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Quest for most potent cactus - from seeds with help of pereskiopsis grafting Options
 
downwardsfromzero
#261 Posted : 10/17/2019 10:45:30 PM

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I have one like this too. It took me eight years to get it to root.


Are you serious downwardsfromzero? It had to dry off by that time, no?

I am entirely serious. It was heavily crusted which contributed both to its slow root development and its ability to remain hydrated. I was given it when my son was one year old and it finally rooted last year when he was nine. In between it was rested in damp sand and damp compost (but only after I'd kept it on a shelf for 2 years) so it may well have absorbed some water through its skin.

To be fair, it may have started developing the first hint of a root the previous year, but still - it's been pretty tenacious and I'd be interested to see how it shapes up potency-wise.

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#262 Posted : 10/17/2019 11:33:52 PM
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Grey Fox wrote:
Everyone will have to find the conditions and microclimates that work best for their location. Regarding CAM I think that the 70F cut off may not be totally accurate. If we look at the monthly averages for a city like Phoenix we see that 4 months out of the year the average low temps are above 70F.

https://www.rssweather.c...limate/Arizona/Phoenix/

And yet many different kinds of cacti are grown there and thrive, especially when irrigated and fed in landscape settings. I find it hard to believe that for the 4 summer months those cacti are unable to photosynthesize, even though they are growing and flourishing in people's yards during that time, not to mention that cacti grow in the wild all around that area.


I was never referring to ALL cactus or to cactus that are native to the Phoenix area. The 70 degrees that I read about was referring to South American mountain cactus that thrive in a very specific climate where it is cool year round and they don't require shade to stay green in their natural environment where they reach 20 feet tall. As already discussed, arid desert and native Southwest lowland cactus species evolved under very different conditions and metabolize in a much higher temperature range. Most South American Trichs (except for PC) aren't versatile as a general landscaping cactus in the desert southwest.

The following study demonstrated that with increasing night temperature, CO2 exchange rate and organic acid accumulation was decreased for 2 CAM species, and one species completely lost nocturnal CO2 uptake under a high night temperature:

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1626/pps.9.10



I agree with coAsTal, if you would like to continue discussing this topic we should open a new thread.
 
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#263 Posted : 10/18/2019 12:31:01 AM

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I dont really need to start another thread in order to establish that CAM photosynthesis does not cause sunburn in greenhouses, etc, etc.

Pete I'm sorry to be apologizing a second time for taking up too much space in your thread. It wont happen again. I wish you all the best with your project.
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#264 Posted : 10/19/2019 2:45:25 PM

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PS I'm loving all the great information that has been discussed in this thread!


I am glad it is of value for someone Smile
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#265 Posted : 10/19/2019 2:56:29 PM

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Pete I'm sorry to be apologizing a second time for taking up too much space in your thread. It wont happen again. I wish you all the best with your project.


Cheers mate.
No prob at all Fox, I don't consider it my thread. No need to create another one.
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pete666
#266 Posted : 10/23/2019 6:13:37 PM

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Here we go ... 23 days graft to pup
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#267 Posted : 10/23/2019 6:16:24 PM

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These double areole to top grafts seem to be the best way of grafting of tricho to the peres. I did two of them and they both have taken the best.
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#268 Posted : 10/23/2019 7:18:46 PM

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I wish I could do that, but my climate is too cold for pereskiopsis, while being borderline mild enough for pachanoi, peruvianus and bridgesii.
 
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#269 Posted : 10/23/2019 7:30:33 PM

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pete666 wrote:
These double areole to top grafts seem to be the best way of grafting of tricho to the peres. I did two of them and they both have taken the best.



Masterful work, Pete-- my peres is almost set up well enough that I will begin my charter graft within the week, and it will be thanks to you and our deeply missed friend Wakinyan (pray he is well, wherever he has gone)
 
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#270 Posted : 10/23/2019 8:16:45 PM

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Jagube wrote:
I wish I could do that, but my climate is too cold for pereskiopsis, while being borderline mild enough for pachanoi, peruvianus and bridgesii.


It is fun. I like these plants, their will to grow is awesome!
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#271 Posted : 10/23/2019 8:28:02 PM

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Masterful work, Pete-- my peres is almost set up well enough that I will begin my charter graft within the week, and it will be thanks to you and our deeply missed friend Wakinyan (pray he is well, wherever he has gone)


Thanks coAsTal, I was missing this piece in my puzzle. Slab grafts allowed to make about 15-20 grafts from one 160g specimen, but slab grafts could be only done with tricho rootstock, not directly with peres. And the availability of rootstocks made of peres with tricho is limited. The only way how I can make them is grafting seedlings. But once I get the specimen with desired potency, there is no need to graft seedlings. So the question was : how to graft directly to peres?

I hope you will keep us informed about your grafting adventures!

And Wakinyan ... yes. He is a real grafting guru, I would not be hesitant to call him a grafting legend. If there is anything I know about grafting, it is from him and his advices found around the internet. I hope he is doing well too...
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coAsTal
#272 Posted : 11/14/2019 3:32:08 AM

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Pete, would love to see some updated pics of your graft work-- I am in the process of moving so I have decided to delay my beginning grafting efforts until I get everything moved and settled into a new place.
I was afraid of any possible trauma during the move harming the stock or scions if I started here. I'm hoping to get going in about 2 weeks time.
It isn't a bad thing though, because my peres have been continually growing like the weeds they are-- most of the little 5-6" runts I started with have become strong, well-rooted plants. Some that I put in larger pots are foot tall monsters-- which I plan on halving and re-rooting once in the new place and keeping the train of propagation stock choo-choo-ing through the winter.



 
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#273 Posted : 11/14/2019 3:32:48 PM

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coAsTal, sorry to have to say that, but my life situation has changed significantly and I had to cancel all my efforts in the "entheogen area".
Needless to say how hard this is for me, I have invested a lot of time, effort and money and now simply have to let it go. But this is how life sometimes is...

Regarding last grafting attempts ... 100% of single areolas grafted to the top of another tricho have taken. 100% of double areolas grafted to the top of peres have taken - this is the suggested way. Only one areola grafted to peres areola has taken - this is the least suggested way.
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#274 Posted : 11/14/2019 4:19:24 PM

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