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Jorkest's D-Limonene & Fumaric Acid Approach Options
 
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#1 Posted : 5/21/2009 5:13:36 AM

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Jorkest's D-Limonene & Fumaric Acid Approach

This idea came around because we all hate the sticky and gooey DMT/Jungle Spice acetic salt. DMT acetate is hard to gather, it's hard to weigh, and it sticks to absolutely everything. But, DMT fumarate is solid and crystalline. Which is why SWIM wanted to figure out a way to salt out DMT & Jungle Spice from d-limonene. He then wanted to convert the DMT fumarate to the freebase.

The idea is that 630mg fumaric acid is soluble in 100ml of 25C(temp) water. Fumaric acid is also barely, if at all, soluble in d-limonene and DMT fumarate is soluble in water and not d-limonene. Also, d-limonene and water remain separate layers, which makes it easy to pull the Spice fumarate saturated water and leave behind the d-limonene.

This means if we make a fumaric acid saturated solution with water(Fumaric Acid Saturated Water=FASW), we can add this to the dmt & jungle spice saturated d-limonene and move all the spice into the water. The reason to do this is because d-limonene doesn't evaporate very well and almost always leaves an oily residue. It's not dangerous it just adds a very orangy flavor and keeps things from drying to well.

The technique that you are about to read is going to follow the lines of a STB technique, but the main part of this technique can be use in almost every known extraction process, including an A/B, DryTek and STB, but not limited to those. It can also be used for extracting from plants other than MHRB. This technique also does not call for any freezer crystallization.

Materials

80g MHRB
80+g Sodium Hydroxide
1200ml Water
150-200ml d-limonene
1g Fumaric acid(yeah, you wont use this much but whatever)
4g Sodium carbonate
Vinegar(neutralizing lye spills)
45ml MEK or acetone
anhydrous magnesium sulfate

Equipment

coffee grinder
1/2 gallon HDPE jug(half gallon milk jug works great)
1 large jar(one that can hold at least 1.5 liters)
3 smaller jars(1/2 pint will do)
small glass funnel
cotton balls
dehydrator/very very low setting on the stove(no more than 120 degrees) - a thermometer helps
stirring utensil
evaporation dish

The Process

Step 1 - Take your 80g MHRB and break it up into small pieces about 3/4 of an inch long and no more than 1/4 of an inch wide. The smaller the better.

Step 2 - Put about 25g into the coffee grinder and grind that stuff to powder. Do this for the rest of the root bark.

Step 3 - Fill your large jar with 1200ml of water and add 80g sodium hydroxide. Stir this until it becomes clear and then when it has cooled down, CAREFULLY pour this into your 1/2 gallon HDPE jug. Then stuff in your powdered root bark. Put cover on the gallon jug and HOLD THE CAP WITH YOUR THUMB and shake the piss out of it, so that everything mixes together real nice. Make sure your thumb is holding the cap down really good, you do not want lye all over yourself or your home!

Step 4 - Add between 75-100ml d-limonene to your 1/2 gallon jug with the lye tea in it. Shake the piss out of it. If the layers do not separate(like they are supposed to) add a few more grams of lye right into the jug. This should break any emulsions. Mix this stuff together for awhile, you want as much Spice to get into the d-limonene as possible. Also, adding a bit of heat should increase yields.

Step 5 - Suck up, pour off, or squeeze out the top layer of liquid, which will be the saturated d-limonene. Pour it first into one of the three smaller jars. SWIM always gets a little lye water when he does this, but the small amounts usually stick to the bottom. You should be able to get at least 50ml of the d-limonene off the mimosa tea.

Step 6 - Take your glass funnel and a piece of cotton ball. Stuff the small piece of cotton into the neck of the funnel. Pour the first jar of d-limonene through the funnel into the second small jar. Try to keep any lye water from going into the funnel, but if a little bit does, it should be caught by the cotton. Repeat steps 4-6 two more times and combine your d-limonene. Pour all of this through a filter one more time.

Step 7 - Get your third small jar and put around 75ml of WARM water in it. Add 450mg of fumaric acid to it. Stir this like crazy. There may be a few fumaric acid chunks in there but you can filter them out with a clean piece of cotton in the funnel. Pour the 75ml FASW into the filter funnel to filter out any excess fumaric acid.

Step 8 - Stir 25ml FASW into the d-limonene for at least 10 minutes. Then suck out the dmt fumarate saturated water, which will be the bottom liquid layer. SWIM usually cleans out the third small jar and puts this saturated water in it before putting the water on the evaporating plate. This is so that he can filter the water before it hits the evaporating plate. This keeps any traces of d-limonene out of the soon to be evaporated dmt water. Repeat this step two more times with 25ml fresh FASW each time.

Step 9 - Evaporate the 75ml saturated dmt water in the dehydrator or on a very very low oven setting, no more than 175F. This will result in the solid DMT fumarate. This stuff is HARD. It may be difficult to scrape up, but just use some muscle and it will come up.

Step 10 - Time to freebase. Depending on how much DMT fumarate you have been able to get, add two parts sodium carbonate. So, if you got 1g DMT fumarate, you would add 2g sodium carbonate. Then add 2-4ml of water, just enough to get it nice and wet. Stir this for awhile, it will probably bubble a little bit. Make sure any chunks get absorbed, this may take 5-10 minutes. Throw this into the food dehydrator until dry.

Step 11 - Once the freebasing is done and dried get say 45ml of MEK or acetone and add a dollop of magnesium sulfate anhydrous and stir around for a bit. This will remove any water. Then pour the MEK or acetone through a cotton filter a few times and then pour 15ml of the solvent onto your freebased spice/sodium carbonate/fumaric acid mix.

Step 12 - Pour off the solvent through a filter, try to keep any solids from getting into the filter because you want to wash them with the solvent again to make sure you got all the spice. Do steps 12 and 13 two more times with another 15ml fresh dry MEK or acteone. Throw this solvent in the dehydrator on your evaporating dish.

Step 13 - After the solvent has evaporated, your freebased spice may still look and feel gooey and honey like. What SWIM does is scrapes this gooey mess over and over and over again. Somehow this slowly makes it solidify and become a waxy tan material. It is not sticky but crumbly and dry.

Step 14 - Take a dose, melt it onto some herbs. Such as peppermint, caapi, salvia, and passionflower. Smoke that stuff! Hold it in! Hold it more!! SMILE and then exhale for a WONDERFUL trip down memory lane.

ENJOY!
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#2 Posted : 5/21/2009 5:45:40 AM
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Bravo! Yet another great, simple D-Limonene tek from Jorkest! I have been following the other thread (http://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=4785) with interest the last couple days, and to have a clear write up is awesome. SWIM cannot wait to try this tek! Now he just needs some D-Limonene...
 
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#3 Posted : 5/21/2009 8:42:04 AM

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swim has performed this tek and it is now swims favorite tek for spice - its easy, fast, fun, requires few pulls and visually rewarding Smile
antrocles wrote:
...purity of intent....purity of execution....purity of experience...

...unlike the "blind leading the blind". we are more akin to a group of blind-from-birth people who have all simultaneously been given the gift of sight but have no words or mental processing capabilites to work with this new "gift".

IT IS ONLY TO THE EXTENT THAT WE ARE WILLING TO EXPOSE OURSELVES OVER AND OVER AGAIN TO ANNIHILATION THAT WE DISCOVER THAT PART OF OURSELVES THAT IS INDESTRUCTIBLE.


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#4 Posted : 5/21/2009 3:48:15 PM

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also it doesnt require any freeze precipitation! and the yields are out of this world!
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#5 Posted : 5/21/2009 3:52:29 PM

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609mg freebase from 40g mhrb and still some pulls to go Smile
antrocles wrote:
...purity of intent....purity of execution....purity of experience...

...unlike the "blind leading the blind". we are more akin to a group of blind-from-birth people who have all simultaneously been given the gift of sight but have no words or mental processing capabilites to work with this new "gift".

IT IS ONLY TO THE EXTENT THAT WE ARE WILLING TO EXPOSE OURSELVES OVER AND OVER AGAIN TO ANNIHILATION THAT WE DISCOVER THAT PART OF OURSELVES THAT IS INDESTRUCTIBLE.


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‹Jorkest› the wall is impenetrable as far as i can tell


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He who packs ur capsules - controls your destiny.

 
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#6 Posted : 5/21/2009 3:59:56 PM

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hell yea! thats awesome! SWIM has gotten over 715mg from the first d-limo pull...from 80g MHRB..and he thinks there may be more spice left in the sodium carbonate/fumaric acid/jungle spice mix

SWIM is really excited about this stuff...its seriously the best spice hes ever smoked...its so strong..but gentle and lovely..
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#7 Posted : 5/21/2009 6:21:49 PM

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just wondering if SWIY has tested it out yet?
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#8 Posted : 5/21/2009 6:40:10 PM

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naah not yet - swim doesnt smoke spice often - he intends to go deeper soon but serious integration of his previous experiences are neccicary first.
il ask swim to ask his friend to smoke some - Test amount ?
antrocles wrote:
...purity of intent....purity of execution....purity of experience...

...unlike the "blind leading the blind". we are more akin to a group of blind-from-birth people who have all simultaneously been given the gift of sight but have no words or mental processing capabilites to work with this new "gift".

IT IS ONLY TO THE EXTENT THAT WE ARE WILLING TO EXPOSE OURSELVES OVER AND OVER AGAIN TO ANNIHILATION THAT WE DISCOVER THAT PART OF OURSELVES THAT IS INDESTRUCTIBLE.


Quote:
‹Jorkest› the wall is impenetrable as far as i can tell


Quote:
‹xtechre› cheese is great


He who packs ur capsules - controls your destiny.

 
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#9 Posted : 5/21/2009 6:43:15 PM

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SWIM thinks that 15mg might be a nice starting point for a powerful but not overwhelming(no hyperspace) experience..his 8mg test was absolutely lovely...slight visual changes..but nothing crazy..but the feeling of the stuff is just orgasmic...if anything try 8mg...its nothing scary..or anything that will take you too deep..but SWIY will get a nice feel for it..and then after the test...SWIY will be like...oh my god...this stuff is GREAT!
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#10 Posted : 5/21/2009 6:45:15 PM

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swim may actually test it if a suitable mindset arises soon (always early in the morning while its just starting to get light - in the bath)
antrocles wrote:
...purity of intent....purity of execution....purity of experience...

...unlike the "blind leading the blind". we are more akin to a group of blind-from-birth people who have all simultaneously been given the gift of sight but have no words or mental processing capabilites to work with this new "gift".

IT IS ONLY TO THE EXTENT THAT WE ARE WILLING TO EXPOSE OURSELVES OVER AND OVER AGAIN TO ANNIHILATION THAT WE DISCOVER THAT PART OF OURSELVES THAT IS INDESTRUCTIBLE.


Quote:
‹Jorkest› the wall is impenetrable as far as i can tell


Quote:
‹xtechre› cheese is great


He who packs ur capsules - controls your destiny.

 
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#11 Posted : 5/21/2009 6:50:32 PM

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that sounds wonderful..

none of SWIM's friends trust him anymore...haha well they trust him..but they all know too well the power of DMT..so nobody ever wants to try out something newSad

SWIM always feels obligated to try out stuff from techniques he comes up with..so hes gotten use to throwing caution to the wind and testing it out...but...it makes him sad that nobody else wants to experience it...its like making a beautiful sculpture that nobody wants to look at....
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#12 Posted : 5/21/2009 6:56:03 PM

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guess not everyone is ready for it
antrocles wrote:
...purity of intent....purity of execution....purity of experience...

...unlike the "blind leading the blind". we are more akin to a group of blind-from-birth people who have all simultaneously been given the gift of sight but have no words or mental processing capabilites to work with this new "gift".

IT IS ONLY TO THE EXTENT THAT WE ARE WILLING TO EXPOSE OURSELVES OVER AND OVER AGAIN TO ANNIHILATION THAT WE DISCOVER THAT PART OF OURSELVES THAT IS INDESTRUCTIBLE.


Quote:
‹Jorkest› the wall is impenetrable as far as i can tell


Quote:
‹xtechre› cheese is great


He who packs ur capsules - controls your destiny.

 
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#13 Posted : 5/21/2009 7:19:29 PM

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no...not everyone is...its just nice having a partner in crime..gives you someone to bounce ideas off of...and granted there is always this site..but there is nothing like one on one communication
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#14 Posted : 5/22/2009 8:36:01 AM

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NICE!!!SWIM was wondering if one could use anhydrous iso instead of acetone or MEK? He would like to go as natural as he can with a tek.
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#15 Posted : 5/22/2009 8:52:11 AM

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absolutely..that would work as well..but for that..you may want to do it the way SYGYZYsomething does it..

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Much better would be isopropanol. IF one were to have salted out into some vinegar or other acid, and added a shitload of sodium carbonate SLOWLY so as not to create a volcano... and then use iso, the iso would form a separate layer on top (assuming you added enough sodium carbonate to make the iso not wanna be in the aqueous layer... the more, the better). One could then separate the iso, which would contain the alkaloids, and evap it. It's not a perfect separation so there would still be a little sodium carbonate, but one can remove this by redissolving the alkaloids in anhydrous iso.
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#16 Posted : 5/22/2009 8:53:12 AM

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but perhaps just freebasing..then drying and THEN do the anhydrous iso wash and then evap that..that might work too..test it out..sounds like it could
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#17 Posted : 5/22/2009 9:11:41 AM

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Yeah SWIM just read this from the other thread so that's why he was wondering.

SyZyGyPSy wrote:
Oh yeah almost forgot... with regards to acetone, Swim doesn't trust it cuz he tried an evap test on some ace hardware xtra strngth acetone and it left a bunch of crap behind that did not look good. Hence why swim prefers anhydrous iso to acetone for recovery of freebased spice.

If you have lab grade, perhaps it is ok... but still, iso is bound to be less toxic than acetone. Sure it's found in the human body but so is feces... that doesn't mean you wanna smoke it! Iso evaps totally clean, and has no harmful effects as long as you don't drink a shitload of it (even then it just makes your stomach hurt). The safety profile for iso is awesome.

You can get anhydrous iso online fairly cheaply, it's used for cleaning computers. Or you can make your own by adding NaCl to 91% iso... the NaCl pulls the water down to the bottom. Siphon off the almost pure iso from the top, it's maybe 98% at this point... then dry out the remaining water with baked epsom salts.


SyZyGyPSy wrote:


Anyway once you have your gooey salts, I really think your best bet is to redissolve in a little bit of hot distilled water (use roughly one ounce of water per pound of bark). Then in an eyedropper bottle add saturated sodium carbonate solution, followed by iso. The iso floats to the top... then use the eyedropper to suck off the iso, evap it, and repeat. This removes most of the sodium carbonate. Once the iso is evapped, redissolve the goo in anhydrous iso, which will not dissolve the sodium carbonate. Filter or pour off carefully to remove the sodium carbonate and evap your iso onto some leaf.





So this would work the same with the fumerate/fumaric acid/sodium carbonate mix as it would with the acetate goo/sodium carbonate right? SWIM likes the fact that there is a seperation layer with the water in this tek.

But what SWIY said seems easier.

Jorkest wrote:
but perhaps just freebasing..then drying and THEN do the anhydrous iso wash and then evap that..that might work too..test it out..sounds like it could



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#18 Posted : 5/22/2009 6:46:05 PM

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swim used dried acetone for the final freebase conversion pulls
antrocles wrote:
...purity of intent....purity of execution....purity of experience...

...unlike the "blind leading the blind". we are more akin to a group of blind-from-birth people who have all simultaneously been given the gift of sight but have no words or mental processing capabilites to work with this new "gift".

IT IS ONLY TO THE EXTENT THAT WE ARE WILLING TO EXPOSE OURSELVES OVER AND OVER AGAIN TO ANNIHILATION THAT WE DISCOVER THAT PART OF OURSELVES THAT IS INDESTRUCTIBLE.


Quote:
‹Jorkest› the wall is impenetrable as far as i can tell


Quote:
‹xtechre› cheese is great


He who packs ur capsules - controls your destiny.

 
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#19 Posted : 5/22/2009 10:13:51 PM

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SWIM is testing this tek out with some chaliponga..he'll get back to me so i can report how it goes
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#20 Posted : 5/23/2009 8:18:26 PM

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so SWIM popped two cherries last night with the spice from this tek..and both people had absolutely LOVELY experiences...he got the hand shake..then the hug and the big thank you...also two other people that have done it before tried it out and said it was very very nice..haha then he gave his friend a nice fat pile of the stuff so that him and his gf(one of the cherries) could experiment with it to their hearts content..they were very thankful

He also went to a party and after having a few beers..he went outside like a sketchy person and smoked some crumbs and then walked back into the party...it was really fucking cool...no negative feelings being around all those people...he was able to stand fine and have conversations easily...except everyone looked like cartoons..or gumbyish...really really nice stuff..

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