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Which method to choose for DMT infused nasal spray? Options
 
steppa
#1 Posted : 8/20/2013 1:24:06 PM

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Hey Nexus,

I've decided to try another ROA. Insuffilation will be my method of choice. That's because it has a quick onset but not a too long duration. And one can easily work his way up whith the dosage. At least, that's what I've learned from the existing threads.

In those threads I found two methods of preparation for a DMT infused nasal spray, which are intended to reduce the pain that can go along with insuffilating DMT in a pure form.

Now I'm unsure which method of to choose.

I wanna go for either this (whithout the harmline extract):

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He took a good amount of crystals that were stuck to the bottom of a precip jar after all the really big boys had been removed, added some hot water and a cap full of vinegar, and swirled it around until all the spice had been absorbed. He then added a few drops of harmaline extract, and mixed in less than half a teaspoon of COCONUT CREAM.


or this:

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Use enough 5% vinegar [normal store stuff] to cover and dissolve the freebase dmt, evaporate that.
You can use ~30% HCl acid by sucking some up in an eyedropper and adding just enough to cover the dmt, this will convert it to dmt hcl.
Both DMT HCl and Acetate are going to be oil/goo though, so it might be best to dissolve the product into a saline solution.


In regards of storage time I guess the second method would be better, as I think that the coconut cream could become rancid over time. But thats just a guess.

Is there any reason NOT to go with the second method?

I'm also unsure of how much DMT I should use. What I want to archive is, that first effects are recognizeable with one or two sprays per nostril. One spray would be about 0.125ml of liquid from what I've calculated.

Thanks in advance!


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#2 Posted : 8/20/2013 2:13:23 PM

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Hyperspace Fool's COCO Tek method sounds nice:

wiki wrote:
Insufflating/Snorting

Preparations to make DMT insuflation more tolerable Snorting nn DMT Snorting DMT works
Hyperspace Fool's COCO Tek For Insufflation Of DMT:

1) Take your dose of DMT and place it in a small shotglass.
2) Mix with enough mildly hot water so that 1 drop will equal 20 mg spice (use more water if needed to dissolve everything).
3) Add a touch of vinegar to convert freebase to acetate (not needed with salt spice).
4) Add a few drops of COCONUT CREAM (not oil, not water)... until solution is cloudy and white.
5) Mix thoroughly and suck it up into an eyedropper.
6) Drop the drops into your nostril while inhaling to spread them over a larger surface of your nasal mucosa.

That's it folks. No burn, and a painless route into deep hyperspace. The end product should be like 10-15 mg per drop. Make it too watery and you will have too much drip. Using a nasal spray with a fine atomizing effect is nice, but not necessary, and for small amounts of solution, maybe impractical.

The longer duration than vaped spice makes this a rather attractive ROA.

NOTE: You can go ahead and add harmalas to this tek if you want to potentiate the spice further... longer effect and less DMT required. Be warned that with enough harmalas, insufflated spice can last a long time and be more like Aya than anything else. And, of course, using this technique when already up on orally administered harmalas is fantastic.

2nd NOTE: Actual amounts and precise measurements have been avoided on purpose because this is a very flexible ROA. Given that some people only need 15mg to get effects and others require well over 100mg, and the fact that most people prefer slightly different ratios here... it makes no sense to be overly specific. Harmalas make a big difference in dosage as well. If you used vinegar, than you might want a bit more cream as well, for instance. Don't worry if it doesn't make sense to you at first. You really can't mess up with this. Just make sure you fully dissolve the spice, and cream to taste. If your drops wind up being only 5mg per drop... don't worry. The drip isn't really that bad, tbh, and you can always lean your head off of a mattress or couch to keep the solution in your nasal cavities for a while.
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steppa
#3 Posted : 8/20/2013 3:00:07 PM

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Hyperspace Fool's COCO Tek method sounds nice


Yes. It does indeed.

My problem is that I have next to zero chemistry knowledge. So maybe you can give an answer to a question regarding solubility.

Is there a difference in the solubility of DMT freebase to DMT HCL in water? My impression was, that freebase isn't too solutible in water. I don't have any idea about the solubility of DMT HCL. Could one acheive a more DMT saturated solution with DMT freebase or DMT HCL? Could anyone please comment on that?
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steppa
#4 Posted : 8/20/2013 7:17:50 PM

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Anyways... I just testet one puff of a spray made with Hyperspace Fool's COCO Tek.
One puff must be about 0.125 ml. And guess what...it works. Minor effects are recognizable.

The next test is scheduled for tomorrow. Smile

I used 100mg DMT, about 9 drops of water, 4 Drops Vinegar and about 4 drops coco cream.
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steppa
#5 Posted : 8/22/2013 11:12:28 AM

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Any tips for masking or better neutralizing the vinegar smell?
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#6 Posted : 8/22/2013 12:17:03 PM

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steppa wrote:
Any tips for masking or better neutralizing the vinegar smell?

You could use ascorbic acid? (vit C powder)...no smell.

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#7 Posted : 8/22/2013 12:21:03 PM

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you mean ascorbic acid?
 
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#8 Posted : 8/22/2013 2:10:19 PM

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you mean ascorbic acid?


I sure cyb meant this. Good idea. Thanks!

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#9 Posted : 8/22/2013 9:03:43 PM

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if you preconvert the dmt to acetate w/ vinegar, then evap the vinegar, and use it for the coco tek, i am sure the vinegar smell would be minimal.
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#10 Posted : 3/18/2019 4:17:13 AM

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Parshvik Chintan wrote:
if you preconvert the dmt to acetate w/ vinegar, then evap the vinegar, and use it for the coco tek, i am sure the vinegar smell would be minimal.


You mean mix the dmt into straight vinegar and evap it? I think the vinegar taste would still be there unless you added the bare minimal amount of vinegar. Although perhaps if they mixed the vinegar into the water and added the dmt, then left it to evaporate off the vinegar after it converts, then adding the cream, maybe that would work? Although im not sure exactly if the evaporation would work that way.
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