. This THH is stuff I make myself, been making it since 2010, the days when professor8 started to make it, long time chemist. It is extremely pure, I have no clue about the stuff from liftmode, make mine for around 25 cents per 300mg dose, instructions on post #12.

2. The dmt is yellow/orangish colored xtals, smells strongly like plastic, keep frozen at all times in a small tiny container with screw cap to preserve activity. I even shoot wine preservation gas canister (inert mixture of argon, etc.) from *mazon into the container with my finger over top to replace the oxygen in the container before tightening screw cap top back on, before putting away in freezer. I would only use the dry stuff, if it has any water or grain alcohol in it, it simply does not work well at all.

3. How I do it: add 90mg freebase orange/yellow DMT to a spoon, add (90 x 7 = 630mg of HPBCD powder on top, use 90 x 8 =720 mg if it's the 2-hydroxy PBCD), then add 10 drops of boiling hot water from a nearby coffee mug (water pre-microwaved) on top it all. I prefer to use 10 drops whenever possible instead of 12 drops, as it's extremely easy to all keep under tongue, with less saliva production, 12 drops is fine if using 110mg of so of complexed DMT. I stir and scrape it back and forth using muscles on spoon for 2 minutes, using the end of another spoon to scrape/knead/mix it all together with force...it forms a sticky gel looking complex, this is still flowable into a 3ml syringe for storage in freezer if you want to store long term.

I prefer to assemble 3 of these 0.5ml full (10 drops of complex) syringes ahead of time, so they are all ready to go for the evening, just shooting a single syringe's complex under tongue every 1.5 hour. These 3ml syringes are dirt cheap for a pack of 100.

I then place bottom of tongue onto spoon, or shoot a single syringe's content under tongue...it all will adhere, hold under tongue for 15 minutes, it all dissolves, yes there is a sting...but I actually enjoy it, and it's so worth it for the super strong beautiful results with zero nausea/dizziness...around 22 minutes since starting all this, go to full throttle in terms of strength, which is held for around 1.5 hour, which is point I usually re-dose. Don't forget I always take from 250mg to 300mg THH around 45 minutes earlier..I recommend using at least 150mg minimum.

I prefer this method over taking the HPBCD DMT orally with 200mg harmine, as the harmine gives me some slight dizziness and heavyness...with the sublingual route, there is ZERO nausea and dizziness, and it feels more like mescaline as compared to Ayahuasca, which has the harmine in it. For a slight harmine feel, you could always take 20 to 30mg of harmine by itself sublingually (no hpbcd needed) under tongue around 1/2 hour before using the sublingual HPBCD DMT for more of an Ayahuasca feel if that's what you prefer.

4. I've used this stuff sublingually for over 3 months now, around 30 times total if you count the number of times I've re-dosed in an evening (usually re-dose x 2 more times), as I prefer a long 4.5 hour trip with super-long afterglow, similar to a long cactus tea journey. I am completely serious when I say 300mg THH orally + 90mg complexed DMT feels identical to 700mg of mescaline. I've taken up to 850mg purified mescaline in the past (upper limit). It is beautiful beyond belief, and super-dirt cheap. Now a days, you need three 12" long x 2.5" wide PC san pedro just to get a mild 300 to 350mg mescaline trip that barely gets you off the ground, can cost quite a bit just for a mild dose, as bridgesii is super-rare these days. This completely replaces the high dose cactus tea. This feels like 18" long of 2.5" wide thick bridgesii, completely mind-blowing.

But I will add for outdoor use, the PC San Pedro (3 of the 12" long x 2.5" wide) brewed into a tea (around 300 to 350mg mescaline) taken 1st, then 1 hour later, take 250mg of THH, will make the San Pedro feel just like 300mg + 200mg mescaline = a feel identical to 500mg of mescaline, I've done this same method countless times before being driven to waterpark, where I trip my ass off all morning and early afternoon long...like an outdoor fantasy fairytale land full of neon colorful bikinis. It's way strong but completely relaxing, even calmer then mushrooms. I can hold normal conversations and have complete control of my faculties while tripping my brains out outdoors.

Pic: waterpark nature fun

In conclusion...

7/15/2021 important update: After 3 months working with this stuff, I decided to try some experiments, taking as usual 300mg THH orally 45 minutes before taking the 90mg DMT complexed to 630mg plain HPBCD in 10 drops boiling hot water all stirred/mashed/scraped/kneaded together on a spoon using the end of another spoon for 2 minutes, then placing bottom of tongue on to spoon, the sticky gel-like complex all adheres. Held sublingually under tongue pressed down into the sublingual mucosa (only 100 microns thick) for 15 minutes (it all dissolves in 15 minutes). In preparation for an evening's journey, I will often suck up the 0.5ml (10 drop complex) into a 3ml plastic syringe, pre-preparing 3 of these syringes, each with 90mg HPBCD complex so I can shoot one of these re-dose under my tongue every 1.5 hour without having to make more while I'm tripping. They can even be stored long-term in the freezer, and they de-frost quickly at room-temp when pulled out of freezer.

--> What I've been doing recently is experimenting with taking 200mg of harmine orally around an hour or more before using the sublingual HPBCD DMT. In other words, I'm taking the oral harmine at around the same time I'm taking the oral 300mg THH.

I have found this is especially useful in overcoming any developed tolerance to the sublingual HPBCD DMT, this use of oral harmine seems to completely reset any tolerance and drastically lower the body's overall MAO defenses for the entire evening, allowing for a sublingual HPBD DMT journey that is extremely powerful and very long duration when there is any sort of developed DMT tolerance.

The harmine seems to impart a very long 5 hour total in my experience "lowering of MAO defenses system wide in the body", so when I continue to take the sublinugal HPBCD DMT under my tongue x every 1.5 hour I continue this extremely powerful experience for 4.5 hours total with super-long afterglow.

--> Alternately, what one can do is use 30mg sublingual harmine (no complexing to HPBCD needed) taken 1/2 hour before using the sublingual HPBCD DMT, this could prove nearly identical to using 200mg oral harmine, I will experiment with this in the future in place of the oral harmine.

I recently experienced the most powerful journey out of all the 30 journeys I have taken in 3 months, by experimenting as written above...this taking first of 300mg THH 45 minutes before then of 200mg harmine around an hour or more in the evening before using the sublingual HPBCD DMT x 3 total sublingual re-doses during the evening (every 1.5 hour) really turbo-charged the experiences...just completely blown away.

The open-eyed visuals were extremely powerful, Shulgin level 5 strength easily, impossible not on this earth neon-colors on all the walls constantly shifting into other colors, with mind-bending geometrics, beauty-enhancement so over the top & infinite, music so incredible, actresses on the movies again looked like super-beautiful glowing dazzling cartoon caricatures of themselves, felt identical to 700mg of mescaline, but this was with a developed tolerance.

I have been completely able to maintain this level 5 shulgin strength level for 4.5 total hours with no weakness or lowering of strength even on the 3rd re-dose, completely awestruck, and this has been accomplished when I had a tolerance on monday, after having taken this stuff only 4 days earlier, I wanted to see if harmine would make a difference in lowering the developed DMT tolerance, and it did drastically.

I can only imagine what it might do when one does not have a tolerance, waiting normal 7 days or longer before using the sublingual HPBCD DMT again, which is the way I normally use it.

Based on these findings, I encourage other future psychonauts to experiment with adding in some 200mg harmine either orally or alternately 30mg harmine used 1/2 hour sublingually before using the sublingual HPBCD DMT...to lower the body's overall MAO system defenses for the entire course of these sublingual HPBCD DMT re-doses all evening long, as this single taking of only 1 dose harmine works incredibly well for the entire evening, a good 5 hours total in my experience. I am able to maintain Shulgin level 5 strength for each of the 3 re-doses with ease, even with a developed tolerance, even though I plan to go back to my normal zero tolerance 7 to 9 day time-frame between doses. I will again experiment with usage of the single dose harmine even without a developed tolerance in the future.

This single usage of either one-time dose 200mg oral harmine or one-time dose sublingual 30mg harmine is ground-breaking in my experience in lowering any developed DMT tolerance, and further in potentiating the strength levels of these already powerful sublingual HPBCD DMT doses by lowering the body's system-wide MAO defenses for a good 5 hours total during the evening of every 1.5 hour HPBCD DMT re-doses, even when there is no tolerance in play.

I am especially thankfull to Loveall for mentioning to me months ago about the potential inclusion of 25 to 30mg sublingual harmine experimentation beforehand. It just took me a while to finally implement it properly, and especially glad I did finally.
 
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#68 Posted : 7/17/2021 3:09:34 PM

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The end. Complete summary of this entire paper in 2 pages. Includes everything I've learned in 3 months working with this new discovery:

DMT molecular weight = 188 g/mol
HPBCD molecular weight = 1300 g/mol
2-hydroxy PBCD molecular weight = 1500 g/mol

1:1 molar ratio dmt to HPBCD = use 1:7 gram weight ratio dmt to HPBCD
1:1 molar ratio dmt to 2-hydroxy PBCD = use 1:8 gram weight ratio dmt to 2-hydroxy PBCD

1. put 60mg DMT freebase on a spoon

2. cover with 480mg of the 2-hydroxy PBCD powder (1:1 molar ratio), use 420mg if using plain HPBCD (hydroxy propyl beta cyclodextrin), a kilo is dirt cheap from China, cost of 4 movie tickets, and will last a lifetime for yourself and friends.

3. add 10 drops of near boiling hot water from a coffee mug

4. stir, scrape, and mash it all together for 2 minutes...knead/mash/scrape using end of another spoon...Use your muscles to scrape/mash it all together, just stirring or mixing alone is not good enough. It will form a liquid sticky gel-like complex that can even be sucked up into a 3ml syringe and stored in freezer. 10 drops complex will fill it up to the 0.5ml line. I pre-prepare x 3 of these syringes ahead of time for the evening so I don't have to stop and make one every 1.5 hour while I'm tripping.

5. dry bottom of tongue and top of sublingual mucosa with a tissue.

6. put bottom side of tongue onto spoon, it will all adhere to bottom of tongue, or you can shoot a syringe under tongue.

7. Hold in sublingual mucosa under tongue for 15 minutes, it will all dissolve, I've done this enough times to notice it all dissolve in 15 minutes, even 110mg complexed DMT dissolves in 15 minutes sublingually. Spit out any saliva after 15 minutes instead of swallowing it. If it's too uncomfortable before the 15 minutes is over, tilt forward & gently relieve the saliva into a cup while still holding what's under your tongue without releasing it.

There is a mild to moderate sting during the 15 minutes, but I actually like it and it does not bother me at all. If you find this too much, you can always just add the HPBCD DMT from off the spoon to a 1 oz hot water tea which already has 200mg harmine and from 150mg to 300mg THH already dissolved into it, use 100mg of crushed vitamin C to help dissolve the harmals should they be in freebase form. Drink it all at the exact same time just as the Shaman's do for an experience that is many factors stronger than plain freebase DMT or DMT salts, the HPBCD DMT is just like using 30 to 40g of Hawaiian psychotria, it is all encompassing just like the leaf and very strong.

8. 22 minutes after you begin all this, (1/2 the time of an oral dose) you will go from baseline to full throttle, 60mg DMT will take you to a level 3.5 on Shulgin strength scale.

9. So long as you took 150mg to 300mg of tetrahydroharmine 45 minutes earlier, it will double the half-life of the DMT, so you get a full strong 90 minutes out of it. Update 7/16/2021: Take sublingual 35mg freebase harmine complexed to 210 HPBCD (use 280mg if using 2-hydroxy PBCD) in 10 drops boiling hot water, mixed/crushed then held under tongue for 15 minutes around the same time you take the THH to "super-turbo" charge the strength of all 3 HPBCD DMT sublingual doses for the evening. Just one single harmine dose early on will last for 5 to 6 hours. Alternately, you can take 200mg of oral harmine instead around the same time you take the THH.


From 5-19-21: 60mg DMT complexed to 420mg HPBCD sublingual report dosed x 3 times every 1.5 hour


Full Journey trip report:

Keep in mind using DMT salts sublingually does not work. The HPBCD complexed DMT works extremely well, the outer water soluble sugary like tasting HPBCD keeps the freebase DMT trapped inside it's non-polar cone, so as the complex sits under the tongue for 15 minutes...

...you feel a mild to moderate sting for around 15 minutes as the HPBCD releases the DMT directly into the bloodstream from the mucosa membrane under the tongue (only 100 microns thick) as the freebase, only as the freebase will it reach from the bloodstream to the brain with maximum effects. I don't have all the answers, I only know it works extremely well. The tongue is completely fine after, and it's as if nothing happened the next day, 100% no scarring or burning, totally normal.

Be sure to press down with tongue the whole time to trap the sticky complex in the sublingual mucosa.

Give this a try...follow 2 step instructions, 60mg DMT complexed to 420mg HPBCD (use 480mg if using the 2-hydroxy PBCD) with 2 minutes stirring, mashing & kneading all of it hard (to force the DMT into the tornado like HPBCD cone) using your muscles on a spoon with 10 to 12 drops very hot water, put bottom of tongue on to spoon, it will all adhere...and hold for 15 minutes in the sublingual mucosa, begins to work in 22 minutes...at the end of the 15 minutes, I spit out any saliva that's collected in mouth into a cup instead of swallowing, for me this has been less than 1/4oz or around less than 15ml saliva. As I gently spit out the saliva, I will keep any tiny residual amount still trapped or pressed down under tongue for another 5 minutes usually, but I have noticed most of the time, it all dissolves within 15 minutes.

...and is VERY STRONG...I experienced 90 minutes of very strong effects, pupil dilation maxed out, strong tryptamine body buzz high frequency, heavy CEV imagery, open eyed beauty profound, music sounds incredible...feels identical to if I had taken 60mg DMT complexed to HPBCD orally with 200mg harmine with 300mg THH, of course I always take 300mg THH orally any time I do this using the sublingual DMT.

I recommend not using more than 250mg of THH if it is your first time. 250mg of THH causes zero dizziness and ZERO nausea, but 300mg will cause a tiny bit of dizziness for a short time if you are not used to it. I am used to it, so I get no dizziness at 300mg.

The effects were so INCREDIBLE, I RE-DOSED 60mg of DMT complexed to 420mg HPBCD x two more times the same night, every 1.5 hours...it was the bomb...I was in 7th heaven.Smile

...never before have I had such insane visuals all night long...all the way till 5am in the morning I was seeing closed eye visions of slow and high speed movies...I saw brightly colored serpents, dungeons I traveled thru, many Mesoamerican pyramids, women of incredible beauty, Japanese landscapes, dancing geometrics, many different animals on a rotating globe, walking on the planet-like globe as it spun, hundreds of visions like slow and high-speed movies over the course of many hours.

I saw the interiors of many magnificent homes, exposed like a camera flash went off, then off to the next home interior, bizarre alien looking creatures, I saw ancient ruins but they were seen as they were before they fell apart. All sorts of architectural wonders appeared that I could not make out exactly what time period they were from.

All the visions were enchanting & manifested incredible beauty. The multi-colored beautiful serpents kept appearing several times in different forms, as if they have some prominence to do with it all, two of them had shining skin covered in gold scales and intertwined like DNA, reminds me of the Aztec quetzalcoatl myth, the "serpent of precious feathers."

...all of these visions were brightly colored due to the DMT and THH combo all night long..it was one of the most powerful psychedelic experiences of my life...and I've taken Ayahuasca x 70 times, cactus 200 times, etc...I have never had over 5 hours of non-stop CEV visions anything close to what I saw the other night...I was blown away, and will be thinking about this for a very long time...this sublingual DMT along with 300mg THH taken orally 1 hour before is my absolute favorite...there is no nausea...I wore headphones and listened to music the whole time, as the music sounded just like if I had taken a very strong cactus tea...out of this world good...I had non-stop closed eye visions all night long, insane visions...totally blown away.

I love the "oral 250 to 300mg THH + sublingual 420mg HPBCD complexed to 60mg DMT administration" as there is a complete lack of "queasiness feeling during the journey", perhaps because there is no harmine/DMT going thru the stomach & intestines...I don't know the answer for sure, but I like it.

Remember, I took 300mg of THH once early on, then every 1.5 hour I took 60mg of DMT complexed to 420mg of HPBCD sticky liquid under my tongue for 15 minutes held...so I took it x 3 times...one of the most visionary entheogenic experiences of my life.Love

Update 7/16/2021:

How to turbo-charge the strength of each 3 sublingual HPBCD DMT doses for the evening, beyond level 5 Shulgin strength, in other words "super-strong", simply by using a single dose of harmine early on, lasts a good 5 to 6 hours.

DMT molecular weight = 188 g/mol
Harmine molecular weight = 212 g/mol
HPBCD molecular weight = 1300 g/mol
2-hydroxy PBCD molecular weight = 1500 g/mol

1:1 molar ratio harmine to HPBCD = use 1:6 gram weight ratio harmine to HPBCD
1:1 molar ratio harmine to 2-hydroxy PBCD = use 1:7 gram weight ratio harmine to 2-hydroxy PBCD

If you browse the search for "sublingual harmine" there are a number of topics in which psychonauts have used around 35mg sublingual harmine to potentiate DMT to very strong levels. I used this same technique twice already, this week and the week before to potentiate the already strong sublingual HPBCD DMT to the "very strong" category, like walking thru a curtain of visuals when moving from room to room, and everything surrounded by neon colored rainbow auras and colored sparkles, with high-powered tracers, just incredibly visual open-eyed, very euphoric while still relaxing and calm just like with high dose cactus tea. Music so incredible sounding.

Never take the HPBCD harmine and HPBCD DMT sublingually all at the same time, I found out months ago the harmine interferes with the absorption of the HPBCD DMT, and the result is weak trip, always stagger.

This is the only way I will be using the sublingual HPBCD DMT from now on, by taking sublingual 35mg freebase harmine complexed to 210mg HPBCD in 10 drops boiling hot water mixed/mashed all together for 2 minutes on a spoon, then place bottomside of tongue onto spoon, it will all ahdere and held under tongue for 15 minutes, taking this 30 minutes before I take the sublingual 90mg HPBCD DMT, or alternately, one can use 200mg oral freebase harmine instead, with of course taking 300mg THH orally 45 minutes before the sublingual process as always. Only freebase harmine can be complexed to HPBCD.

I'm blown away by the strength of the sublingual HPBCD DMT this way. It's like taking it to the next level strength, beyond the Shulgin level 5 strength. Taking the sublingual 35mg HPBCD harmine just once (one dose early on) is enough to make all three sublingual HPBCD DMT doses for the evening extremely powerful, with each strong dose lasting 1.5 hour...but the HPBCD complexed harmine seems to leave this lasting effect for a good 5 hours. I attribute this to the harmine's power to "lower all the body systems MAO defenses" for an extended 5 hour period of time.

Dr. Narang in the attached paper on page 1 explains how the "sublingual route can be up to 3 to 10 times greater than oral route", I think this is what is making the sublingual 35mg harmine x 6 average (3 + 10 divided by two) seem to have the strength of around 200mg of oral harmine. I highly recommend this approach for really phenomenal journeys.

Always remember, colors will only be neon-colorful, music will only sound bad-ass incredible, beauty enhancement will be "over the top" and actresses on TV will look like dazzling glowing super-colorful cartoon versions of themselves (just like with high dose cactus tea) only if you include the THH. Important teamwork takes place with THH + DMT. In my experience, THH also doubles the half-life of the DMT, so you get a full 90 minutes out of each HPBCD DMT dose. THH has numerous similarities to mescaline, and has a 10.5 hour half-life with peak at 5 hours. You can even re-dose more sublingual HPBCD DMT x 2 more times (every 1.5 hour) at night for a 4.5 hour total strong experience with long afterglow.

You can either take a sublingual 35mg HPBCD harmine dose or take an oral 200mg harmine dose around 1/2 to 1 hour before beginning all this (around the time you drop the oral THH), either way, you are in for a treat.

Not only does harmine increase the strength of the 1st and two subsequent sublingual HPBCD DMT re-doses every 1.5 hour, but it adds a unique signature in this context which I find most magical, a feeling that the protective allies are smiling down on me, a feature I've always experienced in the past with cactus tea just like DM Turner. Also makes one feel as if they are relaxing in a hot tub.

One thing I should mention is that I don't smoke DMT, so it could be that if anyone is trying to experience this within days of smoking DMT, you are most likely in for an extremely weak journey due to DMT immunity or tolerance.

300mg oral THH 45 minutes before then sublingual 60mg DMT complexed to 420mg plain HPBCD (480mg if using 2-hydroxy PBCD) in 10 drops boiling hot water always gives me a strength level of around 450mg of mescaline or 150 mics of acid (buy way more aesthetic and beautiful than acid). It lasts for 1.5 hour.

My dosage is 300mg oral THH 45 minutes before then sublingual 90mg DMT complexed to 630mg plain HPBCD in 10 drops boiling hot water mashed together for 2 minutes...gives me a strength level of 700mg of mescaline for 1.5 hour, then I re-dose x two more times every 1.5 hour with more sublingual 90mg HPBCD DMT.

When I added in the 200mg of harmine taken at the same time as the 300mg of THH, I had zero nausea, but I am used to these kind of dosages...then I dosed sublingual 90mg DMT complexed to 630mg plain HPBCD, it was beyond the strength of 700mg of mescaline, when walking to another room, there was a curtain of visuals along the way, alternating neon colors on all the walls, neon colored rainbows and colored sparkles surrounding everything and geometrics with open or closed eyes, insane open eyed beauty, wild tracers & music very incredible sounding, just blown away. I watched movies all night and was in Heaven, powerful euphoria and enjoyment of it all, actresses on screen looked like dazzling, glowing super-colorful cartoon caricatures of themselves, the beauty was breath-taking.

A beginner at this is going to want to use 150mg THH orally and 150mg harmine orally, then slowly advance up to 150-300mg THH and 150-200mg harmine if desired, or just stay at the lower doses. Delete the harmine or include it, it's up to you. I'm at the advanced point where I'm using the harmine to rocket fuel the journeys.

It hit extremely hard out of nowhere at the 22 minute point, went from sober to full throttle in an instant and stayed there 1 and 1/2 hour...I was not expecting this kind of strength, but even did this on a second week, and again same effect... I had no idea the harmine would lower the overall body mao defenses this powerfully for a full 6 hours...honestly, I was blown away, and still trying to figure out how this strength is possible. I kept re-dosing every 1.5 hour and still the same mind-blowing strength and 1.5 hour duration.

It was beyond anything I've experienced when using the HPBCD DMT orally with 200mg harmine and 300mg THH...the sublingual 90mg HPBCD DMT was immensely powerful, I will be satisfied with this for the rest of my life to replace high dose cactus tea at home, which has become very expensive and rare. This is dirt cheap and identical to me to high dose mescaline.

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Table of contents (parts 1-14):

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...spx?g=posts&t=96861

2 minute formed HPBCD DMT liquid very bioavailable sublingually under tongue & outperforms DMT salts orally by many factors in personal trials, combo with tetrahydroharmine, Ayahuasca.

Part 1: HPBCD complexed DMT experimental dosage, effects & duration
Part 2: receptorome chart & explanation
Part 3: Tetrahydroharmine (THH) effects
Part 4: Tetrahydroharmine receptorome similarities to mescaline; potentiates cactus & safety note
Part 5: chemist Patrick Arnold's HPBCD prohormones & bloodwork studies
part 6: Dr. Narang: "with sublingual" or "under the tongue" better than buccal, gingival & palatal
part 7: a little bit on my 70 Ayahuasca experiences, doses & visions
part 8: New research: Morning glory contains 5 stimulating LSD-like drugs, soluble only in wine/alcohol, only sparingly soluble in water.
part 9: 20 minute visionary visit from a dead Aztec Shaman
part 10: One way to make tetrahydroharmine
part 11: How to easily extract 2.3g DMT from 170g bark using a 2 liter Erlenmeyer flask

Latest findings:

part 12: update 5-12-21 see post #25, ORAL AYAHUASCA REPORT: 70mg DMT complexed to 490mg HPBCD in 10 drops very hot water formed 0.500ml solution after 2 minutes of kneading/mashing on a spoon: solution mixed into 2oz hot water solution of 200mg harmine + 250mg THH resulted in +5 Shulgin scale Shocked experience IDENTICAL to 30 grams potent Hawaiian psychotria brew (Having taken 30 to 40 grams of Hawaiian psychotria with Caapi over 70 times over a period of many years).

70mg HPBCD DMT absorbed several factors better than oral freebase DMT or DMT salts (all were mild +3 Sad experiences in a dozen trials, due to poor oral body absorption). The HPBCD DMT out performed and absorbed better than the dozen DMT salt experiments (70 to 120mg) I performed years ago. The results are similar to several papers I have read in which HPBCD was used to enhance the absorption of oral pharmaceuticals over their normal oral absorption by many factors.

Example: HPBCD improves oral absorption profile for Ofloxacin, a second generation fluroquinolones by 54 to 89 percent.

part 13: Oral 300mg THH taken 45 minutes earlier, then sublingual 60mg DMT complexed to 420mg HPBCD with 10 drops very hot water on a spoon with 2 minutes of mashing & stirring held under tongue for 15 minutes: PHENOMENAL strength, active for 90 minutes, profound open eyed beauty, heavy CEV imagery, music incredible, very euphoric. See post #42 at top of page 3.

Part 14: (page 2 post #32) 300mg Tetrahydroharmine (THH) teaching visions all by itself

Part 15: (page 3 post #53) How HPBCD DMT was discovered with the help of Ayahuasca

Part 16: (page 9 post #170) Approximately 0.25% mescaline in PC san pedro cactus tea

Pic1: Neon colored rainbow auras and colored sparkles surround everything.

Pic2: 3ml syringe and puppy dog sunglasses storage case for syringes. The syringe's liquid complex becomes re-flowable again after sitting at room temp for a short while, in case it has been pulled from freezer storage.

Pic3: Woman sitting on the Eleusis ruins of ancient Greece where the sacred Kykeon entheogenic beverage was drank in ritual for nearly 2,000 years. In its heyday, up to 3,000 initiates could be received at a time.

pic4: Spirit animals watch on & guide the process as 2-step HPBCD DMT for sublingual use with oral THH Ayahuasca is prepared with meditation, prayer & intentions. Table showing subjective DMT strength from 20 to 80mg.

pic5: 3ml syringe filled with 10 drop (0.5ml) of the HPBCD liquid complex (80mg DMT complexed to 560mg plain HPBCD, use 640mg if using 2-hydroxy propyl beta cyclodextrin, 1:1 molar ratio = 1:7 weight gram ratio if using plain HPBCD from China, 1:8 weight ratio if using more common 2-hydroxy PBCD).

attached paper 1: sublingual route can be up to 3 to 10 times greater than oral route.

attached paper 2: When vegetals (UDV, Santo Daime, native Shuar Indian) are consuming one cup of Ayahausca tea, they are getting 150mg average THH dose, when 2 cups are drank for evening (very common), they are consuming 300mg THH. Dennis Mckenna Ph.D: page 115: "Thus, tetrahydroharmine may prolong the half-life of DMT by blocking it's intraneuronal uptake, and hence, its inactivation by MAO, localized in mitochondria within the neuron." In my experience, THH doubles the half-life of the dmt.

Summarized this entire paper above in 2 pages with everything I've learned over 3 months, even how to take this 90mg sublingual HPBCD DMT to "the next level strength" above Shulgin level 5 strength, which is how I use it from now on. Potentiates the already strong sublingual HPBCD DMT to the "very strong" category, like walking thru a curtain of visuals when moving from room to room, and everything surrounded by neon colored rainbow auras and colored sparkles...with high-powered tracers, just incredibly visual open-eyed, it hits extremely strong like out of nowhere at the 22 minute point, often sooner, very euphoric while still relaxing and calm just like with high dose cactus tea. Music so incredible sounding, this is of course with taking 300mg THH orally 45 minutes before hand, feels like 700mg plus of super-mescaline, so if you need something to print out to follow, post above would be the one.

Pic6: Ancient ruins & 10mg pure THH grabbed with a wet cue-tip used to draw on a paper plate under blacklight, blue glow.

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