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#1 Posted : 1/16/2009 4:22:38 AM
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DRIVING through the countryside south of Hanover, it would be easy to miss the GEO600 experiment. From the outside, it doesn't look much: in the corner of a field stands an assortment of boxy temporary buildings, from which two long trenches emerge, at a right angle to each other, covered with corrugated iron. Underneath the metal sheets, however, lies a detector that stretches for 600 metres.

For the past seven years, this German set-up has been looking for gravitational waves - ripples in space-time thrown off by super-dense astronomical objects such as neutron stars and black holes. GEO600 has not detected any gravitational waves so far, but it might inadvertently have made the most important discovery in physics for half a century.

For many months, the GEO600 team-members had been scratching their heads over inexplicable noise that is plaguing their giant detector. Then, out of the blue, a researcher approached them with an explanation. In fact, he had even predicted the noise before he knew they were detecting it. According to Craig Hogan, a physicist at the Fermilab particle physics lab in Batavia, Illinois, GEO600 has stumbled upon the fundamental limit of space-time - the point where space-time stops behaving like the smooth continuum Einstein described and instead dissolves into "grains", just as a newspaper photograph dissolves into dots as you zoom in. "It looks like GEO600 is being buffeted by the microscopic quantum convulsions of space-time," says Hogan.

If this doesn't blow your socks off, then Hogan, who has just been appointed director of Fermilab's Center for Particle Astrophysics, has an even bigger shock in store: "If the GEO600 result is what I suspect it is, then we are all living in a giant cosmic hologram."

The idea that we live in a hologram probably sounds absurd, but it is a natural extension of our best understanding of black holes, and something with a pretty firm theoretical footing. It has also been surprisingly helpful for physicists wrestling with theories of how the universe works at its most fundamental level.

The holograms you find on credit cards and banknotes are etched on two-dimensional plastic films. When light bounces off them, it recreates the appearance of a 3D image. In the 1990s physicists Leonard Susskind and Nobel prizewinner Gerard 't Hooft suggested that the same principle might apply to the universe as a whole. Our everyday experience might itself be a holographic projection of physical processes that take place on a distant, 2D surface.

The "holographic principle" challenges our sensibilities. It seems hard to believe that you woke up, brushed your teeth and are reading this article because of something happening on the boundary of the universe. No one knows what it would mean for us if we really do live in a hologram, yet theorists have good reasons to believe that many aspects of the holographic principle are true.

Susskind and 't Hooft's remarkable idea was motivated by ground-breaking work on black holes by Jacob Bekenstein of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem in Israel and Stephen Hawking at the University of Cambridge. In the mid-1970s, Hawking showed that black holes are in fact not entirely "black" but instead slowly emit radiation, which causes them to evaporate and eventually disappear. This poses a puzzle, because Hawking radiation does not convey any information about the interior of a black hole. When the black hole has gone, all the information about the star that collapsed to form the black hole has vanished, which contradicts the widely affirmed principle that information cannot be destroyed. This is known as the black hole information paradox.

Bekenstein's work provided an important clue in resolving the paradox. He discovered that a black hole's entropy - which is synonymous with its information content - is proportional to the surface area of its event horizon. This is the theoretical surface that cloaks the black hole and marks the point of no return for infalling matter or light. Theorists have since shown that microscopic quantum ripples at the event horizon can encode the information inside the black hole, so there is no mysterious information loss as the black hole evaporates.

Crucially, this provides a deep physical insight: the 3D information about a precursor star can be completely encoded in the 2D horizon of the subsequent black hole - not unlike the 3D image of an object being encoded in a 2D hologram. Susskind and 't Hooft extended the insight to the universe as a whole on the basis that the cosmos has a horizon too - the boundary from beyond which light has not had time to reach us in the 13.7-billion-year lifespan of the universe. What's more, work by several string theorists, most notably Juan Maldacena at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, has confirmed that the idea is on the right track. He showed that the physics inside a hypothetical universe with five dimensions and shaped like a Pringle is the same as the physics taking place on the four-dimensional boundary.

According to Hogan, the holographic principle radically changes our picture of space-time. Theoretical physicists have long believed that quantum effects will cause space-time to convulse wildly on the tiniest scales. At this magnification, the fabric of space-time becomes grainy and is ultimately made of tiny units rather like pixels, but a hundred billion billion times smaller than a proton. This distance is known as the Planck length, a mere 10-35 metres. The Planck length is far beyond the reach of any conceivable experiment, so nobody dared dream that the graininess of space-time might be discernable.

That is, not until Hogan realised that the holographic principle changes everything. If space-time is a grainy hologram, then you can think of the universe as a sphere whose outer surface is papered in Planck length-sized squares, each containing one bit of information. The holographic principle says that the amount of information papering the outside must match the number of bits contained inside the volume of the universe.

Since the volume of the spherical universe is much bigger than its outer surface, how could this be true? Hogan realised that in order to have the same number of bits inside the universe as on the boundary, the world inside must be made up of grains bigger than the Planck length. "Or, to put it another way, a holographic universe is blurry," says Hogan.

This is good news for anyone trying to probe the smallest unit of space-time. "Contrary to all expectations, it brings its microscopic quantum structure within reach of current experiments," says Hogan. So while the Planck length is too small for experiments to detect, the holographic "projection" of that graininess could be much, much larger, at around 10-16 metres. "If you lived inside a hologram, you could tell by measuring the blurring," he says.

When Hogan first realised this, he wondered if any experiment might be able to detect the holographic blurriness of space-time. That's where GEO600 comes in.

Gravitational wave detectors like GEO600 are essentially fantastically sensitive rulers. The idea is that if a gravitational wave passes through GEO600, it will alternately stretch space in one direction and squeeze it in another. To measure this, the GEO600 team fires a single laser through a half-silvered mirror called a beam splitter. This divides the light into two beams, which pass down the instrument's 600-metre perpendicular arms and bounce back again. The returning light beams merge together at the beam splitter and create an interference pattern of light and dark regions where the light waves either cancel out or reinforce each other. Any shift in the position of those regions tells you that the relative lengths of the arms has changed.

"The key thing is that such experiments are sensitive to changes in the length of the rulers that are far smaller than the diameter of a proton," says Hogan.

So would they be able to detect a holographic projection of grainy space-time? Of the five gravitational wave detectors around the world, Hogan realised that the Anglo-German GEO600 experiment ought to be the most sensitive to what he had in mind. He predicted that if the experiment's beam splitter is buffeted by the quantum convulsions of space-time, this will show up in its measurements (Physical Review D, vol 77, p 104031). "This random jitter would cause noise in the laser light signal," says Hogan.

In June he sent his prediction to the GEO600 team. "Incredibly, I discovered that the experiment was picking up unexpected noise," says Hogan. GEO600's principal investigator Karsten Danzmann of the Max Planck Institute for Gravitational Physics in Potsdam, Germany, and also the University of Hanover, admits that the excess noise, with frequencies of between 300 and 1500 hertz, had been bothering the team for a long time. He replied to Hogan and sent him a plot of the noise. "It looked exactly the same as my prediction," says Hogan. "It was as if the beam splitter had an extra sideways jitter."
Incredibly, the experiment was picking up unexpected noise - as if quantum convulsions were causing an extra sideways jitter

No one - including Hogan - is yet claiming that GEO600 has found evidence that we live in a holographic universe. It is far too soon to say. "There could still be a mundane source of the noise," Hogan admits.

Gravitational-wave detectors are extremely sensitive, so those who operate them have to work harder than most to rule out noise. They have to take into account passing clouds, distant traffic, seismological rumbles and many, many other sources that could mask a real signal. "The daily business of improving the sensitivity of these experiments always throws up some excess noise," says Danzmann. "We work to identify its cause, get rid of it and tackle the next source of excess noise." At present there are no clear candidate sources for the noise GEO600 is experiencing. "In this respect I would consider the present situation unpleasant, but not really worrying."

For a while, the GEO600 team thought the noise Hogan was interested in was caused by fluctuations in temperature across the beam splitter. However, the team worked out that this could account for only one-third of the noise at most.

Danzmann says several planned upgrades should improve the sensitivity of GEO600 and eliminate some possible experimental sources of excess noise. "If the noise remains where it is now after these measures, then we have to think again," he says.

If GEO600 really has discovered holographic noise from quantum convulsions of space-time, then it presents a double-edged sword for gravitational wave researchers. One on hand, the noise will handicap their attempts to detect gravitational waves. On the other, it could represent an even more fundamental discovery.

Such a situation would not be unprecedented in physics. Giant detectors built to look for a hypothetical form of radioactivity in which protons decay never found such a thing. Instead, they discovered that neutrinos can change from one type into another - arguably more important because it could tell us how the universe came to be filled with matter and not antimatter (New Scientist, 12 April 2008, p 26).

It would be ironic if an instrument built to detect something as vast as astrophysical sources of gravitational waves inadvertently detected the minuscule graininess of space-time. "Speaking as a fundamental physicist, I see discovering holographic noise as far more interesting," says Hogan.
Small price to pay

Despite the fact that if Hogan is right, and holographic noise will spoil GEO600's ability to detect gravitational waves, Danzmann is upbeat. "Even if it limits GEO600's sensitivity in some frequency range, it would be a price we would be happy to pay in return for the first detection of the graininess of space-time." he says. "You bet we would be pleased. It would be one of the most remarkable discoveries in a long time."

However Danzmann is cautious about Hogan's proposal and believes more theoretical work needs to be done. "It's intriguing," he says. "But it's not really a theory yet, more just an idea." Like many others, Danzmann agrees it is too early to make any definitive claims. "Let's wait and see," he says. "We think it's at least a year too early to get excited."

The longer the puzzle remains, however, the stronger the motivation becomes to build a dedicated instrument to probe holographic noise. John Cramer of the University of Washington in Seattle agrees. It was a "lucky accident" that Hogan's predictions could be connected to the GEO600 experiment, he says. "It seems clear that much better experimental investigations could be mounted if they were focused specifically on the measurement and characterisation of holographic noise and related phenomena."

One possibility, according to Hogan, would be to use a device called an atom interferometer. These operate using the same principle as laser-based detectors but use beams made of ultracold atoms rather than laser light. Because atoms can behave as waves with a much smaller wavelength than light, atom interferometers are significantly smaller and therefore cheaper to build than their gravitational-wave-detector counterparts.

So what would it mean it if holographic noise has been found? Cramer likens it to the discovery of unexpected noise by an antenna at Bell Labs in New Jersey in 1964. That noise turned out to be the cosmic microwave background, the afterglow of the big bang fireball. "Not only did it earn Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson a Nobel prize, but it confirmed the big bang and opened up a whole field of cosmology," says Cramer.

Hogan is more specific. "Forget Quantum of Solace, we would have directly observed the quantum of time," says Hogan. "It's the smallest possible interval of time - the Planck length divided by the speed of light."

More importantly, confirming the holographic principle would be a big help to researchers trying to unite quantum mechanics and Einstein's theory of gravity. Today the most popular approach to quantum gravity is string theory, which researchers hope could describe happenings in the universe at the most fundamental level. But it is not the only show in town. "Holographic space-time is used in certain approaches to quantising gravity that have a strong connection to string theory," says Cramer. "Consequently, some quantum gravity theories might be falsified and others reinforced."

Hogan agrees that if the holographic principle is confirmed, it rules out all approaches to quantum gravity that do not incorporate the holographic principle. Conversely, it would be a boost for those that do - including some derived from string theory and something called matrix theory. "Ultimately, we may have our first indication of how space-time emerges out of quantum theory." As serendipitous discoveries go, it's hard to get more ground-breaking than that.

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#2 Posted : 1/16/2009 6:00:11 AM

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I just read this earlier today. Very interesting article.

Of course, as the article says, it's about a year too early to start getting too excited. This is just a hypothesis consistent with an observed phenomenon, basically.

We can't forget the power of confirmation bias. Since Hogan predicted the noise, and then found that a group had been observing the noise, there's a tendency to say instantly "Voila! That explains it, it must be right." But there are many potential sources of noise in this case, which must be systematically eliminated as possible explanations.

It's interesting that there are both string-theory and non-strong-theory hypotheses out there consistent with the phenomenon.
 
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#3 Posted : 1/16/2009 4:05:38 PM

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Interesting read. But again yes too early to get excited or to wonder about the implications. Same story goes with string theory. While its working wonders mathematically for explaining the universe there is no direct evidence yet for the existence of extra dimensions etc.

When are they gonna get that damn hadron collider back online and answer this stuff!?
 
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I like quantum field theory my self. Although holograms are quite fascinating in themselves. This seems like a some what logical possibility as it may be able to explain the relativity of the universe. Since in a hologram the information is stored throughout the entire object and thus can be access and seen from any angle. Interesting...
 
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Fascinating!!!
I agree With Danzman that more theoretical work must be done. This model of spacetime must be able to mathematically resolve into the observed laws of the natural world at all observable scales. If they can make their equations do this, then they get to mount an expensive experiment.

It'd be pretty cool though. Maybe there are stacks of projecting membranes spread for infinity along some hidden axis.
 
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#6 Posted : 1/28/2009 8:27:07 PM

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I lean towards the Holographic model. I recently began reading The Holographic Universe by Micheal Talbot. Many of the main arguments for the Hologram are discussed such as quantum entanglement and the importance of the observer in subatomic particle behavior and it's main implications, as well as the remarkable fact that our memory does not possess a specific location in the brain. Firing of neurons involved with all five senses create interference patterns which contain all the information, past and present, of our memory. Remove any part of the brain and the ENTIRE memory still exists. Most if not all of our abilities involving stored information (such as recognition, all of our physical abilities, etc..) cannot be shown to have a specific location in the brain by modern neurology.

For example: There is an equation that can be used to translate patterns, such as flannel, into interference patterns on a holographic piece of film. When you look at a specific piece of flannel pattern, a specific set of neurons fire (in the portion of the brain that is responsible for vision) that are unique to that pattern. When the piece of holographic film containing the information specific to the same pattern is shown, the exact same neurons fire. This means that our brain is seeing the exact same thing, even though aesthetically, they couldn't be more different.

Another of the reasons I lean towards the holographic model is because when SWIM takes a good dose of LSD, the closed-eye visuals resemble that of a never-ending flux of interference patterns.
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Remove any part of the brain and the ENTIRE memory still exists.


But can't peoples memory be destroyed permanently by brain damage? Is it always possible then to recover the memory of someone suffering from amnesia? What about when the brain shuts down? Sorry lots of question but I am curious.

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Many of the main arguments for the Hologram are discussed such as quantum entanglement and the importance of the observer in subatomic particle behavior and it's main implications, as well as the remarkable fact that our memory does not possess a specific location in the brain.


This is something I have been wondering about. What is an observer?
 
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#8 Posted : 1/29/2009 6:53:37 AM

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I think Hollywood has exaggerated the idea of car injuries and head trauma causing severe memory loss. Amnesia I have no idea about. From what I have read, it is very uncommon for a head injury to cause people to forget significant things, such as half of their family, or half their childhood, or who they are in any sense. Even when large portions of the brain had to be removed, people never had any selective memory loss. It can cause a foggy memory in severe cases, but not total memory loss. The main study that has shown that memory has no specific location in the brain was one where a scientist named Paul Pietsch did experiments with salamanders. Pietsch was trying to prove the holographic memory theory wrong, so he reasoned that if the feeding behavior of a salamander was not in a specific location, then it should not matter how the brain is positioned in the head. If it did matter, then holographic memory is wrong. So he would remove their brain, switch lobes around, sliced parts, flipped it upside down, subtracted parts, and even minced their brains. All 700 of the salamanders recovered with what was left of their brain and were able to resume normal feeding. To my knowledge, neurologists still haven't been able to prove this holographic brain theory wrong. But they haven't necessarily proved it right.



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Many of the main arguments for the Hologram are discussed such as quantum entanglement and the importance of the observer in subatomic particle behavior and it's main implications, as well as the remarkable fact that our memory does not possess a specific location in the brain.


This is something I have been wondering about. What is an observer?


The observer is you! look up the "double slit experiment" on youtube or something. Basically, electrons (little chunks of matter with no know substructure) behave as waves until they are being observed, at which point they turn back into an electron. Its in every state possible until observed. I'm too lazy to type all this, plus youtube will do a much better job.
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The observer is you! look up the "double slit experiment" on youtube or something. Basically, electrons (little chunks of matter with no know substructure) behave as waves until they are being observed, at which point they turn back into an electron. Its in every state possible until observed. I'm too lazy to type all this, plus youtube will do a much better job.


I know the theory. But I think observer has never been clearly defined in any interpretation of quantum mechanics. Is it a conscious human observer animal? Is it all life or is it simply other particles?
 
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"Basically, electrons (little chunks of matter with no know substructure) behave as waves until they are being observed, at which point they turn back into an electron. Its in every state possible until observed."



I don't see how they could suggest that, i wouldn't think an electron would care who's watching, what if it exists as waves and particals as the same time, yet when you view, you can't see waves so you see the particals instead. To me, i wouldn't think things depend on us viewing them to exist in certain forms, they just are what they are, and we see them how our eyes and brains detect them.


They say that shit floats, but mine sinks....why?? I guess i'm just into some heavy shit!
 
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Yes waves and particles are just concepts to describe how they behave in certain situations... in reality they are neither, because neither concept explains their behaviour fully alone.
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I don't see how they could suggest that, i wouldn't think an electron would care who's watching, what if it exists as waves and particals as the same time, yet when you view, you can't see waves so you see the particals instead. To me, i wouldn't think things depend on us viewing them to exist in certain forms, they just are what they are, and we see them how our eyes and brains detect them.


Quantum mechanics has thrown that intuitive world view out the window. Quantum mechanics is real and 'explains' what is going on at the subatomic level however many things are still not clear. Its almost an impossible theory to intuitively understand. Hence all the complex mathematics that goes into it.

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Yes waves and particles are just concepts to describe how they behave in certain situations... in reality they are neither, because neither concept explains their behaviour fully alone.


I think thats an interesting point.
 
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I don't see how they could suggest that, i wouldn't think an electron would care who's watching, what if it exists as waves and particals as the same time, yet when you view, you can't see waves so you see the particals instead. To me, i wouldn't think things depend on us viewing them to exist in certain forms, they just are what they are, and we see them how our eyes and brains detect them.


Quantum mechanics has thrown that intuitive world view out the window. Quantum mechanics is real and 'explains' what is going on at the subatomic level however many things are still not clear. Its almost an impossible theory to intuitively understand. Hence all the complex mathematics that goes into it.





[quote]Yes waves and particles are just concepts to describe how they behave in certain situations... in reality they are neither, because neither concept explains their behaviour fully alone.

Couldn't agree with that statement more.

The observer changed the RESULTS of the tests. That is the key. They discontinue behaving as waves once observed. If it were true that we "just can't see the waves", and they still exist as waves, just invisibly, then you would still get the interference pattern. The observer in the test was a measurement device set up to see precisely what happened when the particle passed through the slits. When particles shot at the double slit (one at a time) were NOT measured AS THEY WENT THROUGH THE SLIT, there appeared an interference pattern (wave quality) in the results. As soon as they set up a measuring device (or observer) to see what precisely was happening AS THE PARTICLE PASSED THROUGH THE SLITS (not to observe the waves themselves), it picked a slit to pass through INSTEAD of passing through BOTH at once to create interference.
Conclusion: When the electrons are OBSERVED (measured, looked at, etc...) as they pass through the slits, they behave as particles. When that measuring device is not present, they pass through BOTH and make an interference pattern.

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I don't know enough about the double slit experiment. What sort of device did they use as the observer? Do different observers have different effects? Maybe some as of yet "unknown" causes the interference pattern, but the observer repels the "unknown" somehow depending on how exactly it detects the particle. Like if it was an x-ray detector, the x-rays would interfere with the "unknown", repel them, and cause the particle to pass through without interference.
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It has nothing to do with the electromagnetic spectrum. The device was measuring the motion of the electron after passing through the slits. Your questions are basically irrelevant because the device measures PHYSICAL properties of the electron, not any electromagnetic qualities. So no, a different observer makes no difference. The fundamental implication is that matter can take any form and that it only does so when being observed. In order for that to be true, the WHOLE must be contained in each individual PART (i.e. a hologram). In other words, all the information in the universe is contained in every single elementary particle and is only manifest when subjected to observation (like when we look out at the world from inside our skull). So the theory suggests that on a very simple, fundamental level, the entire cosmos is made up of interference patterns just waiting to be interpreted. We're literally constructing the cosmos as we go about our day. This is not my theory, this is the holographic theory. and it is still just a theory. But it seems to ME that it is the best interpretation of reality we have so far, mostly because of my own mind boggling experiences not only with psychedelics, but with nature itself and its ability to avoid any reasonable explanation (on the surface the holographic theory sounds fucking outrageous, and not the least bit reasonable). It also seems to go hand and hand with Buddhist teachings.

Dr. Quantum is much better at explaining the double slit.
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although there are still many unknowns and unanswered questions regarding the holographic theory, it is still the most compelling model of the universe yet... in my opinion. The experiment that 970codfert mentioned are quite fascinating, as is the book the holographic universe. i just wonder how DMT fits into all of it Razz
 
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That's my favorite question. What does DMT have to do with all this?
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If it's true, then DMT could possibly be a view of the interference patterns in the universe. I understand what you're saying, that the observer in the experiment simply views, but how does it do so? Maybe some unknown force that isn't electromagnetic interferes with some particles, and the observer interferes with that. They've done that experiment with photons with similar results. I really don't know, but I assume there's more than a high-speed camera or magnification device involved with measuring photon movement. I also assume that the observer in this experiment couldn't simply be human, because they wouldn't be able to view this.

I'm thinking the observer as a sort of radar, that it would emit something in order to detect the movement. Just how do we detect photon movement?
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I will do some research and see if I can find all the details concerning the measuring device. I doubt your the first one to bring these questions up. The double slit experiment was done in 1801 and has been replicated countless thousands of times with the same results. Its importance to quantum physics was brought to light about 40 years ago.
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The only information I could find was from wikipedia, "The detection of a photon involves a physical interaction between the photon and the detector of the sort that physically changes the detector". Seems like it's saying the observer in this case would be a piece of paper/film/whatever that the photon would put a hole in as it passes through the slit. That seems to support wave-particle duality. You could break it down and say a photon is a particle moving back and forth with enough speed to make it seem like a wave, but once it hits matter it loses energy and behaves like a particle. If we had instruments sensitive enough to detect the photon traveling as a wave pattern while not interfering with the movement, we'd probably discover that the potential isn't very random at all, and I think the interference pattern itself in this experiment supports that(well defined pattern with dark bands becoming lighter as they spread out). It is terribly interesting that an object so small can cover such a large area and have potential to interact with it.

I'm always a skeptic. I've tried but I can't give string theory much of a chance. I can consider a holographic universe to an extent at least. It makes me think of light and reflections. Like when you're walking along railroad tracks and the sun is reflecting from one spot on the rail that follows with your movement. The light is reflecting in all directions at all times, but we only see that one reflection, as if that's the only one. If we could see what was happening from all angles, the whole rail would be glowing. So in a sense, all that information is there in that one spot but when we access it, we view one possibility at a time.
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