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Psychedelics Promote Structural and Functional Neural Plasticity: Now what? Options
 
dragonrider
#21 Posted : 9/27/2018 7:48:36 PM

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I'd tend to argue that your average blue collar, television news media and pharma medication fed Joe-6-pack probably has much moar potential to benefit from the psychedelic insight than the highly intelligent, university educated, open-minded explorer types that tend to self select in seeking these things out.

Then again...
Terence Mckenna wrote:
One problem for stupid people is that they don’t get much from the psychedelic experience because they can’t understand the point of it. The psychedelic experience feeds off intelligence. It’s a consciousness expanding drug and if you don’t have consciousness, you have nothing to expand.

The question was whether joe 6-pack would benefit from, or harmed by, exposure to the psychedelic experience.

There is much to be said for both.

But though i wasn't around in the 60's, my impression is that the net result of the psychedelic hype back then, still was positive. In spite of all the negatives that also where a result of what happened in those days.

If psychedelics would never have become that popular, LSD might have never become illegal.

But i think the positive impact psychedelics have had on our culture should not be underestimated either.

Maybe joe 6-pack was never meant to take psychedelics himself. But maybe just the realisation that he COULD, that if he would realy want to, there is a whole new universe waiting for him there, just around the corner, would be enough. Enough to be more open to all of the other possibilities he has.
 

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#22 Posted : 9/27/2018 10:45:31 PM

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dragonrider wrote:
...The question was whether joe 6-pack would benefit from, or harmed by, exposure to the psychedelic experience...

Most likely: the one would, the other not so.
To be honest: I would not have given myself a good wide chance when looking back at myself half a lifetime ago. Embarrased

 
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#23 Posted : 9/28/2018 1:24:35 PM

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The thing is there are very intelligent Joe 6-packs out there.

I think that in general, any group of people can be effectively conditioned to behave in a certain way: What we buy into when young stays with us, we seek to reinforce it as we grow for cognitive comfort. We also feed off each other and our group who are in a similar cultural construct. We will ignore the flaws and damage from our cultural tenets while focusing on the positives to validate our flawed beliefs.

Put a very intelligent baby in a Joe 6- pack culture and she will likely just end up being a very good Joe 6-pack. During the height of the Nazi regime, the intelligent people did not usually reject the Nazi ideology, instead they just became very good Nazis.

The shock I got from psychedlics was being shown how many of my preconceived notions that I held in high regard were really unfounded and ridiculous. For example, I used to think that science was the untilate authority in everything and that spirituality was a waste of time. Those arrogant notions where crushed in an instant by a pshychedelic brain with enhanced connections.

The hard part came after, coming to terms with how wrong and arrogant I had been for many years. That process is still ongoing.

We can now directly observe improved structural and functional neural plasticity afforded by psychedelics. In basic empirical terms, they seem to be psysically healthy and beneficial. The more difficult question is: How do we integrate enhanced individual conciousness with our flawed and vulnerable cultural constructs we tend to get trapped into? Facing this dilemma is hard at both the personal and collective level.
“... (a) psychedelic substance occasionally causes psychotic behaviour in people who have not taken it.”
Excerpt from a McKenna talk transcript / audio.
 
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#24 Posted : 9/29/2018 10:47:20 AM

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The shock I got from psychedlics was being shown how many of my preconceived notions that I held in high regard were really unfounded and ridiculous. For example, I used to think that science was the untilate authority in everything and that spirituality was a waste of time. Those arrogant notions where crushed in an instant by a pshychedelic brain with enhanced connections.


Good point !
The true risk with psychedelics is that they induce one's subjective sensation of reconnection with his own nature, his own authority and so this person will not respect any kind of paternalist authority based on imposition of social or moral rules anymore. He will become god himself, immortal and will only respect his own inspiration.

Psychedelics are the enemies of control over nature. Someone who want to control someone else (because of unconscious fear of himself) will want to control the use of psychedelics.

Diversity in unity is the true richness and it scares a lot of people to accept difference. We say "I am more this, or less that, he is not as ... as..." But the real truth is that we are just all different and all together. If you respect that you do not create rules to control what somebody is doing.

I ask to everyone who think that human laws over natural ones are useful to explain why. What justify controlling natural behaviors ?
 
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