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#321 Posted : 5/8/2021 1:41:33 PM
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#322 Posted : 5/12/2021 7:54:09 PM

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Here's an example of a phalaris minor. On a first glance it looked almost exactly like brachystachys until i inspected the seeds. This goes to show how unreliable it is to identify these grasses based on plant morphology alone.
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#323 Posted : 5/12/2021 8:17:11 PM

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The panicle patterns are unmistakable with brachystachys. The panicles above don't have that pattern. But checking the seeds is always a must.

The consciousness of plants is a constant source of information for medicine, alimentation, and art, and an example of the intelligence and creative imagination of nature. Much of my education I owe to the intelligence of these great teachers. Thus I consider myself to be the “representative” of plants, and for this reason I assert that if they cut down the trees and burn what’s left of the rainforests, it is the same as burning a whole library of books without ever having read them.

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#324 Posted : 5/13/2021 8:34:14 AM

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Dithyramb, there is so much i want to ask you but i don't have the full member privilege to text you neither here is the right place to. I've found some patches of arundo donax and phragmites australis, also an acacia floribunda and some scattered patches of wild harmala.

It's intriguing how similar our bioassays are. Looks like we live in similar climate, with similar endogenous entheogens. I read jim deckorne's bioassay with phragmites and now i havea a bit of cold feet trying it..
 
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#325 Posted : 5/13/2021 9:43:59 PM

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Please be very careful testing these plants, don't bioassay without at least some sort of confirmation that you have the wanted alkaloids. Plants may have toxic compounds too, and you may not detect it by simple subjective experience when consuming it.

This may be of use, specially point 6
 
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#326 Posted : 5/14/2021 4:15:09 PM

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Thank you for sharing i appreciate it. Unfortunately i can't seem to find the reagents needed for testing where am from. I can still seperate the gramine out though with an extraction. I wrote down my procedure for the intitial full spectrum extraction here . I can perform a mini extraction from that extract using naphtha . Hows does that sound?
 
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#327 Posted : 5/14/2021 8:46:22 PM

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Sidisheikh.mehriz wrote:
Dithyramb, there is so much i want to ask you but i don't have the full member privilege to text you neither here is the right place to. I've found some patches of arundo donax and phragmites australis, also an acacia floribunda and some scattered patches of wild harmala.

It's intriguing how similar our bioassays are. Looks like we live in similar climate, with similar endogenous entheogens. I read jim deckorne's bioassay with phragmites and now i havea a bit of cold feet trying it..

Congrats on promotion! Wink

Yes, gramine should get left behind if you do a naphtha extraction.




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― Jacques Bergier, quoting Fulcanelli
 
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#328 Posted : 5/15/2021 4:02:28 PM

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Congrats on promotion! Wink

Yes, gramine should get left behind if you do a naphtha extraction.


ThanksVery happy I'm thrilled!
Have you heard of anyone in nexus producing their own nano zinc powder pure enough for a n-oxide zinc reduction?
What do you think is the best thread for such a topic?
I mean i have made nano iron and copper powder before just for the fun of it using OTC vitamin C and oxalic acid and active carbon but haven't tried it on zinc before. Oxalic acid can be easily purified by sublimation. Zinc oxalate can be purified to a reasonable level with crystallisation and Washing before thermal decomposition to zinc oxide then further reduced with active carbon, heated in a test tube to elemental zinc powder.
 
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#329 Posted : 5/19/2021 12:35:39 PM

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This is phalaris truncata. The seeds have similar small infertile lemmas very much like brachystachys has but it's thinner and longer. The panicles are thin and silvery green. In it's natural habitat it can grow has high as aquatica and the panicles can be as long as aquatica but they will be silvery and thin. It's perennial.

First pic is truncata and second is brachystachys for comparison.
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#330 Posted : 5/19/2021 12:54:11 PM

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Here's another truncata that i initially misidentified as aquatica. I uprooted this plant and planted it in my garden. Now that it's panicles have matured i can see that the seeds are definitely truncata.
Notice how thin the leaves are! Everything about this grass is so thin.
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#331 Posted : 5/19/2021 6:53:52 PM

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Sidisheikh.mehriz wrote:
Have you heard of anyone in nexus producing their own nano zinc powder pure enough for a n-oxide zinc reduction?
What do you think is the best thread for such a topic?
I mean i have made nano iron and copper powder before just for the fun of it using OTC vitamin C and oxalic acid and active carbon but haven't tried it on zinc before. Oxalic acid can be easily purified by sublimation. Zinc oxalate can be purified to a reasonable level with crystallisation and Washing before thermal decomposition to zinc oxide then further reduced with active carbon, heated in a test tube to elemental zinc powder.

I'd take this question to the Chemistry section for discussion. Have you tried this carbon reduction of zinc oxide in a test tube yourself?




“There is a way of manipulating matter and energy so as to produce what modern scientists call 'a field of force'. The field acts on the observer and puts him in a privileged position vis-à-vis the universe. From this position he has access to the realities which are ordinarily hidden from us by time and space, matter and energy. This is what we call the Great Work."
― Jacques Bergier, quoting Fulcanelli
 
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#332 Posted : 5/19/2021 7:24:10 PM

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Great, i'll take the question to the chemistry section. I've tried the carbon reduction on copper oxide before and it worked well but i haven't tried it on zinc oxide yet. That's why am asking.
 
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#333 Posted : 5/26/2021 9:43:14 PM

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Can anyone ID this?
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این جهان با تو خوش است و آن جهان با تو خوش است
این جهان بی‌من مباش و آن جهان بی‌من مرو

ای عیان بی‌من مدان و ای زبان بی‌من مخوان
ای نظر بی‌من مبین و ای روان بی‌من مرو
 
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#334 Posted : 6/15/2021 11:20:34 AM

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Could this be truncata?
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این جهان با تو خوش است و آن جهان با تو خوش است
این جهان بی‌من مباش و آن جهان بی‌من مرو

ای عیان بی‌من مدان و ای زبان بی‌من مخوان
ای نظر بی‌من مبین و ای روان بی‌من مرو
 
Era/is
#335 Posted : 7/13/2021 11:20:38 PM

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Dasein wrote:
Could this be truncata?

Hi Dasein,

the last two plants you have photographed are not phalaris.
You can identify them with e.g. Flora Incognita app.

In any case most of poacee grasses contains triptamines, but like phalaris, poisons and many other molecules.
 
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#336 Posted : 7/15/2021 3:39:09 AM

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Era/is wrote:
Dasein wrote:
Could this be truncata?

Hi Dasein,

the last two plants you have photographed are not phalaris.
You can identify them with e.g. Flora Incognita app.

In any case most of poacee grasses contains triptamines, but like phalaris, poisons and many other molecules.


Wait, really? Those last three photos are consistent with Phalaris aquatica.
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#337 Posted : 7/18/2021 10:06:06 PM

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RhythmSpring wrote:
Era/is wrote:
Dasein wrote:
Could this be truncata?

Hi Dasein,

the last two plants you have photographed are not phalaris.
You can identify them with e.g. Flora Incognita app.

In any case most of poacee grasses contains triptamines, but like phalaris, poisons and many other molecules.


Wait, really? Those last three photos are consistent with Phalaris aquatica.

Oops, sorry I has observed quickly the photos. Enlarging the photo I've seen the knurls, initially I thought that the ears had grains / round seeds.
 
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#338 Posted : 7/26/2021 1:03:50 AM
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Hi. I went looking for P. Arundinacea with some help from a map of recorded observations. Much grateful if you can help me confirm or deny. Smile
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#339 Posted : 8/26/2021 8:55:25 PM
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That is very obviously phalaris arudinacea.
 
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#340 Posted : 8/28/2021 6:18:25 PM

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_grass~amine_ wrote:
Hi. I went looking for P. Arundinacea with some help from a map of recorded observations. Much grateful if you can help me confirm or deny. Smile



YES! Phalaris Arundinacea
 
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