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So I got here. Looking for an alt salt because we want capsuled pharma. What about malic acid or even anhydrous : aceteic, or citric acid Saturated acetone?? . Any insight would help I suppose
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00:14:55 ‹Steven sandhill›Hey!
00:15:17 ‹Steven sandhill›I have no access here in Canada other than eBay for fumeric acid
00:15:51 ‹Steven sandhill›Plz help. Why am I reading all this shiz of ppl with dmt hcl or xmt
00:15:55 ‹Steven sandhill›Oops
00:16:04 ‹Steven sandhill›Or dmt phosphate or sulfate
00:16:31 ‹Steven sandhill›Is there ANY way of xtalizing it into one of these salt forms
00:17:51 ‹Steven sandhill›I've tried with 33 ° muriatic and evap just goo
00:19:25 ‹Steven sandhill›I have 85% phosphoric acid can I evap out of that or do like an aqueos dilute specific acid (phosphoric, sulferic, hcl) saturated acetone ?
00:19:43 ‹Steven sandhill›I've tried with hcl and no luck
00:21:33 ‹Steven sandhill›Pls I could really use a mentor here .
00:22:04 ‹Steven sandhill›How is there posts of these forms of dmt but also posts of how it's impossible
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00:24:50 ‹2c-baron›you cannot evaporate phosphoric or sulfuric acids
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00:27:09 ‹2c-baron›dissolving it in acetone and salting might work
00:27:23 ‹2c-baron›but its unknown if those salts form good crystals
00:27:54 ‹2c-baron›pretty sure sulfuric doesn't, so phosphorous wouldnt either
00:28:06 ‹Steven sandhill›Saling with NaCl?
00:28:10 ‹2c-baron›phosphates are rarely good salts
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00:29:04 ‹Ulim›what crystals do you want to make?
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00:29:26 ‹Ulim›imo freebase are best crystals anyways
00:29:38 ‹Ulim›and i do think the goo is because you destroyed your dmt
00:29:45 ‹Ulim›from overacidfin
00:29:48 ‹Steven sandhill›Ones I can capsule for pharma to share at gatherings
00:30:06 ‹Steven sandhill›No goo ain't practical to capsule
00:30:30 ‹Ulim›did you justpour the 33% acid onto the dmt
00:31:30 ‹Steven sandhill›I read to dilute so I diltued a couple drops into about 2o ml h2o
00:31:39 ‹Steven sandhill›Also tried it straight
00:32:15 ‹Steven sandhill›Can we eat/cap freebase after maoi ?
00:32:26 ‹Ulim›ye
00:32:32 ‹Steven sandhill›My reading suggest not....
00:32:36 ‹Ulim›but i do think you messed up the dmt so hard
00:32:39 ‹Ulim›its gone
00:32:44 ‹Steven sandhill›Okayyyy
00:32:51 ‹Ulim›Steven sandhill your stomach has HCl in it too
00:33:02 ‹Ulim›almost all freebase will get turned to hcl anyways
00:33:03 ‹Steven sandhill›Yeah I only ever experiment with small amounts
00:33:33 ‹Steven sandhill›Ok so I'm good for cappd pharma don't have to sit it in ok or lemon J ?
00:33:47 ‹Steven sandhill›So I didn't loose to much spice
00:34:07 ‹Steven sandhill›I never thaugh of the hcl in stomach
00:34:16 ‹Steven sandhill›Ulim thanks homie
00:34:42 ‹Ulim›capped is no so good
00:34:48 ‹Ulim›because it needs to hit your stomach first
00:34:51 ‹Ulim›so just juice it
00:34:54 ‹Ulim›for best results
00:35:04 ‹Ulim›throw in dmt into juice
00:35:13 ‹Steven sandhill›But with FASA we can cap it ?
00:35:16 ‹Ulim›eat maoi
00:35:21 ‹Ulim›drink
00:35:23 ‹Ulim›yes
00:35:27 ‹Ulim›if its fumaric you can
00:35:27 ‹Steven sandhill›Ok
00:35:39 ‹Ulim›if you have it in HCl or in Fumarate you can just cap it
00:36:51 ‹Steven sandhill›Ok and fumeric seems to be the only salting method around for the capped method we know of correct
00:37:14 ‹Steven sandhill›(for the average kitchen alchemest)
00:37:49 ‹Steven sandhill›Ulim respect 2c-baron respect
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Boundary condition
 
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Some people claim to have crystallised DMT citrates. The problem with pretty much all DMT salts is that they're hygroscopic. You'd have to experiment with malic or other organic acids yourself. Be sure to report your findings! “There is a way of manipulating matter and energy so as to produce what modern scientists call 'a field of force'. The field acts on the observer and puts him in a privileged position vis-à-vis the universe. From this position he has access to the realities which are ordinarily hidden from us by time and space, matter and energy. This is what we call the Great Work." ― Jacques Bergier, quoting Fulcanelli
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maleic is your best bet Expect nothing, Receive everything.
"Experiment and extrapolation is the only means the organic chemists (humans) currrently have - in contrast to "God" (and possibly R. B. Woodward). "
He alone sees truly who sees the Absolute the same in every creature...seeing the same Absolute everywhere, he does not harm himself or others. - The Bhagavad Gita
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Posts: 4 Joined: 11-Jun-2017 Last visit: 26-Jul-2018 Location: Canada
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Yeah I would think malic acid would be better bet as well it's very a very close mole comparison I believe. "Quote I heard this from a friend of a fiend" I'm gonna try it out. I suppose I would use the same approach as FASA/FASI but I would use a substitute the fumeric for malic ? MASA/MASI
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Boundary condition
Posts: 8617 Joined: 30-Aug-2008 Last visit: 16-Apr-2024 Location: square root of minus one
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Malic and maleic are not the same!! Chemical nomenclature has its flaws  “There is a way of manipulating matter and energy so as to produce what modern scientists call 'a field of force'. The field acts on the observer and puts him in a privileged position vis-à-vis the universe. From this position he has access to the realities which are ordinarily hidden from us by time and space, matter and energy. This is what we call the Great Work." ― Jacques Bergier, quoting Fulcanelli
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You live in north America, have the internet and can't get fumeric acid? I find that hard to believe.
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