Red meat is something to be avoided...right now i do not have the luxury of choice,but if i could choose exactly what i ate i would only eat chicken and turkey for health reasons.

That definitely happens, but believing something is good for your body can also make it physically beneficial for you, as in a placebo. Some thought experiments have shown that beliefs are physical phenomena and can be partially measured at certain wavelengths that directly affect matter. I'm not saying you can drink Drano, pretend it's lemonade, and be fine. I'm just saying that belief can go a long way.

Also, I think that a lot of nutrition experts that say people need x amount of any substance to function healthily don't take into account how unique each of our bodies are, and how good they can be at making due with what they're given and adapting to various diets.

What makes you say that ?

I eat meat 6 days per week (3-4 days of beef, 2-3 of fish). I tried a low carb vegetarian diet (lots of vegetables and fish, almost no fats) and lost a lot of weight (and I was skinny to behind with), had severe mood swings and felt bad overall. It was probably not done right but my favorite part of a tuna salad was always tuna so here I am today.

I see you agree with me then.And yes each of our bodies is unique,but there is no body in the world that doesn't need creatine trust me



I say it because you can get the same proteins and other substances from meat like chicken and turkey,but without the fat of red meat.And in my opinion,i think chicken tastes better than pork

No I don't but sometimes I eat fish, but not very often. I actually feel better since I stopped eating meat, about three years ago.

@Indoril_Nerevar: From Wikipedia: "Creatine is not an essential nutrient, as it is manufactured in the human body from L-arginine, glycine, and L-methionine." None of us know what every body in the world needs. Trust me. And I hate to split hairs, but we don't agree on your previous point, either.

Sorry to detract from the topic. How about this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO0aNOpOYF0

Don't eat the skin then Tastewise I prefer a finely seasoned chicken over pork but I favor the fat profile of beef over that in turkey, chicken or pork.

Meat has always been a part of my diet and my parents when they were growing up down to one thing, its cheap. My dad has been a vegetarian for 25 years now though and Ive learned a lot of good things from him. I eat free range organic fed chicken once a week on a sunday then make soup and fajitas the monday, this all started when I started drinking ayahusca a few years ago, plus by then I had learned I could make a hughe pot of lentil curry or veggie curry very cheaply so the meat naturally got cut back. When I was in India for 3 weeks last year I didnt eat one bit of meat, butchers there looked very dirty Im going travelling again and I wont eat meat at all, but plenty fish. Its not a big deal wether I eat it or not, as joedirt said its not going to make much difference if I stop eating meat, its all about balance and I dont think meat is toxic or terribly unhealthy the way some veggie zealots go on about it, though I couldnt eat stews as I see that as stodge, I go periods without meat and think nothing of it, of course farming of animals is a bit sick but I dont eat the cheap stuff now that I can afford my chicken and say im visiting family and they make meat dishes I will join in. I might turn vegetarian as I practically am most of the time but I don't worry about it, when I move away for at least a year I wont eat meat for that year maybe that will put me off it altogether, like some of my family.

I quit eating pork 4 yrs ago and not not got ONE of those flus or nasties since. in fact i was around a friends kid who got that swine flu and fine. I remember reading (used to work out heavily) that certain blood types NEED meat and thats why some are ok and then like Shaolin, are not. It supplies testosterone also. I do know one thing, that when i quit eating meat one year for months i was picking mushrooms, not having luck, and these young bulls were hanging around me, I asked them wheres the mushrooms and honestly(wasnt high yet) the lead one looekd right at me turned his head to an angle to the left and I followed the angle....libererty caps everywhere! i repeated and got same results! I am not playing you. So I do feel that if you do restrain that the animals usually affected will communicate their own way.

are you seriously quoting wikipedia now? you do know wikipedia is free-edit and that any 14-year-old biologist-wannabe could have written that right? if you have any biologist/doctor friend,ask them to give you a pass for pubmed and then you can link me sources from the internet

Ofcourse i don´t eat meat.

I think that book is just bad science. I believe we can adapt to various foods but blood type has "nothing" (at least not to an extend where the whole diet is tailored to a blood type) to do with that adaptation.

Most of the sentences that start with "I read somewhere that" are usually silly anyway and as for the beef i think you should try my chicken,i bet i could change your mind

American Society for Nutrition

American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Vol. 70, No. 3, 570S-575S, September 1999
© 1999

the studies i'm talking about were posted in "Proceedings of the Royal Society: Biological Sciences in 2003" 4 years later by Dr.Caroline Rae.

Link ?

and by the way.. Date by itself doesnt necessarily mean anything, that's a fallacious argument. Lets read the method and check it out what exactly they researched and how...

And here's another link for you:

Health effects of vegetarian and vegan diets Proc Nutr Soc. 2006 Feb;65(1):35-41.

And yet another:

Low meat consumption and mortality


If you want to eat meat, eat meat, thats your choice, but don't act as if studies prove vegetarians are all unhealthy or whatever, because that is simply not true. Some vegetarians may be unhealthy, some meat eaters may be unhealthy, and the inverse can be true too, with a trillion variables involved.

Also, there are so many factors and reasonings behind being a vegetarian or vegan that arent just about health, there are so many possible diets and ways to supplement and take care one is eating healthy and balanced, there are all sorts of different priorities people have and each one will give their own relative subjective value to these different aspects (social, health, moral, ecological sustainability, taste, etc etc). So in the end, each one has to decide for their own what their diet is like, and respect other's decisions in their own diets

Im sorry, but you need to go check some facts. This statement is simply wrong. Entire countries of people have been vegetarian for centuries.

From this paper: http://journals.cambridg...ge=online&aid=795568



Here are a few other key links directly from google scholar praising vegetarianism for treatment of things like rheumatoid arthritis and diabetes.

http://ajph.aphapublicat...bs/10.2105/AJPH.75.5.507
http://www.sciencedirect...cle/pii/014067369191770U




So tell that to this massivly huge vegan body builder.
http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/



Interesting since you didn't provide a link I will provide a link to a recent study showing the EXACT opposite.

http://www.bmj.com/content/334/7587/245.short



Most Importantly


LOL. Yeah I guess that stupid phd I have should be taken away now that I'm vegetarian...oh and my boss is a 20 year vegetarian and she is also a scientist...oh us stupid stupid vegetarian scientists.



Sorry the human body is perfectly capable of surviving on a balanced plant diet alone..In fact it is preferable.

Your argument is totally refuted and insubstantial based on the sheer number of data points (human vegetarians) proving otherwise and I sincerely hope no one takes you seriously.




Right and we should just trust you? Because you provided what for your arguments? A spouted off opinion? lol
A random person on the internet that clearly has zero clue what he is talking about.
One thing is obvios though. Vegetarianism bothers you. That much is clear....funny though.
I haven't seen even a single person try to convince anyone to switch to being a vegetarian...



To late you have already let everyone in on the fact that you are spouting off opinions without facts...that is well dickish. Sorry to be so blunt about it. Not to mention you are quite presumptuous to boot. You honestly think you know why someone feels good?

You have every right to express your opinion on the matter, just realize that unless you can provide facts it is just your opinion. Like I said everyone is entitled to an opinion, but once you cross the line and start acting as though your opinion is fact..well that's just childish and will be met with a lot of resistance at the Nexus.

Eat your meat if you choose, but don't pretend to have some inside knowledge that the rest of us vegetarians are missing...unless of course you can back it up with new facts and informations that I'm sure we'd all like to know about.


You know I'd bet a years salary that the average vegetarian knows way more about diet and nutrition than the non vegetarian...

Peace

Oh but they do

http://iqlift.com/Creatine-Brain-Science.html

the post you sent focuses on cancer,i don't see how that is relative to the study i provided you.And of course it is everyone's choice to eat w/e they like.I don't even judge the tribes that eat their dead family members,its their choice.But people cannot delude themselves by thinking they are healthier because they don't it meat.There are so many complex mechanisms in your body,that you can't even be certain that you don't need something,because it might affect your body in ways you don't even realize.So since we can't be 100% certain,the logical thing to do is eat what we were designed to eat through many many years of evolution.

I very rarely eat beef because my girlfriend is a Hindu. It is a real treat that I have maybe once every few months (she has no objection when I do want to eat it, if she did I would eat it much less still)... IMO nothing beats a delicious steak.

I very rarely eat Lamb / Mutton because it is very expensive, so again this is a real treat that is only indulged in a few times a year.

I eat quite a lot of pork, maybe 3-4 times a week, but only buy the best quality sausages and bacon, as the cheap stuff is just bleurgh... often Bacon is used as an additive to a pretty much vegetarian dish to add a bit more depth and flavour - I make a wonderful mushroom bake with bacon or chorizo for instance, which makes a great breakfast on a lazy Sunday...

Chicken - I am guilty of buying cheap chicken from time to time, but do buy either barn reared or free range as much as possible. Eggs are always free range. I eat eggs quite alot and chicken 1-2 times a week, often using leftovers for another dish, making it go further.

Fish - A nice bit of Haddock / Mackerel / Pollock etc slips down a treat, I generally eat fish once a week,

So to summarise I am a pretty moderate meat eater, and will often go for a few days without eating meat. I did go for a couple of weeks last year without meat and I did feel pretty good, but veggie meals just don't quite 'hit the spot' the way that a decent meaty meal does, so for me at least meat is an important part of my diet.

P.S. I have a bit of a gripe - 'vegetarians' who eat fish. YOU ARE NOT A F%@^ING VEGETARIAN!!! An animal died to provide that meal on your plate, it is meat, it is clearly not a vegetable. Stop lying to yourself and others, you are just a highly selective omnivore, nothing more, nothing less.

i could write a book about how wrong you are,but instead i'll just say: this is my science,i studied it for many years and it puts bread on my table. you are at the best a biology enthusiast with some bad sources,so this arguement is like me saying to a firefighter how to put off fires