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Saidin
#1 Posted : 9/18/2009 7:15:32 AM

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Taken from http://whatreallyhappene...LES/yearoftheslave.html

Interesting perspective...



You are a slave. You probably do not realize it, but you are.

Movies and public school like to portray slaves as bound by chains and beaten with whips, creating a polarized image of slavery that can be pointed to with the comment, “You are not like that, therefore you are not a slave.” But history shows that slaves have been treated in all manner of ways, some more cruel than others, yet even with the most kind treatment, a slave remains a slave.

Setting aside the stereotyped image of a slave as a bleeding chain-bound wretch, slaves throughout history are often hard to recognize. In some cases, such as the Medieval Serfs, they were held slaves to the rulers by religious belief, and did not see themselves as slaves even though they were treated as such.The favored slaves of Asian potentates wore jewels to make a movie star gasp, yet were still slaves for all their finery and comfort.

So, what is a slave? How do we define a slave? What test do we use to tell if someone is a slave. What makes them different from free people?

Free people can say “no”. Free people can refuse demands for their money, time, and children. Slaves cannot. There is no freedom without the freedom to say “no”. If someone demands that you do something and you can say “no” and refuse to do it, then you are a free human being. If you can be forced to do something or surrender something that you do not wish to, then you are a slave. No other test need be applied.

Freedom is the freedom to say "no."

When you are forced to surrender half your life’s work to the government in ever-increasing taxes, then you are a slave. Throughout history, slaves were expected to perform the work needed for their own upkeep, then perform additional work for the rulers. For Roman slaves, the ratio of work-for-self versus work-for-rulers was about 50-50. The same ratio applied to Medieval Serfs, and even to the slaves of the American south. And, when you add up all the overt taxes, covert fees, tariffs, excises, plus the increased price you pay for products to pay the taxes of the companies that make those products, you will find that Americans are at that same “half-for-self” versus “half-for-rulers” ratio! Can you say “no” to the confiscation of half of your life? Can you even get the masters to maybe reduce the burden by a significant amount? No? Congratulations. You are a slave.

The masters have decided they want wars on anyone living over oil. The idea is that it is better for American corporations to steal the oil they need than to pay for it. Millions of Americans (and millions more around the globe) did not want the war, but the masters started them anyway, by lying to the people. Could you refuse the war? Can you refuse being lied to? No? Congratulations. You are a slave.

The rulers want your children for their future wars. Legislation for a draft is already in Congress. Can you refuse the confiscation of your children? No? Congratulations. You are a slave.

Also in Congress is legislation for a "voluntary" national service program. It is being called "voluntary" to get around the 13th amendment, but volunteerism implies a choice, and no choice is being offered here. You cannot say no. Congratulations. You are a slave.

The government has been caught lying over and over again to the people, from who really did 9-11, to the legality of the tax system, to Cheney’s Energy Task Force papers, to Saddam’s WMDs. Americans are the most lied-to people on Earth. Can you refuse to be lied to? Can you punish the liars? No? Congratulations. You are a slave.

Vote fraud is rampant in the nation, and the mandated imposition of audit-less electronic voting systems means that elections will be decided (as Stalin admitted) not by those who vote but by those who count the vote. Can you refuse a dishonest voting process? No? Congratulations. You are a slave.

Just because you cannot see the slave-chains doesn’t mean they are not there. Chains made of steel are obvious, but chains made of beliefs are not always recognized for what they are. Hitler enslaved the German people to war with a belief that Poland was about to invade. LBJ enslaved the American people to war with the belief that Vietnam had attacked the USS Maddox in the Gulf of Tonkin. Poland wasn’t invading. There were no torpedoes in the Gulf of Tonkin, but the slaves, held by invisible chains of beliefs, went to war. Millions died.

In 2003, however, the chains started to become visible. The Constitutional right to freedom of expression was confined to “free-speech” zones. A slave may have an opinion, so long as it is not expressed where it might upset the other slaves. The Constitutional right to an armed populace, the means by which the men who set up a nation of free citizens hoped to keep them free, is under constant attack from those who fear a nation of free citizens, and who will not sleep soundly until we are a nation entirely of slaves. Armed citizens can, after all, say “no” and make it stick. That was why there was a Second Amendment, to allow the people to say “no” to those who would return them to the slavery they had so recently escaped from. Other Constitutional rights and protections have been set aside. The government can now search through your private records without cause and without warrant, even break into your home and not have to tell you. Simply by declaring a citizen an enemy combatant, the government can now lock up US citizens without a charge and without a lawyer. You can be prevented from traveling simply for having the wrong name. If you purchase too much gold or take home too much cash, or hoard food, the government will take notice. Having a Farmer's Almanac is grounds for suspicion. Talking about the Constitution is now deemed grounds to suspect a terrorist link. Torture is now espoused as “necessary” to “deal with the crisis”. Were you able to refuse those changes to the Constitution? No? Congratulations. You are a slave.

The government (at all levels) has borrowed trillions of dollars and stuck your kids with the payments. Children not even born will be paying off the bills. To declare the lives of children not yet born, let alone old enough to vote, indentured to the state is slavery most obvious and odious. Can you refuse responsibility for payments on debts the government incurred without your permission? No? During the debate on TARP, more than 90% of Americans opposed using taxpayer money to help rich Wall Street con-artists escape the costly mistakes of their own making. Did Congress listen when you said "No?" Congratulations. You are a slave.

The government has borrowed so much money that it has long ago run out of gold to pledge as collateral on the debts. Starting in Nixon’s administration, natural resources were used as collateral for the mounting debts. Borrow more money, promise a chunk of public lands as collateral. These land pledges were concealed behind “Environmentalism” to disguise the real purpose. Numerous names such as “Wilderness Reserve”, “Wetland”, “Heritage River”, and so forth were used to conceal the true scale of the confiscations. But the end result was the same. Huge tracts of public land containing natural resources were walled away from the public that owned them, mortgaged to the holders of the US Government debt. We are well on our way from being citizens, to being mere tenants. Were you able to refuse having your public lands placed at risk by the US Government to cover loans you never authorized the government to make? No? Congratulations. You are a slave.

Trust funds under government control are being looted, from the Social Security trust fund to Native American trust accounts to Federal Retirement Funds. Congress pays lip service to the looting of Social Security, but considers only more taxes to cover the looted shortfall. Meanwhile, court cases over other looted trust accounts drag on without resolution. Are you able to refuse corrupt and dishonest government? No? Congratulations. You are a slave.

You are a slave because the ruling class can do what they want, take what they want, and you cannot refuse. You may have freedom to decide what TV channel to watch tonight, or just which style car you will drive to your work in, but little power over the rest of your life. Even that home you have worked to pay for over the last decade can be taken from you at a moment’s notice via “eminent domain” or the "Force Majeur" clause in your mortgage agreement, or skyrocketing interest rates. Can you refuse? No? Congratulations. You are a slave.

In October 2001 I wrote that more damage would be done to our nation by those claiming to save us from the terrorists than by any actual terrorist act. Even as Bush claimed that the terrorists hated the US because of our freedoms, he took what few remaining freedoms we had away until we are more watched, more spied on, more limited, more silenced, more taxed, and more enslaved that at any other time in our nation’s history. Not only are we slaves, we are at last starting to see that we have been slaves all along. We did not have rights, because a right cannot be taken away. What we had were indulgences, granted by the masters to the slaves, to be removed when the masters grow fearful of the slaves’ resentment and anger.

I have watched through the years as people I care about lost their homes and businesses, as the labors of a lifetime evaporated in stock market manipulations by corporate crooks. These Americans who had worked hard to achieve the American dream lost it all through no fault of their own. Our schools are broke, hospitals under-staffed, the roads and bridges and rails of the nation are crumbling while billions of dollars are given away to foreign nations, favored cronies, and the ravenous war machine. The priorities of the government that feeds on taxes seems focused everywhere but on those who pay those taxes. And we can’t seem to refuse that either.

I think the state of the nation can be summed up by the image of homeless people camped out in front of boarded up and foreclosed homes.

The United States is like that other slave empire, Rome. And I think it is headed for the same fate.

The US will eventually lose their war of conquest of the world. The US does not have enough troops to garrison the planet, and as Hitler learned much too late, merely having superior weapons isn’t going to win a war when you’ve pissed off absolutely everyone else in the world. On a more practical level, sooner or later the US will wind up at war with someone who really DOES have nuclear weapons of mass destruction. That this is the government plan is witnessed by the numerous underground facilities which have been built or upgraded in recent years. You paid for them, but you won’t be allowed in them. Such an attack on the US is small price to pay for those who promote these wars, not for America, but for another nation standing by while its victims are tricked into fighting each other.

The United States has allowed its manufacturing to decay over the last 30 years. In a major war, we lack the industrial capacity to sustain the kind of production of war material needed to prevail in a prolonged conflict. With our economy on the brink of default, our next war will likely be our last.

Minus a war, the US Government will eventually collapse as did the Soviet Union, dragged down by debt and corruption. As the final collapse looms closer, look for the looting of the nation to become even bolder than it is now. The last official act of any government is to loot the nation.

I am opposed to violence. I wish it could be avoided but I do believe that this nation is headed towards a collision between the rulers and the ruled. The government fears this as well or we wouldn’t see so much bullet-proof Lexan between us and our “public servants”. I think that the reason we have not seen it yet is that Americans have been conditioned to expect a hero or savior to come and make things right. We know things have gone wrong, but we are waiting for someone else to fix it, Superman, the cavalry riding to the rescue, Spartacus, the Messiah, Batman, What Really Happened, etc. This belief that one should wait quietly for a hero is part of the slavery mechanism, to keep you in your place, rendering unto Caesar, breeding more slaves, waiting for salvation that never comes. However, as history has shown, even the patience of an entire people can run out, and I predict that when the final upheaval comes, it will arrive as suddenly as that which occurred in Romania. In November 1989, Romania seemed stable under the rule of Nicholai Ceausescu. One month later, a sporting event erupted into a spontaneous political protest and on December 25th, Nicholai Ceausescu was tried and sentenced to death. Ceausescu proved that tyrants should not confuse silence with consent. The Romanian people finally realized that nobody was coming to save them, and they had the courage to save themselves. The collapse of the USSR was equally rapid and almost as unexpected. So shall it be in the US.

Like I said above, I hope I am wrong in my forecasts. However it is clear that the US Government is under the control of individuals intent on personal enrichment, or loyalty to a foreign nation above our own, and seeing no reason at all not to continue on their present course. Confrontation seems inevitable.

The founding fathers set up a nation in which government was by the consent of the people. We The People agreed to certain obligations, and the government we allowed to care for our national sovereignty agreed to abide by certain limits set forth in the Constitution. The present government has broken the agreement, discarding the Constitutional limits on their power and authority while at the same time piling more and more obligations onto the people. Were you able to refuse them? No? This more than any of the other reasons is why you have ceased to be a free human being, and are now a slave.

You are a slave. When you live under a government that takes your wealth and your children and lies to you to keep you docile and scares you to keep you obedient, how can it be otherwise?

You are a slave. You can stay that way, or not. It’s that simple. Nobody is coming to save you. There are no heroes, no cavalry riding to the rescue. Whether you and your children will live as slaves or as free human beings is entirely up to you.
What, you ask, was the beginning of it all?
And it is this...

Existence that multiplied itself
For sheer delight of being
And plunged into numberless trillions of forms
So that it might
Find
Itself
Innumerably.
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jamie
#2 Posted : 9/18/2009 7:43:08 AM

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damn sheeple!

I think about thi alot actaully..Many people that knwo me would prob say too mush..to the point of dwelling on it...

But I cant stop! I really believe that lots of people are so conditioned they seriousily have no idea what freedom really means..

I used to get into huge fights with my mom when I was a teenager over this very thing..liek as if we live in a "free country"...

I can't go around thinking that everything is okay all the time...somedays Ijust get so pissed off I NEED to leave and take off into he woods all day..or longer. I hate feelign that way..I dont want to be angry and agitated by the society I live in and people around me..but you know what they say.."it's better to be pissed off than pissed on"..

What do we do?? Where do we go?? I dont want to just leave this place and go somewhere else to some country where I can sit around and act rich becasue my money is worth 1000 times more at the expense of others..that untimatily solves nothing...

I have friends who live on the street..good freinds..best freinds...well not the street..they are more resourceful than that and live in the woods and stuff but still. They end up getting harrassed all the time by the police and parks people..theparks people will take they're stuff all the time if they leave it for evena few minutes out of they're site..even if they know who's it is and that they will need it later than night to evenbe at all comfortable sleeping in the woods..

Our society is assbackwards..devoid of love..doesn't give a shit about the value of a human life..and programs our children to be mindless slaves from the very day they are born..never questioning the "authority"..let alone how they got into that position in the first place...and I strongly believe that many people who talk about these things in the public eye are assisinated..

Here in Vancouver..innocent people are tazared to death for the most rediculous things...and nothing happens...There is alot of police brutality here and people seem to think that it'sokay or something..I see it more and more..people are really becomming afraid of the police in this city..andit's getting worse and worse the closer we got to the olympics..this is not a nice place to be right now..reguardless of what people hear about canada, it's not true. It's a police state. I have personally been abused physcially and verbally more than once by the police in this city for the most rediculous things..i even got caught in some twisted game of entrapment that they like to play, illegally stepping over the boundries of my rights..and when I called them on it all they did was detain me further..what power do we have?? What rights do we have??

I used to argue with my sister about this all the time as well..she is in law school and wants to be a cop..But she is so against drugs and thinks that it's like okay for them to treat people here the way they do..as long as it's against the law it's our fault if we dont listen..we deserve it..that's her mentality. I find it hard to have a conversation with here these days without getting at least a little pissed off. i know that inpart I should just shutup and pretend I dont care..but I constantly feel boxed in in this society..

Working sucks..for the most part, unless you have a job you really want..but lets face it..not everyone can have those jobs or who would do the really shitty work that pays nothing in this society to line the pockets of business men?? I worked lots of crappy constuction jobs, constantly injuring myself and being treated like shit just to pay rent until I finally went back to school..and even the school system is bullshit..

So yeah..it's a big glass prison..at least in this city it is. Complaining does basically nothing, found that out a while ago..but still I constantly feel the need to do something..to make a difference..wake people up..
Long live the unwoke.
 
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#3 Posted : 9/18/2009 11:16:11 AM

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Saidin wrote:
Taken from http://whatreallyhappene...LES/yearoftheslave.html

Interesting perspective...



You are a slave. You probably do not realize it, but you are.

Movies and public school like to portray slaves as bound by chains and beaten with whips, creating a polarized image of slavery that can be pointed to with the comment, “You are not like that, therefore you are not a slave.” But history shows that slaves have been treated in all manner of ways, some more cruel than others, yet even with the most kind treatment, a slave remains a slave.

Setting aside the stereotyped image of a slave as a bleeding chain-bound wretch, slaves throughout history are often hard to recognize. In some cases, such as the Medieval Serfs, they were held slaves to the rulers by religious belief, and did not see themselves as slaves even though they were treated as such.The favored slaves of Asian potentates wore jewels to make a movie star gasp, yet were still slaves for all their finery and comfort.

So, what is a slave? How do we define a slave? What test do we use to tell if someone is a slave. What makes them different from free people?

Free people can say “no”. Free people can refuse demands for their money, time, and children. Slaves cannot. There is no freedom without the freedom to say “no”. If someone demands that you do something and you can say “no” and refuse to do it, then you are a free human being. If you can be forced to do something or surrender something that you do not wish to, then you are a slave. No other test need be applied.

Freedom is the freedom to say "no."

When you are forced to surrender half your life’s work to the government in ever-increasing taxes, then you are a slave. Throughout history, slaves were expected to perform the work needed for their own upkeep, then perform additional work for the rulers. For Roman slaves, the ratio of work-for-self versus work-for-rulers was about 50-50. The same ratio applied to Medieval Serfs, and even to the slaves of the American south. And, when you add up all the overt taxes, covert fees, tariffs, excises, plus the increased price you pay for products to pay the taxes of the companies that make those products, you will find that Americans are at that same “half-for-self” versus “half-for-rulers” ratio! Can you say “no” to the confiscation of half of your life? Can you even get the masters to maybe reduce the burden by a significant amount? No? Congratulations. You are a slave.

The masters have decided they want wars on anyone living over oil. The idea is that it is better for American corporations to steal the oil they need than to pay for it. Millions of Americans (and millions more around the globe) did not want the war, but the masters started them anyway, by lying to the people. Could you refuse the war? Can you refuse being lied to? No? Congratulations. You are a slave.

The rulers want your children for their future wars. Legislation for a draft is already in Congress. Can you refuse the confiscation of your children? No? Congratulations. You are a slave.

Also in Congress is legislation for a "voluntary" national service program. It is being called "voluntary" to get around the 13th amendment, but volunteerism implies a choice, and no choice is being offered here. You cannot say no. Congratulations. You are a slave.

The government has been caught lying over and over again to the people, from who really did 9-11, to the legality of the tax system, to Cheney’s Energy Task Force papers, to Saddam’s WMDs. Americans are the most lied-to people on Earth. Can you refuse to be lied to? Can you punish the liars? No? Congratulations. You are a slave.

Vote fraud is rampant in the nation, and the mandated imposition of audit-less electronic voting systems means that elections will be decided (as Stalin admitted) not by those who vote but by those who count the vote. Can you refuse a dishonest voting process? No? Congratulations. You are a slave.

Just because you cannot see the slave-chains doesn’t mean they are not there. Chains made of steel are obvious, but chains made of beliefs are not always recognized for what they are. Hitler enslaved the German people to war with a belief that Poland was about to invade. LBJ enslaved the American people to war with the belief that Vietnam had attacked the USS Maddox in the Gulf of Tonkin. Poland wasn’t invading. There were no torpedoes in the Gulf of Tonkin, but the slaves, held by invisible chains of beliefs, went to war. Millions died.

In 2003, however, the chains started to become visible. The Constitutional right to freedom of expression was confined to “free-speech” zones. A slave may have an opinion, so long as it is not expressed where it might upset the other slaves. The Constitutional right to an armed populace, the means by which the men who set up a nation of free citizens hoped to keep them free, is under constant attack from those who fear a nation of free citizens, and who will not sleep soundly until we are a nation entirely of slaves. Armed citizens can, after all, say “no” and make it stick. That was why there was a Second Amendment, to allow the people to say “no” to those who would return them to the slavery they had so recently escaped from. Other Constitutional rights and protections have been set aside. The government can now search through your private records without cause and without warrant, even break into your home and not have to tell you. Simply by declaring a citizen an enemy combatant, the government can now lock up US citizens without a charge and without a lawyer. You can be prevented from traveling simply for having the wrong name. If you purchase too much gold or take home too much cash, or hoard food, the government will take notice. Having a Farmer's Almanac is grounds for suspicion. Talking about the Constitution is now deemed grounds to suspect a terrorist link. Torture is now espoused as “necessary” to “deal with the crisis”. Were you able to refuse those changes to the Constitution? No? Congratulations. You are a slave.

The government (at all levels) has borrowed trillions of dollars and stuck your kids with the payments. Children not even born will be paying off the bills. To declare the lives of children not yet born, let alone old enough to vote, indentured to the state is slavery most obvious and odious. Can you refuse responsibility for payments on debts the government incurred without your permission? No? During the debate on TARP, more than 90% of Americans opposed using taxpayer money to help rich Wall Street con-artists escape the costly mistakes of their own making. Did Congress listen when you said "No?" Congratulations. You are a slave.

The government has borrowed so much money that it has long ago run out of gold to pledge as collateral on the debts. Starting in Nixon’s administration, natural resources were used as collateral for the mounting debts. Borrow more money, promise a chunk of public lands as collateral. These land pledges were concealed behind “Environmentalism” to disguise the real purpose. Numerous names such as “Wilderness Reserve”, “Wetland”, “Heritage River”, and so forth were used to conceal the true scale of the confiscations. But the end result was the same. Huge tracts of public land containing natural resources were walled away from the public that owned them, mortgaged to the holders of the US Government debt. We are well on our way from being citizens, to being mere tenants. Were you able to refuse having your public lands placed at risk by the US Government to cover loans you never authorized the government to make? No? Congratulations. You are a slave.

Trust funds under government control are being looted, from the Social Security trust fund to Native American trust accounts to Federal Retirement Funds. Congress pays lip service to the looting of Social Security, but considers only more taxes to cover the looted shortfall. Meanwhile, court cases over other looted trust accounts drag on without resolution. Are you able to refuse corrupt and dishonest government? No? Congratulations. You are a slave.

You are a slave because the ruling class can do what they want, take what they want, and you cannot refuse. You may have freedom to decide what TV channel to watch tonight, or just which style car you will drive to your work in, but little power over the rest of your life. Even that home you have worked to pay for over the last decade can be taken from you at a moment’s notice via “eminent domain” or the "Force Majeur" clause in your mortgage agreement, or skyrocketing interest rates. Can you refuse? No? Congratulations. You are a slave.

In October 2001 I wrote that more damage would be done to our nation by those claiming to save us from the terrorists than by any actual terrorist act. Even as Bush claimed that the terrorists hated the US because of our freedoms, he took what few remaining freedoms we had away until we are more watched, more spied on, more limited, more silenced, more taxed, and more enslaved that at any other time in our nation’s history. Not only are we slaves, we are at last starting to see that we have been slaves all along. We did not have rights, because a right cannot be taken away. What we had were indulgences, granted by the masters to the slaves, to be removed when the masters grow fearful of the slaves’ resentment and anger.

I have watched through the years as people I care about lost their homes and businesses, as the labors of a lifetime evaporated in stock market manipulations by corporate crooks. These Americans who had worked hard to achieve the American dream lost it all through no fault of their own. Our schools are broke, hospitals under-staffed, the roads and bridges and rails of the nation are crumbling while billions of dollars are given away to foreign nations, favored cronies, and the ravenous war machine. The priorities of the government that feeds on taxes seems focused everywhere but on those who pay those taxes. And we can’t seem to refuse that either.

I think the state of the nation can be summed up by the image of homeless people camped out in front of boarded up and foreclosed homes.

The United States is like that other slave empire, Rome. And I think it is headed for the same fate.

The US will eventually lose their war of conquest of the world. The US does not have enough troops to garrison the planet, and as Hitler learned much too late, merely having superior weapons isn’t going to win a war when you’ve pissed off absolutely everyone else in the world. On a more practical level, sooner or later the US will wind up at war with someone who really DOES have nuclear weapons of mass destruction. That this is the government plan is witnessed by the numerous underground facilities which have been built or upgraded in recent years. You paid for them, but you won’t be allowed in them. Such an attack on the US is small price to pay for those who promote these wars, not for America, but for another nation standing by while its victims are tricked into fighting each other.

The United States has allowed its manufacturing to decay over the last 30 years. In a major war, we lack the industrial capacity to sustain the kind of production of war material needed to prevail in a prolonged conflict. With our economy on the brink of default, our next war will likely be our last.

Minus a war, the US Government will eventually collapse as did the Soviet Union, dragged down by debt and corruption. As the final collapse looms closer, look for the looting of the nation to become even bolder than it is now. The last official act of any government is to loot the nation.

I am opposed to violence. I wish it could be avoided but I do believe that this nation is headed towards a collision between the rulers and the ruled. The government fears this as well or we wouldn’t see so much bullet-proof Lexan between us and our “public servants”. I think that the reason we have not seen it yet is that Americans have been conditioned to expect a hero or savior to come and make things right. We know things have gone wrong, but we are waiting for someone else to fix it, Superman, the cavalry riding to the rescue, Spartacus, the Messiah, Batman, What Really Happened, etc. This belief that one should wait quietly for a hero is part of the slavery mechanism, to keep you in your place, rendering unto Caesar, breeding more slaves, waiting for salvation that never comes. However, as history has shown, even the patience of an entire people can run out, and I predict that when the final upheaval comes, it will arrive as suddenly as that which occurred in Romania. In November 1989, Romania seemed stable under the rule of Nicholai Ceausescu. One month later, a sporting event erupted into a spontaneous political protest and on December 25th, Nicholai Ceausescu was tried and sentenced to death. Ceausescu proved that tyrants should not confuse silence with consent. The Romanian people finally realized that nobody was coming to save them, and they had the courage to save themselves. The collapse of the USSR was equally rapid and almost as unexpected. So shall it be in the US.

Like I said above, I hope I am wrong in my forecasts. However it is clear that the US Government is under the control of individuals intent on personal enrichment, or loyalty to a foreign nation above our own, and seeing no reason at all not to continue on their present course. Confrontation seems inevitable.

The founding fathers set up a nation in which government was by the consent of the people. We The People agreed to certain obligations, and the government we allowed to care for our national sovereignty agreed to abide by certain limits set forth in the Constitution. The present government has broken the agreement, discarding the Constitutional limits on their power and authority while at the same time piling more and more obligations onto the people. Were you able to refuse them? No? This more than any of the other reasons is why you have ceased to be a free human being, and are now a slave.


what are you gonna DO about it ?
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richierich_931
#4 Posted : 9/18/2009 5:59:31 PM

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Dwhitty76 wrote:

what are you gonna DO about it ?


It only takes a spark...
Why can't the supernatural just be, natural? After all, supernatural is just a term for aspects of nature that we do not understand...

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Saidin
#5 Posted : 9/18/2009 6:25:54 PM

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Dwhitty76 wrote:

what are you gonna DO about it ?


Increase awareness of myself and others, peel back the veil. Spread the word, if one person has their awareness level increased from a post of this sort, whether you believe it or not, I have helped. I will love, both myself and my fellow human. Volunteer, give freely of my time to help others, contribute to society without the government getting a dime of my efforts.

Know that there is a better paradigm just waiting for the time when enough people become aware. Be ready to move into a new mode of being when that time comes.

It does only take a spark. Who will be the 100th monkey?
What, you ask, was the beginning of it all?
And it is this...

Existence that multiplied itself
For sheer delight of being
And plunged into numberless trillions of forms
So that it might
Find
Itself
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#6 Posted : 9/18/2009 6:58:16 PM
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I don't think we're realy slaves as long as we have the opportunity to talk openly about the corruption at the top levels of government.

If we're slaves, it's because we're slaves of poverty. If you could refuse certain ways of living without ending up on the street, then there would be more of a choice.

In many ways, the USA is realy a poor country. The majority of the people have to work realy hard to get by and after having payed all the bills it turns out your insurance doesn't cover anything you thought you was paying for all the time, etc.

But as long as you can openly debate these things, there is the possibility to change things, no matter how slowly it will take place.

That's what you see, is also the right that's being fought about.
When people show up with loaded machine guns at places where obama comes, comparing him with hitler, they try to end the freedom to openly talk about what's wrong, by means of intimidation.

Those things are going on everywhere.
That's why i think that freedom of speech comes with the moral obligation to use this it everytime you are confronted with injustice.
 
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polytrip wrote:
I don't think we're realy slaves as long as we have the opportunity to talk openly about the corruption at the top levels of government.

If we're slaves, it's because we're slaves of poverty.


We're slaves to debt, that is the means of control.

Slaves in the field could talk bad about the master all they wanted, still didn't mean it changed anything. They don't care what we say, because there are plenty out there to cry "Tinfoil Hats!" We've been talking about corruption for years now, but nothing changes. No child left with a Mind, it is ingrained in us from an early age. Of course the only way we can escape is by speaking out, but often times those people are removed or discredited...it will change one day, hopefully sooner rather than later.
What, you ask, was the beginning of it all?
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For sheer delight of being
And plunged into numberless trillions of forms
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#8 Posted : 9/18/2009 8:06:15 PM

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We are slaves inside of ourselves, slaves of our own mind, of our weaknesses and tendencies, of our lazyness and lack of patience and lack of emotional control. We have to stop blaming the government and others for the evils of the world, but work every day at becoming better ourselves.

Its in what we consume, in how we talk to those around us, in how much we try to sacrifice our ego when it wants to excessively come out, in how we act when we are pressured or in a bad situation, etc... Its not easy but Im convinced that its what I have to strive for
 
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polytrip wrote:
I don't think we're realy slaves as long as we have the opportunity to talk openly about the corruption at the top levels of government.

If we're slaves, it's because we're slaves of poverty. If you could refuse certain ways of living without ending up on the street, then there would be more of a choice.

In many ways, the USA is realy a poor country. The majority of the people have to work realy hard to get by and after having payed all the bills it turns out your insurance doesn't cover anything you thought you was paying for all the time, etc.

But as long as you can openly debate these things, there is the possibility to change things, no matter how slowly it will take place.

That's what you see, is also the right that's being fought about.
When people show up with loaded machine guns at places where obama comes, comparing him with hitler, they try to end the freedom to openly talk about what's wrong, by means of intimidation.

Those things are going on everywhere.
That's why i think that freedom of speech comes with the moral obligation to use this it everytime you are confronted with injustice.


We have this false sense of freedom here in the states, where we are given just enough to where most americans think we're "the home of the free" or don't really think they can do anything about whays going on under the veil.

You have all the major media feeding americans lies on behalf of the corperate global agenda.

how do you grow a mushroom ? - keep'm in the dark and feed'm sh*t

Essentially we are financial slaves.

If are false sense of freedom was taken away through dictatorship there would be some sort of revolt, and the puppet masters do not want that.

This paradigmn shift that more and more people are talking about (most, if not all of it surrounding 2012).....hopefully that mass thought or idea manifests into reality.

I do think the change does need to come from within....we have to change ourselves first
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#10 Posted : 9/18/2009 8:47:06 PM
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Saidin I used to think like you do about us being slaves (having to work a lifetime just to own your own home etc), until I did some research into the autonomy movement of the early 70s.

Here's my conclusion. There is genrally no such thing as "freedom". You have to work in some way to survive (unless you inherit). If you drop out of society, then you have to farm your own smallholding, so you're a slave to the smallholding... a serf because you're tied to your land and unable to travel because you have to look after your crops. If you drop out of even an agrarian lifestyle and become a hunter gatherer, now that's an even harder lifestyle and despite your hard work you may well end up dead when food runs out or you eat something you shouldn't or catch a disease etc.

The freest way to be is have loads of money so you don't have to work. Most people can't do that. The next freest way to be, is to learn how to live cheaply, with a part time job giving you just enough money without taking up all your time. Ideally doing something you enjoy and even being self-employed if it'll pay enough. But 'free' or not, it doesn't matter, what matters is that you find an optimal way to enjoy your life sustainably.
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Sorry for the double post. The message didn't show the first time. I got some message about it having to be moderated first! Is everyone getting this? It's a bit creepy being censored before you post Sad
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ohayoco wrote:
Sorry for the double post. The message didn't show the first time. I got some message about it having to be moderated first! Is everyone getting this? It's a bit creepy being censored before you post Sad


Sorry about that, you seem to be stuck in some cache page that I just updated. When you close your browser and start again it should be fixed.


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Phew, I got worried for a bit then, this thread was already a bit 'conspiracy', then when that happened to me things started feeling really 1984! Very happy
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End prohibition: www.leap.cc www.tdpf.org.uk And "Feeling Good" by David D.Burns MD is a very useful book.
 
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Nope, I've closed and re-opened and I'm still getting the your are being moderated message! 8o
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polytrip wrote:
That's why i think that freedom of speech comes with the moral obligation to use this it everytime you are confronted with injustice.


That is a really great statement..whish more people thought that way.
Long live the unwoke.
 
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ohayoco wrote:
Saidin I used to think like you do about us being slaves (having to work a lifetime just to own your own home etc), until I did some research into the autonomy movement of the early 70s.

Here's my conclusion. There is genrally no such thing as "freedom". You have to work in some way to survive (unless you inherit). If you drop out of society, then you have to farm your own smallholding, so you're a slave to the smallholding... a serf because you're tied to your land and unable to travel because you have to look after your crops. If you drop out of even an agrarian lifestyle and become a hunter gatherer, now that's an even harder lifestyle and despite your hard work you may well end up dead when food runs out or you eat something you shouldn't or catch a disease etc.

The freest way to be is have loads of money so you don't have to work. Most people can't do that. The next freest way to be, is to learn how to live cheaply, with a part time job giving you just enough money without taking up all your time. Ideally doing something you enjoy and even being self-employed if it'll pay enough. But 'free' or not, it doesn't matter, what matters is that you find an optimal way to enjoy your life sustainably.


Yes this is all true..but really you can't pass off what people are talking about here in light of the fact that we all need to do some work to get by...

We are still paying taxes out of our ass to people who sit up on they're thrones benifiting off the the hard labour of others...None should have to work 8-10 hours a a day for $8 an hour to go home and pay rediculous prices to live in tiny little rooms..

Why shoudl we even have to pay for a piece of land?? Not one is born with money lining they're pockets, yet they are still here all the same. God(or whatever you believe, nature etc) put us here..not the governments...we are forced to go work for SOMEONE ELSE before we even have a right to anything..that is backwards..we should be free to live and die how we choose..not live the way someone else chooses or suffer..as long as we do not harm others or make problems for others livelihood. A truely free country would be a truely FAIR country.

That says to me that our society doesn't value a human soul at all until it has some paper symbols to justify it...you can't hunt for food, or have the tiniest piece of land to build a home unless you first play the role of the mans slave worker...they only benifit off of our hard work...WE are the ones who really run this place..we just dont really see it..

Everyone who said that it's on us..that we mustmake the change..you are absolutily right..100%..Noone is going to do this thing for us. It's not all on the governments any more...physical and emotional strife is rampant everywhere..people treat eachother like shit becasue thats all they see around them.

Love is only thing in the end that can or will save us from where I am standing...and I know it's a hard concept to hold onto all the time..

When we speak out about these types of things..most of the time there will be people out there who get defensive and angry and even attack us back..mostly becasue it threatens the small sense of controll they are led to believe they have. It's understandable for people to get angry first abotu something they feel shatteres everyting they have beenled to belive, and basically think that they are too small to do anything anyway...all they think is "why is wont this asshole just shut up and leave me be..what can I do?"...

It gets hard to show those peopel love...but we have to have compassion for these people..for everyone. If we cannot do that that we aren't any better than what we are trying to overcome...It's all about love. Love is the only thing that can really unite us..love love love. Love is truth..truth is justice.
Long live the unwoke.
 
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One issue is that people need to iearn to love themselves before they can pass love/energy/vibes to others.

Another type of enslavement is not just financial, but also ambition for status or "keeping up with the jones's".
Who the f*ck are the jones's ??? Are they the ones with the white picket fence,with the hummer and lexus that throw coctail parties every saturday that everyone loves to go to......the jones's seem to be very popular and lots of people want to be just like them.

I think they might even have their own reality show on FOX.

If they fall anything short of being like the jones's, then they become "less than" and they equate their self worth in relation to these jones's folks, and lack to realize that they should love themselves and not the jones's status.

In the early 20th century the common consumer bought ( for the most part) things that were essential to them......things they needed to survive and mabey make life a little bit more comfortable.

This whole idea of owning what my neighbor owns was infultrated into our society by a man named Edward L. Bernays (Sigmund freud's nephew).He worked with major corperations on how to figure out how to get americans to buy stuff they don't need but think that they desire.

Here's a lil tidbit on the fellow, if you didn't know the name

http://www.eioba.com/a67...corporate_alien_control

We have allowed ourselves to become enslaved. Some people would prefer being slaves, as long as it gives them their white picket f'ing fence's, and bs status. This is a cultural disease that is viral and is so integrated into the western mind on a subconscious level.It is going to take something to break,in order for poeple/us/we to open our eyes to the lies that we've bee fed for so long.

Free your mind and your ass will follow......learn to love yourself and then pass the love along.
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#18 Posted : 9/19/2009 2:28:18 AM

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fractal enchantment wrote:

Everyone who said that it's on us..that we mustmake the change..you are absolutily right..100%..Noone is going to do this thing for us. It's not all on the governments any more...physical and emotional strife is rampant everywhere..people treat eachother like shit becasue thats all they see around them.

Love is only thing in the end that can or will save us from where I am standing...and I know it's a hard concept to hold onto all the time..

When we speak out about these types of things..most of the time there will be people out there who get defensive and angry and even attack us back..mostly becasue it threatens the small sense of controll they are led to believe they have. It's understandable for people to get angry first abotu something they feel shatteres everyting they have beenled to belive, and basically think that they are too small to do anything anyway...all they think is "why is wont this asshole just shut up and leave me be..what can I do?"...

It gets hard to show those peopel love...but we have to have compassion for these people..for everyone. If we cannot do that that we aren't any better than what we are trying to overcome...It's all about love. Love is the only thing that can really unite us..love love love. Love is truth..truth is justice.


Very well said.

The first reaction is fear or dispair or hopelessness, but that is only the beginning. You can move beyond that, you must.

Next comes love and compassion, one has to understand it is all a game, and even those who would be our jailors deserve our thanks and compassion, for they have shown us what we are not, and have helped us evolove. As you said...Love is truth, and truth is justice.
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The USA is still basically a liberal society. The thing is that it has been a great tabboo to openly talk about the forces that have tried and are still trying to end all those liberties.
You see how much racism for instance, is still a great tabboo. If someone is openly acused of racism, like this hillbilly dork, whatshisname, you see that many people find the accusation of racism a greater disgrace than racism itself.

We have those forces in the free world that want to end our freedoms and their lust for power takes them further then the democratic spread of their ideas among the population would jsutify.

What we need is a cultural renaisance. a global cultural renaisance.

All liberal, open countries should join one big free travel and trade zone. Not something like NAFTA or the EU, but also with social liberty's; the freedom to move around and live whereever you want.
Something a bit like the 'UN of democratic nations' john mcain proposed.

I think that if we would do that, we could end western civilization as we know it and organically move towards a global civilization.
We can move towards a world without war and eventually a world without poverty.

This is all very realistic. An end to war and poverty is something that could be accomplished within this century.....THIS century.
 
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Basically, in the most limited sense. It is really an illusion to keep us from realizing our true potential. Racism is just another form of divison to keep us separated from ourselves and ignorant to our true power. Your freedoms are an illusion, as we truly have no collective will. Our "elected" representatives do not have our interests in mind, but either their own, or their corporate masters. Look at the debacle of the bank bailout. We give 700 billion to banks and insurance companies, and don't even keep track of the money, it is gone and no one knows where. Then look at health care, something that would actually help the majority of people, at a cost of 90 billion a year over 10 years (the same amount we gave to financials overnight) and people start having seizures and protesting in the street...that is how deep the control goes.

We have the technology today in order to feed, clothe, house and educate every single solitary person on this planet if that was the goal of our collective society. But we do not, we are stuck in a paradigm where the pockets of the few are lined with the resources of the ALL.

I agree we need a cultural renaissance, and global cultural renaissance.

The only way that I can think of in which this could happen would be undenyable proof that we are not alone in the universe. If we were to be visited by extra-terresterials we would be forced to think of ourselves as a single community, a single family. As long as the powers that be cannot usurp this event and turn us fearful, it would be the greatest single step forward in the evolution of our species here on earth.
What, you ask, was the beginning of it all?
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Existence that multiplied itself
For sheer delight of being
And plunged into numberless trillions of forms
So that it might
Find
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Innumerably.
-Sri Aubobindo

Saidin is a fictional character, and only exists in the collective unconscious. Therefore, we both do and do not exist. Everything is made up as we go along, and none of it is real.
 
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