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iracema
#1 Posted : 7/22/2013 5:02:49 PM

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#2 Posted : 7/22/2013 5:21:21 PM
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..this is appalling! makes me sadSad

similar things have happened with acacias in australia in the past..

i only hope suppliers of mimosa and acacia confusa can and do verify the ethics of what they are distributing..

people need to connect with the plants, but not at the plants' (and their environment's) expense and peril..

those who harvest like this are greedy, and the opposite of the kind of open-minded expansion which conscious interaction with plant entheogens can bring..Wut?
 
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#3 Posted : 7/22/2013 5:23:54 PM


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Wow... just wow.

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#4 Posted : 7/22/2013 5:36:37 PM

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Very very SAD.

I see you are from Brasil, one main supplier (adenium) for many shops is from Brasil, are these pics related to this supplier in your knowledge?


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#5 Posted : 7/22/2013 5:37:42 PM

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This is very sad...

but nothing in this paradigm of industrial global capitalism is sustainable. Until we address the root cause, these patterns will continue to repeat, whether we successfully stop the individual atrocities or not.
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#6 Posted : 7/22/2013 5:48:01 PM

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SnozzleBerry wrote:
This is very sad...

but nothing in this paradigm of industrial global capitalism is sustainable. Until we address the root cause, these patterns will continue to repeat, whether we successfully stop the individual atrocities or not.


Well said.
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#7 Posted : 7/22/2013 5:55:26 PM


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The Neural wrote:
SnozzleBerry wrote:
Until we address the root cause,

Back to the roots. Thumbs up

NO!!

Leave the freakin' roots alone, people!
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#8 Posted : 7/22/2013 6:01:17 PM

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No pun intended!!! Razz
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#9 Posted : 7/22/2013 6:01:18 PM

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I found this hiking around the Ecological Station of Seridó, one of the largest protected lands of this kind of environment.
Imagine what is to find in particular properties.
I notified authorities and closed this trail for large vehicles, only bike and foot hike are allowed now.
I cannot relate this particular case to any supplier, but I know this service is outsourced, so suppliers never get hands dirty.
Anyway, all responsibility lies at those who keep the demand high.
 
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#10 Posted : 7/22/2013 6:05:37 PM

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Tainted spice. There's a terrible irony and a sad contradiction in harvesting spice the opposite way to what its teachings would show you.

Personally, I don't think I will buy dry plant matter again. Harvesting properly and gardening only. And not only as a reaction to this post... once you have grown it yourself, nothing compares.

Thank you for the reminder. Hear, people, hear.
 
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#11 Posted : 7/22/2013 8:49:28 PM

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Mad How can people justify destroying things for profit?!? Mad

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... once you have grown it yourself, nothing compares.

Everyone, listen to this man!

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#12 Posted : 7/22/2013 8:57:02 PM

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Mad How can people justify destroying things for profit?!? Mad


By conditioning us to think that money is the only way to survive or be happy.

Let's prove them wrong, shall we?
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#13 Posted : 7/22/2013 10:10:50 PM

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makes me glad i got my own hostilis plants going...

a1pha wrote:
Leave the freakin' roots alone, people!

even a small ratio of only the lateral roots?
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#14 Posted : 7/22/2013 10:44:54 PM


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Parshvik Chintan wrote:
even a small ratio of only the lateral roots?

It was humor at the unintentional puns... not a factual statement against sustainable harvesting of plants.
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#15 Posted : 7/22/2013 10:51:23 PM

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I remember that endlessness stated that Mimosa hostilis was pretty abundant at a certain region in Brazil and that the local people used it for woodwork like making fences with it.

If they harvest the roots as a byproduct of cutting it down anyway for burning wood or woodwork then this is a more about optimal use of the tree. If they cut it down anyway, why not take the roots as well?

If however these trees are only cut down for their roots alone and then left to rot away then this is pretty sad.

So I like to know more about these pictures before I pass any judgement based on it.


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#16 Posted : 7/22/2013 11:16:30 PM
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..if the trees are in a reserve/national park this isn't good..

sustainable model 1: if some (but not all) of the root bark is taken, but the rest of the plant left, then it will grow back more rootbark the next year (note: acacias can't do this)

sustainable model 2: the trunk/branch bark can be taken, and the tree is still there to make more over the next season..in another thread i'm looking for iracema pointed out much purported MHRB is probably trunk/branch bark and works fine..

sustainable model 3: trees can be grown in plantation for firewood etc..harvested in whatever manner wanted..

 
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#17 Posted : 7/22/2013 11:29:01 PM

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It´s right what endlessness said.
But that´s not an optimal use of the tree, it´s just devastation.
For wood fire or woodwork the stump is left there and the tree sprouts again, what is sustainable.
 
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#18 Posted : 7/23/2013 3:01:33 AM

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this is insanity. I cant even look at those pictures without feeling like im looking at dead people. In a way thats exactly what Im seeing.
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#19 Posted : 7/23/2013 8:14:15 AM

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iracema wrote:
For wood fire or woodwork the stump is left there and the tree sprouts again, what is sustainable.


Plus I remember reading this is ideally done in the dry season, not now, for the tree to regenerate. These pictures show a lot of work done to unearth the trees and remove the roots while the trunks are left behind, so it does not look like wood harvesting at all.
 
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#20 Posted : 7/23/2013 11:20:34 AM

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no doubt its sad to see the trees in such a condition , whats more wasteful is the fact much of mimosa powder is being seized by the customs these says and destroyed , thus an overall wasteful activity
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