Hi friends,

I want to share the experience of two recent journeys with you.

On my second breakthrough, I felt a force grab hold of my body and snap me into some sort of what I can only describe as a communication frequency. CEVs wavered along with the sensation of my brain being tuned into a frequency like a radio. The wavering stopped at a certain point, accompanied by a sense of my brain being aligned or tuned. Then I became aware of some form of intelligence. I reached out to it and made my first contact.

Let me say at this point, that prior to this experience I was not a believer. I am a scientist, sceptical by nature and of course conditioned by western materialism. My immediate impression with this experience however, was that it was blatantly some form of natural phenomena, occurring in tandem with and not just as a result of my brain being infused with DMT.

In my notes afterwards I recorded that some form of hyper information transfer occurred between me and this entity. However, I forgot the details. Now this is where it gets interesting...

Third breakthrough (this time at a friends place, previously I was going solo), I had the exact same experience as before! The hyper information transfer I forgot last time occurred again, and step by step it was exactly the same. This time I remembered parts of it and will try to describe it:

• After the initial frequency tuning the CEV patterns stabilise and the head of an entity appears in the centre (further investigation leads me to suspect it could be what others have termed the "Mantid"; a grey mantis like head with a dominant reddish-black (third?) eye holding my gaze).
  
• The head starts bobbling from side to side (like the traditional Indian head bobble)
  
• A strange, alien music drones in hypnotically
  
• The entity takes control of the experience and elaborates a series of steps to a process. It seems to be communicating some form of algorithm or technical knowledge.
  
• My left hand spontaneously forms this mudra (in pulling the image I see that it's known as a jnana mudra--related to knowledge):
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• When each step begins, the entity utters a phrase which I interpret in English and I feel my left hand drawn to different positions in space and points on my body. I can't recall the sequence exactly but it's something like:
  
  
  
  • "Start here..." the mudra forms with my hand at rest between naval and groin
    
  • "Then you do this..." my hand is raised to my breast bone.
    
  • "Then this..." my goes to the point in between my eyes
    
  • "Then out here..." my arm extends out and to the left at an angle of about 45 degrees to my body
    
  
  
• On each step, I have the distinct feeling of being controlled. In between steps I forget this, and as the next step begins, as the entity utters a phrase, I am reminded that I am not in control here. My hand is then moved to show me how powerless I am to do anything.
  
• After a step has begun (i.e., after a phrase is uttered and my hand repositioned), the entity initiates another level of hyper information transfer. I couldn't hold onto the details (perhaps I will recall them if this experience repeats itself again?). I do however, remember the information being conveyed via visuals and sound sequences (I remember a spiralling, red and green DNA strand being described to me in this fashion).
  
• After the sequence is repeated a few times (I can't say with certainty that it was the same information reiterated) my hands are brought peacefully into my lap and the journey ends.
  

I had a traumatic return in the presence of my friend (which is a different topic) where I thought I had blown my brain for good. But when I remembered what DMT was and what I was doing, I quickly calmed down...

Interestingly, my friend says my hands didn't move. I couldn't believe this as I recall vaguely thinking that he must be astounded by smooth, attuned movements that were occurring.

What really amazes me here though is that the experience was repeated. The entity. The music. The mudra. The phrases and controlled movements. The hyper complex information exchanges. Everything was exactly the same: twice in a row!

In a sense this experience has frustrated me. I had to smoalk a little more later on just to convince myself that I wouldn't always have to encounter this entity. I didn't push on to breakthrough again, but the undertones and CEVs had a very different feel (which was enough for now).

I really implore anyone reading this to help me put it in perspective and share any similar experiences. I'm laying off the spice while I digest this. I know it can't really be answered, but it makes for helluva interesting musings! I might use it as writing material or something. Certainly I don't hope to understand it in terms of baseline reality.

As always, thanks to anyone who's taken the time to read this.

<3

EDIT: Just removed the call for integration assistance from the subject title, as after a few days now I'm feeling super. I think what shook me the most was the traumatic return which was due to reckless dosing.

Have you heard of chakras and electromagnetic energy? The human body has a bunch of energy centers all over it..the main ones I've read about are the seven or so chakras along the spine, starting from the base of the spine all the way to the top of the head. Each chakra or energy center corresponds to a different part of the body.

There are other chakras throughout the body, including in the center of the palm of your hands. I've read that touching your thumb and forefinger together during meditation causes the energy in the palm to flow through the whole hand.

You were made to touch that hand onto your 2nd, 4th and 6th chakras. The 2nd chakra governs libido, the 4th chakra governs compassion and intuition. The 6th chakra,also referred to as "the third eye", has to do with telepathy, intuition, imagination and visualisation.

I don't get the significance of the 45 degree angle if there is any...look into chakras more if you haven't already and maybe you can figure out what the entity was trying to tell you.

Thanks for reading and your response Cindi.

I have heard about chakras before. To be honest, I've never taken them all that seriously as I've been devoid of any direct bodily experience of them. Electromagnetic energy I know of as one of the four fundamental physical forces. I don't know much about its function in the human system though.

I must say off the cuff that I don't think I have the ability to comprehend what the being was trying to convey to me. But I think you make a good point: I'll look into chakras and mudras a bit more and see if I can extract my own meaning from the experience.

What's really bugging me is that the experience happened twice. Exactly the same. To the tee. Has anyone else out there experienced this?

I'd like to add that I feel very humbled by this experience. Never in my life did I expect I would be "one of those" who believe they contacted something! Goodness... now I am!

The specifics of your experience seem unique .
Having repeated experience is not uncommon.
I have had repeated contact with the same group of
Entities for a long time. They're attempts at communication
If that's what's happening has been beyond my comprehension.
It sometimes feels like they are more interested in my mind
Than trying to explain anything . Never any kind of hand positioning before.

I too was a science oriented person and
These experiences have turned my whole view of everything
Upside down . Your particular experience is fascinating .
Stay the course it takes time to integrate this .

Well, I cannot say anything certain about DMT (because I haven't been there yet) But I can tell you, that I am a salvianaut, and under the influence of salvia, I have been to the exact same "life" or place or "time", heck I'll just call it - outside the box place - first checkpoint after leaving your body. I have been there, like 8-9 times out of tens and tens of times I have done Salvia. Heck, maybe I was there ALWAYS, but I just can't remember. I only go by, what I'm saying during the experience: "MAN, it's like x'th time I'm in the same place!!!! Do I always come through here? *telepathical yes*"

hope it helped! Yes, it's really amazing, to see same experiences/places. It kinda "proves" that those "drugs" aren't just random flip-flaps, but if you recognize a place - a place outside your regular reality - many times, it kinda tells you: "Man....this is real. This is really real. Maybe even more real than reality itself."

Felnik, Tushaar; thanks for taking the time to read and reply. I appreciate the encouragement to stay the course and integrate. I will.

It's encouraging also to hear that others have had repeat experiences. It does indeed support the theory that it's possible to tune into another plane of reality (whether internal or external) and that we're not "just getting high".

I also wanted to ask if anyone has any theories to help explain the perception of body movement?

I was obviously very aware of my hand moving about and touching my body, but my friend said that I remained still the whole time I was gone.

Do you believe we have an astral body of sorts, or do you think that bodily awareness is purely a function of the brain?

I am finding that I am consitently experiencing raised levels in what one could call "electromagnetic" or "psychic" energy. Kind of a senstation that would make one's nipples hard and feel like a room-temperature chill up the nerves.

It seems extending the hand outward causes an effect I could only describe as rowing an oar on a canoe.



I will be quidding salvia leaves, and I will try this hand gesture.

I have been making this hand "mudra" for quite some time without knowing what it is.


I am very excited to have learned from this entity with you, I expect that If i approach this technique with a consitent degree of sincere humility and humbleness it will rmain a great way to stay in touch with electromagnetic/psychic energy.


edit: I personally have experienced that the astral body has to be developed by eating food in the form of 'light'.

like a hyper-photosynthesis.


This in my opinion is why some people don't experience highly poignant psychadelic trips, because of a low level of electromagnetic energy circulating, and inexperience in the art of breathing light.

I found this very interesting for couple reasons. I have had four oral dmt trips, and my third I spent some time in deep contemplation of being part of a hive mind, very insect like and seeing with fractal like eyes. That experience felt very inward contemplative more than experiencing an entity.

My third however, after exhaustion took over and I tried to relax into sleep (this was about 4 hours into a 6hour trip). I had flashes of closed eye fractals which were very similar and gave me the feeling in insect like pattern. I heard distinct clicking in my neck. So much so that I shifted on my pillow to try and see if maybe a muscle spasm was causing a twich I was hearing. In a flash I saw / knew the clicking was eating of a leaf like material and saw the flashes of that same fractal patern and I knew I was experiencing something akin to a grasshopper/locus/mantis sort of state of being. It was very odd feeling. The fractal had a lot of brown/green/orange patterns to it.

I have yet to have an experience where I interact with an entity, though I have had very deep experience of feeling like I am something very non human and different. Those include:

insect
hive mind
seeing through octet/insect eyes
being a feline and learning how to purr
playing as a dolphin and 'seeing' with echo chirps and clicks
chewing a leaf and the clicking feeling/sound in my neck.

I am really wanting to experience interaction with something that feels clearly outside of myself. The closest I have come is two fold.

My first trip was a stupid high dose of 10g mimosa boil because I believed my material was old/weak (I had tried a non-maoi cold extract to zero activity prior). My reality was completely replaced for what felt like numerous lifetimes. After the geometry, there was a black void and loud sound for lifetimes. After the sound went away instantly, I was in a room of color patterns and felt but didn't see, what I would describe as the alice in wonderland cat. It controlled time somehow and I was so scared I dare not try to see if it was really there or not. I felt that I could/would go no further.

The second time was a very breif fractal flash on my fourth trip where I think I saw a humanoid looking being made of see-through crystal, whitish/blueish. I was sort of peaking through the fractal at me for a split second. I wish I could have seen more than a flash of it and better yet stayed with it to see if it was something outside of myself or just a visual manifestation of the trip. Many times I have found myself thinking about something like.. a cat... then spent an hour+ in deep meditation like experience of being that. But the crystal being didn't seem like something I was thinking about or came up with.

Thanks for sharing. If I see more mantis/locus thype images/being/feel/fractal stuff I'll add it here.

Thanks for replying guys. I appreciate your views and envy you your experience of being a dolphin friken! I'd love to experience that.



I experienced a sensation of deep relaxation and smoothness in my movements. I normally have a lot of tension in my nervous system, which gives me shaky hands and tension headaches. The bodily experience I felt during contact was the antithesis of my normal state. Smooth and in harmony.



I must admit, that I'm not in a rush to encounter this guy again. I felt as if I was hypnotised. His bobbling head, the music and being dominated (fortunately not in a malicious way); I would prefer actually to have more freedom to explore. So I hope I don't always have to get attached to this signal. That would be a bummer to be honest. But perhaps I might remember more if I do encounter it again.

From your description, to me sounds like you were being taught yoga or meditation lessons. Mudras are used for controlling energy, or prana flow, as the hindus put it. I've discovered mudras more by accident, and I've tried them recently in my meditations, and what I found is that those apparently insignificant gestures really do help directing the flow of energy throughout your body.

I only worked with a couple of the basic mudras (chin mudra, chinmaya mudra, adi mudra and brahma mudra), which I could easily employ myself, as I'm not a yogi or anything. You can look all of them up on wikipedia and work your way towards more advanced forums as you need more information on a specific subject. That is, if this kind of information resonates with you. There's a whole science behind it though, and I'm sorry I don't have as much time to dig deeper into it, but I suspect there are a lot of great things to learn.



Wait till you learn how to channel this energy, it gets pretty intense if you manage to sustain the sensation. I've often wondered if this was the Kundalini energy a lot of people talk about, but you can never be sure with these things.

Anyway, gotta run. I hope this helps. Cheers!

Thanks for your reply rjb. I've become quite an avid meditator over the years, but have never really taken the esoteric traditions very seriously. It's been more to balance my emotions, calm my mind and improve my ability to focus.

I will look into mudras though in the upcoming weeks. As the memory of this experience fades, I feel myself calming down and hope to journey again when I feel the time is right.

Who knows, perhaps I will encounter this message again? Time will tell...

A good way
to look into mudras
is to close your eyes.

I close my eyes
and what I see
is that I am truly happy.

Opening my eyes I look no further.

Thank you ۩

"I do however, remember the information being conveyed via visuals and sound sequences (I remember a spiralling, red and green DNA strand being described to me in this fashion)."

Kind of reminds me about one of my experiences involving spontaneous mudras, the 'carrier wave' (tone), and spiraling orange DNA plasma and galaxies. https://www.dmt-nexus.me...&m=279004#post279004 (bottom 3 paragraphs)

Interesting experience you had..thanks for taking the time to write all of it down, as hard as it can be

Interesting comparison universecannon. I laughed at the bit about the car horn in your story. The way in which outside sounds intersect with our perceptions in hyperspace is always interesting.


Thank you for taking the time to read it