If a blind person from the birth will see these "aliens" or cities etc, i really think this
can be a strong proof of the fact that the hyperspace is really out of our mind..

I have heard that LSD can help blind people to visualize brilliant colors and archatecture.

I imagine DMT would be similar.

this makes sense...

i'd imagine visuals have nothing to do with photoreceptors, optic radiation, or the LGN.
they're probably directly imprinted onto Brodmann area 17 (V1).

Theres been quite a bit of discussion on this topic on the web over the years but i'm not sure if anyone has found out for certain..The experience might be very different (or perhaps non-visual altogether) depending on whether or not they've been blind since birth or not.

i have a hard time thinking that anyone could properly inhale 60mg of dmt in one hit and not see SOMETHING..But even if they weren't to see anything, it seems they would certainly still have a very intense experience in other regards

Q:
Do blind people dream? If they do, can they "see" in their dreams?
- Anjali Sharma (age 14)
Leaside High, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
A:
Anjali -

I considered answering your question myself, but decided that you might prefer an answer straight from the source. So I passed your question on to my friend, Laurie, who has been blind since she was fairly young. Here's what she had to say:

" Yes, blind people do dream. What they see in their dreams depends on how much they could ever see. If someone has been totally blind since birth, they only have auditory dreams. If someone such as I, has had a measure of sight, then that person dreams with that measure of sight. I still dream as though I can see, colors included. For people I've met since, their faces are just blurs or how I imagine they look. To me, someone like my mother looks forever 30. "

Thanks Laurie!

-Tamara

Anyway I found this
http://www.reddit.com/r/...from_birth_who_has_used/

That would be assuming the visions one sees while on DMT come from our own brain, which many people might disagree with

dang it that guy was gonna give him free DMT but he hasn't posted in 2 years. Maybe the DMT was such an awesome experience he doesn't care about computers anymore



Well it could, I assume any visions you see are still processed from your visual cortex. Theres also the possibility that your mind cant see what you haven't already perceived. So even if Hyperspace were an actual place you travel too, you could be blind in both places. Technically the visions are coming from your brain, whether they originate from your brain doesnt really matter, as your brain still has to process the visuals you are experiencing, hence it probably wouldn't prove anything if the blind saw the same things as us or not.

Both the links to the blind people that took hallucinogens seem to have similiar experiences.

For people with normal vision, dreaming is intensely visual. The dream state typically involves vivid scenes and imagery, much of it drawing upon our daytime experiences and concerns (whether conscious or not). Auditory stimulation plays a small role, and the other senses, like taste and smell, are virtually absent.

But studies led by a psychologist at the University of Hartford show that for the blind, depending on when in life they lost their sense of sight, the reverse seems to be true. People born without the ability to see report no visual imagery in their dreams, but they do experience a heightening of taste, touch and smell. They also report a higher percentage of dreams that involve mishaps related to traveling or transportation, perhaps reflecting one of their biggest daytime concerns: safely finding their way around.

Although individual experiences vary, researchers say people who go blind before age 5 rarely experience visual imagery in their dreams. But those who lose their vision after age 5 often continue to see in their dreams, though the frequency and clarity diminish over time.

Since the visionary aspect of DMT is such a prominent characterisitc of the trip, it would be quite interesting to know how much of it is tied to our eyes vs our pineal gland or "third eye"

Anyway I found this
http://www.reddit.com/r/...rom_birth_who_has_used/

Red is hot and spicy, like standing too close to the fire. Orange is warm and smooth, a velvet curtain heated by the sun. Yellow is buttery and rich, like sunshine on your face. Green is earthy and comforting, the smell of fresh pine needles. Blue is cool and crisp, like dipping your foot in a lake in October. Purple is dark and rich, a baritone sax bellowing jazz. Brown is healing and ancient, the smell of earth on the forest floor.

Makes sense to look at how are blind people's dreams.

NY Times Article.


The Dreams of Blind Men and Women, University of Hartford paper.

That would be assuming the visions one sees while on DMT come from our own brain, which many people might disagree with