Ok so someone told me that they're planning to seriously crack down on the internet and that they really can do it. SWIM was dismissive at the time because he was a bit out of it and on a wave of optimism ("People'll find a way to get round it, whatever they try!" )

But now I've just read about how they're actually going to block sites that enable illegal activity. This is being talked about to stop chil d p orn, which is fine by me... but I can't help thinking... Nexus would be next.

Please could someone technical explain the plans? And whether the Nexus and other entheogen sites would be able to continue operating somehow if they were cracked down on too? Just wondering if SWIM should be stockpiling all this wonderful information while he can!

Thats why proxies and software like TOR are invaluable.

I've already been thinking about setting up gateways at other IP addresses but they would probably end up beside the original DMT-Nexus IP on the blacklist.

Woah... so the threat is for real? When is doomsday?

This site changed SWIM's life. The thought of them suppressing all this knowledge makes me a sad panda

This is sad, but exactly WHO is going do to this.

Unless it is an international effort I'm not sure "they" can just block everything they don't like.

I'm not sure how they are going to do this in the US. Hopefully Obama will not let "them" just wipe out anything that has to do with drugs.

Maybe I just don't understand enough about the internet.

As for chil d p or n, I was under the impression that sites pop up and dissapear within a day or so. That is why it is so difficult to track and persecute them.

^^Yes but they can still use it as an excuse because people will buy it.

The US is already starting to instill the fear into the American people that the internet is a potential threat to our national security. The latest reports from the department of homeland security state that internet "savyness", they really used that word, is one of the top 3 greatest threats to america. The other two were nuclear and biological weapons or something. Now the current administration is trying to set up internet security task forces. Its starting and it will come on slowly and they will use fear to hammer it into the average person. I do think the internet is going to be targeted in this entire anti-freedom thing going on in the world.

In europe laws are being passed I think in the UK (oyahaoc let me know if im wrong) to monitor email. Anyones email. It will continue.

I think the internet will eventually be taken down for our own "safety" just like the rest of our rights. Unless people stand up against it.

According to the article I read, they do this not because of governments, but because hackers have started attacking the sites... the ones under attack are only online for a few hours a day because of it. And one hacker hid a trojan inside files, and this was what got a US High Court judge convicted for his crimes, and others too.

I heard the new powers are going to force the providers or someone to block the sites. I guess governments will enforce it nationally. Currently the free speech and entrapment laws etc, as well as the vastness of the internet, is the obstacle as I understand it.
China has already demanded political censorship from internet providers etc operating there, hasn't it? So I can see this happening too. But I know little about the internet unfortunately.

We need hackers to defend Nexus!

They're trying for this. The only argument against it that people are seriously giving thought to is it's impracticality! The privacy argument is in the media but it doesn't seem to be argued very forcefully or by many people. They also want to force companies such as social networking sites to give the police access to information about users.
Yeah the general public will swallow the internet restrictions, because it doesn't hurt them because they've already got their booze and fags and television, and couldn't give a toss about the rights of people on sites like this.

In the UK they've had plans for ID cards for ages too. Fortunately there's more opposition to this thanks to a generation growing up watching WWII films ("Papers please!" ).

^^Good people aren't happy about it. Just hope people never buy into this fear mongering. Although they often do...

Anyway its a good thing hackers and computer geniuses are always ten steps ahead of the governments.

Yeah I wish SWIM had become a hacker at school instead of messing about in computer lessons and then spending his adolescence stoned.
A vigilante hacker could do so much!

The blacklists already exist and are in operation, but are not managed internationally. There was a lot of chaos recently when some people got hold of Australia's lists and stuck them online.

Have a look at:
http://www.webpronews.co...ernet-blacklist-revealed

There is no authority out there to monitor, manage lists and block sites internationally as far as I understand. I think it'll be a long time before things are any more heavily censored than they currently are, most governments aren't exactly famed for their technological abilities or speed of implementation.

Yeah, it's sad to see countries starting to use blacklists for blocking certain IP's. It's such a waste because it's not helping at all and it paves the way to make (deliberate) mistakes.

One of the worst things with those blacklists is that to make it work, they need to keep the list secret. If they make the list public, all the kiddyporn fans just use a proxy to go to the just published IP addresses.

The real question at that point is: who is checking the secret blacklist? They can put all sites on it they just don't like, nobody can check it! First childporn, then drugsites, political sites, everything they don't like or what sound nice in the ears of the (mostly real stupid) voters. Slowly and one at a time sites will disappear and nobody knows for sure what is happening to their favorite site since it just disappears without a trace.

If you want to do something about childporn, then go after the people publishing the kiddyporn sites and leave the uncaring people alone. Security by obscurity is an illusion and will NEVER work.

This type of thing is very dangerous. Freedom of knowledge is very important and helps keep governments from becoming corrupt. If a government can control the knowledge you have access to, they will often abuse it. It breads corruption and should not be allowed. The most corrupt rulers that exist in our world all control information flow to some degree and distort it for their own selfish benefits. Control of information flow is evil and should be stopped.

Do whatever you can to stop it. Once freedom of information is lost the world will enter into a serious dark age with corrupt leaders controlling everything.

"Under existing laws the ACMA blacklist includes URLs relating to ...[nasty stuff]... and detailed instruction in crime,"

Instructions here, while presumably legal in international waters and certain countries, certainly count as 'crime' in the eyes of many governments.

Pedo p hilia, drugs, and terrorism did not begin with the internet and will not end with it. The internet hardly enables these potential problems, it just makes them visible. Perhaps that's what we really want, to not be confronted with such things. After all, can the internet really be blamed for cartel violence or successful terrorist attacks or active pedophilia? These are cultural problems that will only be swept under the rug by information control.

Perhaps we should all just gather what we can from what we've got at the moment in preparation for a day when we may not be able to. Perhaps losing this medium for information will force us to seek more personal and engaging mediums, but lets not squander it in the meantime, if it can be helped. I envision a future where we have crank powered laptops and pirate wifi signals.

Maybe we could change DMT-Nexus to CAKE-Nexus and replace all DMT terms with cake, flower, sugar, choc-chip and 100s and 1000s.

Thanks for that TOR link Traveler, very good.

So you're against those are you Ohayoco? You dirty communist. I'm going to move to Manchester just so I can be the first to get on the list

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8037085.stm

I don't reckon they'll ever be able to fully crack down on the internet. If it was cost effective for them to pull it off surely they'd have already done it?

I have heard this, i think it was made to do what it has, make people worry about the internet...(for whatever reason) more fear monger?

if you believe in god/evil or a higher power, alien, your maker, energy, a soul, reincarnation, re-birth, whatever...
then youll know everything is going to be okay for those who spread love and peace, i think!

the day the internet goes is the day we all die. Then again its just a fucking computer..
"Last night the wife said oh boy when your dead you dont take nothing with you but your soul, THINK!" John Lennon

but seriously..... i think we are ok. haha ;D

You have to understand that it's not about cost/benefit in the financial way. It's even not in the justice department.

It's all about getting the attention of voters. The general voter isn't very well educated on the aspect that though childporn and terrorism are very bad things, you don't solve it by closing down access to the internet.

The general voter however does think this 'weapon against childporn' sounds very nice and would likely solve all problems, I mean, any common sense will tell you to fight childporn. They just don't think well enough about the consequences and the dangers of giving this kind of power to a government, in the end it will backfire on the innocent and sick people will still get their hands of filth.

Its about control. People in this world want to control others.

Never give up.


:arrow: :arrow: :arrow: Burnt is paranoid as f@ck

If they began to make information illegal follow me to the white house with torch and pitchfork in hand, I'll be at the front of the mob.