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Mrs. Gerry
#1 Posted : 1/17/2009 1:41:19 AM

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Materials:
Epsom Salt (Magnesium Sulfate)
Washing Soda (Sodium carbonate)
Root Bark (MHRB)
Distilled water
Acetone

The wiki-DMT drytech page provided by amor_fati was used in this experiment.

Magnesium Sulfate was evenly spread out onto an aluminum baking pan covered with a sheet of tinfoil. The Magnesium Sulfate was then put into the oven at 400 degrees for just over one hour; until the salt had an ashy or powdery consistency. A semi-hard crust of Magnesium Sulfate was under the ashy material and easily broken up upon removal of the tinfoil. This process renders anhydrous Magnesium Sulfate. (Dry Magnesium Sulfate) The Magnesium Sulfate was placed into a container and stored away form moisture until needed. (About 112g)

85g of MHRB was pulverized into powder using a coffee grinder. Using a standard kitchen strainer the powder from the MHRB was sifted out leaving the string material behind. The powder and string materials were separated into two containers.

85g of Pulverized MHRB was placed into a larger glass jar 'A' along with 100g of Sodium Carbonate.(Jar 'A' was roughly the size of a small peanut butter jar.) The contents of jar 'A' were shook to mix the materials. After a period of rest that allowed for product material to settle, distilled water was poured in slowly while stirring the product material. Enough distilled water was added so the mixture became a paste. (note: it is important that the distilled water be at or above room temp. The first pour of cold distilled water created a solid, rock-like, ball out of the product material. this was removed during the drying phase) The color of the product material was a grayish-black after the reaction occurred. Stirring was required for about five minutes to ensure contact was made with all of the product material.

An hour and a half went by and the contents in jar 'A' were slightly more dry. Stirring was needed to loosen the product material and break up large pieces. 30-45g of Anhydrous Magnesium Sulfate was added until product material was not seen sticking to any side of jar 'A', a good indication that all moisture had been removed.

9fl oz's of Acetone and approximately 15-20g of Anhydrous Magnesium Sulfate were mixed in a separate glass container. The contents were shook for 3-5 minutes. SWIM is no awaiting Anhydrous Magnesium Sulfate to settle in the container.

more on this extraction will be posted soon.

(This may help with the confusion. SWIM will be sure to watch the terminology in future posts.)
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amor_fati
#2 Posted : 1/17/2009 9:08:59 AM

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Just so there's no confusion, the wiki generally refers to the extracted yield as 'product' and the source, reagents, and dessicant (MHRB, Sodium Carbonate, and Magnesium Sulfate) as 'material'. The wiki attempts to establish a consistent language in terms of extraction. In these terms, there wouldn't be a product until it was somehow isolated, and everything leading up to that is material.

SWIM can't wait to see the results! SWIY should expect a minimum of about 1g freebase or 1.5g fumarate from this.
 
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#3 Posted : 1/17/2009 10:20:23 AM

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Mrs. Gerry
#4 Posted : 1/17/2009 10:50:29 AM

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thank you for the clarification on the terminology amor_fati.
'Product' in this case, can be confusing to readers.
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#5 Posted : 1/17/2009 7:25:56 PM

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Well it was chosen because it's generally accepted in the way that the wiki uses it within the "drug scene." 'Product' generally always means 'drugs' and only varies in purity and in the way that the product is obtained (by extraction or synthesis or even growing in some cases). So if one first understands what 'product' in the wiki is referring to and a little basic chemistry, the procedure and it's inner-workings should appear crystal clear. Certainly the wiki isn't written as a layman's DMT cookbook, but it is meant to be a comprehensive source of info for those with prior extraction experience.
 
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#6 Posted : 1/18/2009 9:17:46 PM

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Yes the OP's use of product when not referring to final extracted alkaloids was very confusing.
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#7 Posted : 1/18/2009 11:52:29 PM

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From the wiki.
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1.3.3: Extraction Procedure

1. Mix the intended base with the powdered source material at a ratio between 1:2 and 1:1.
* The product remains in its natural salt form which is generally considered to be quite free from the botanical cell structure in powdered material.
2. Add only enough water to thoroughly moisten the mixture to the consistency of a paste while stirring to ensure the consistency of the mixture.
* Although this is not generally considered a traditional aqueous phase in that it is not a solution, it is an aqueous phase in that it is excessively hydrated and sufficiently aqueous to facilitate reaction.
3. Allow adequate time to soak in order for reaction to occur.
* The acid component of salt-form product undergoes reaction with the base, effectively neutralizing the acid and freeing the product in its pure alkaloid form, or freebase.
4. Stir in anhydrous magnesium sulfate until thoroughly dry.
* The magnesium sulfate acts as a desiccant, and that this is performed in order to prevent water contamination of the acetone.
5. Add an excess of anhydrous acetone and stir thoroughly, allotting adequate time and stirring for thorough dissolution of the product into the acetone.
* The more contact allotted between the product and the acetone, the greater the saturation.
6. Decant and/or filter acetone and collect, being careful not to allow any particulates into the collection vessel.
* The bases used should not harm the quality of the product, but may interfere with the accuracy of weight.
7. Repeat steps 5-6 with fresh acetone until material is exhausted to satisfaction.
* Three washes is generally considered sufficient.


SWIM can actually see how confusing this might be without some prior understanding. The tek attempts to follow the product through the extraction process in order to track the state and location of the product within the material, so maybe it needs to be reworded to read "product within the material" in such cases.
 
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#8 Posted : 1/19/2009 2:30:33 AM

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The post has been edited to counter any confusion related to the terminology.
Please post any comments that may help SWIM with future topics.
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Mrs. Gerry
#9 Posted : 1/19/2009 4:54:22 AM

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continuing with this extraction...

After waiting a day and a half, the Anhydrous Magnesium Sulfate had settled to the bottom of the Acetone. After the first day the Acetone/Anhydrous Magnesium Sulfate mixture still appeared a little murky towards the top half of the container. Waiting another twelve hours SWIM transferred the Anhydrous Acetone into another glass jar to separate it from the Hydrous Magnesium Sulfate. What SWIM thought was murky Acetone turned out to be Magnesium Sulfate attached to the inside of the glass container.

Approximately 45-50g of the material from Jar 'A' was placed into a tall glass container, Jar 'B', with a tapered neck (This tapered neck container will greatly increase the amount of Acetone collected). 4.5-6ml of Anhydrous Acetone was added slowly to Jar 'B', stopping occasionally to allow for the Anhydrous Acetone to soak into the material. When material was thoroughly soaked in Anhydrous Acetone, Jar 'B' was sealed, then shook, and carefully rolled for ten minutes to ensure maximum contact with the material.

Anhydrous Acetone rose to the top of Jar 'B' and took on a yellowish tint.

More on this extraction will be posted soon.
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Mrs. Gerry
#10 Posted : 1/30/2009 7:42:40 PM

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Jar 'B' was set aside for 24 hours to allow acetone to rise and smaller particles to settle. Once Acetone no longer appeared foggy or gray (about 24 hours to be safe), it was siphoned through a plastic tube onto a flat glass collection dish. The dish containing Acetone was set in a spot with little air flow or humidity where the Acetone was allowed to evaporate.
(NOTE: SWIM encountered problems with plastic tools. The plastic tube used to siphon acetone began to get soft and a portion of it even began to split. SWIM strongly recommends that only glass tools are used during any extraction.)

Acetone was again mixed thoroughly with contents of jar 'B' and allowed to sit for 24 hours. SWIM used a glass dropper to remover the Acetone in place of the plastic tubing. Acetone was added and removed until no product was visible following acetone evaporation.

SWIM encountered multiple results.

#1 The first evaporation resulted in the yellow goo. SWIM believes that using plastic tubing and a plastic cap on jar 'B' may be to blame for this result.
#2 The second evaporation resulted in a more promising product. The spice was a only slightly moist. This result was after SWIM used the glass droppers instead of the plastic tubing to remove the acetone from jar 'B'.

Success!

Acetone almost completely evaporated. Result #1



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#11 Posted : 1/31/2009 8:29:25 AM

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that picture is flipping awesome dude, how was it made ? and why is that dude hugging the pillow ?
Flipping groovy picture dude.
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#12 Posted : 1/31/2009 7:44:04 PM

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Oh yes, plastic and acetone is a no-no, but it's more likely that the first extraction "defatted" the material, so that the second pulled mostly product. If SWIY only intended to evaporate to retrieve the total crude yield straight from the plant, SWIM is thinking that an initial, dry defat is a necessity (wash the the dry, unbasified plant material with acetone before extraction). SWIM highly recommends that SWIY purify that first pull through FASA in case of any sort of plastic contamination.
 
 
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