Hello...

Although this is swims first post in the Nexus
he is reading since a long time and is thankful
for all the hints and reports that are around here...

Recently swim read around in the organic mescaline
extraction part of the Nexus. He choosed to try it out.

Swim uses following tek and in real asks for help
to dont loose more green gold in the learning process.

:arrow: 50g cactus mixed up with 15g Lime and 110ml hot water
- just enough to make it wet but not watery.
He lets it sit overnight to allow the Lime to break
out the mescaline well from the material.

Then swim adds 100ml sunflower oil and presses the oil
with a filter one hour later out.
This step he repeats 4 times, so to say 5 hours later
he has all the oil collected in a jar. The oil has
changed colour just as described in the other teks.

Then swim washes the alkaloids out from the oil by giving
4 times 100 ml vinegar in the oil. :arrow: He heats it
everytime for short moment on the oven until the vinegar
starts to dance in the oil. Then he lets the mix flow
to a more nice glass container and sucks the vinegar
everytime with his syringe out.

The collected vinegar is then cooked down at high heat until there
is only ~10ml left. Then swim reduces the heat and watches
carefully. When the choosen right amount is hit he transferes
the remaining now darker coloured vinegar on a light pre heated
glas plate for to dry out finally.

What is left finally is just as described in the other teks around,
~ 1.4g (from 50g cactus) orangy-brownish alkaloid-supposed powder.
It is not so sticky as otherways described - maybe due to some
limetraces that have been coextracted with the oil?

But now comes the point that is raising him up for asking for help here:
The material is slightly psychoactive, but not like mescaline.

Swim knows how it feels to have mescaline in the head very well
and the cactus material that is used as a base for the extraction
is for itself very potent - potent enough to be packed in some 00 pills
and have a good flight

So swim tried first 0.25g of the endproduct and because he was just long
waiting for the mescaline to arrive he decided to eat 0.5g more after
2 hours.

What happened then was a light feely of very pleasent euphoria in the
head, but it lasted only for to say some short time. Then later
he just let it be and layed down to bed. He felt slightly activated but
it felt in that moment like definetly not mescaline - compared to what
happens when eating raw cactus powder pills...

Swim tried this tek now allready more then one time and always got at
the end something that was supposed to be the gold but turned out to
be non or douptable active in the end.

He now gives up the idea to waste more cactus for the learning process
because he is not knowing enough to have any more ideas why it is not
working or what could be done better.

So please to all the experienced extractors, chemists and elves out there,
if you have any idea about the topic SWIM is really asking for HELP because
it is somewhat important for him to be able to extract mescaline in an organic
and cheap way that is performable everywhere on the planet.

Love and Thanks for reading..

Hi and welcome to the Nexus!

Re to your problem, how certain are you that you have cactus alkaloids (at least to a relatively clean state) and only these? Was your oil cloudy after making the pull from the lime/cactus mix?

If yes, then there's a very good chance your evaporation product has a significant amount of calcium acetate. That forms from the reaction of calcium hydroxide (that may be in suspension in the oil pull and make it look cloudy) and vinegar that was used to salt the freebase mescaline. This can give the impression of "yield" (since it'll be some whiteish stuff after the vinegar evaporation but it's fluke of course. And you had some crazy good yield as you reported - might be suspicious.

If no, then things are weird, I cannot be of much help.

It is advisable to re-x mescaline after salting with methanol or ethanol to remove any unwanted salt traces.

thanks Infundibulum,

The point is that swim is not sure anymore if there are alkaloids
in the endproduct at all, because the endproduct is not active
even when eaten 50% at one time of the result of 50g extracted cactus.

That means 0.75g from 1.4g of vaporized result from 50g cactus have not been active.

No matter how much calcium or wadawada is inside when eaten 1/2
of it all the mescaline should not mind and show its presence, no?

Swim will receive some MEK soon for to try to outwash any
wadawada from his powders and let show the mescaline itself.

But it seems more likely to him that something in the method
makes the mescaline either not coming in the endproduct or
being disactivated/destroyed on the way.

How much heat mescaline is able to receive?

Should the Lime/Sunflower Oil/Vinegar Method theoretically work?

Which reasons someone can imagine for that it is not working
or why the endresult is not active?

thanks 4 any help..

Here is a photo from 4 kinds of endresults
that swim got so far.

Product A happened when swim tried to put 4 times
more lime then necessary. The endproduct is clearly
whitish by the lime that has been sucked up with the oil.
It was about 14g calciumrich material from 100g cactus.

Product B was swims best hope, it was the last time
he tried and he worked as clean as possible, receiving
1.4g from 50g cactus. But nevertheless 0.75g of it have
not been active also. At this point he gave up and decided
to ask here for help.

Product C was swims first extract, not so clean and a little
bit oily and... also not active at all.

Product D happens when there are more then a little oil traces
left. It is the only one that swim did not try yet and it
is not looking very promising.

Photo 2 shows how spacy it looks when a plant-flowering LED lamp
glows through the Product A cactus-lime mix.

I am laughing at using SWIM, it is an ineffective label so i will ignore that part
-no offense intended


50g cactus and 110 ml water...

What form was the cactus in?

Was is ground to a powder?

I assume you read this tek:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...amp;m=289395#post289395

here is another tek I assume you read:
https://wiki.dmt-nexus.m...ne_Mescaline_Extraction
this employs 100g cactus and 300ml water at a ratio of 1:3 cactus:water, your ratio is roughly 1:2 cactus water. I suspect you need more water.

if you read the lucidlemonade tek there is this quote:

If you also look at the pictures in this tek the consistency of the initial stage is watery, not just wet.

69ron gives a 1:3 ratio and states to make sure the material is wet but not watery, however that is still 30% more water than you are using.

Perhaps another 50ml or so to match the 1:3 ratio from 69rons method would help?

There may simply not be enough water in your tek to allow sufficient migration of the alkaloids, also oil may be absorbed into the cactus, which may need more water to prevent this.

If you material is not a powder issues can arise, but I assume it is a powder.


Not enough water can mean that not much alkaloid is able to be extracted.

the principal of osmosis is important for this type of extraction and this requires a certain minimum amount of water, maybe not watery, but wetter can be better and many good teks are indeed watery.

to quote the Lucidlemonade tek:


The lucidlemonade method then goes on to state:

So it takes a basic solution (lye in this case) that is of a slightly thick soup consistency and then adds more water...

I would wager that you would have better results with more water.

In one recent but unpublished experiment a member used corn oil with an STB method employing lye and found that a watery mixture was more effective. The method started with fresh cactus, which had the spines removed, it was cooked in the microwave and then blended and then enough water was added to it that it was like a thin watery soup, though the cactus "sludge" sank to the bottom.

Lye was added to the water and the material was left to sit for a couple of days (this was done in a 5gallon HDPE bucket)

then corn oil was poured in and gently stirred into the mixture several times, gentle to avoid emulsions and saponification, which can also happen with Ca-hydroxide/lime.

The oil was then removed and put into jars with some vinegar and this was agitated gently and allowed to settle.

The vinegar was removed (via a turkey baster) and boiled down to about 50ml before it was put into the top of a double boiler and dried totally. Then the residue was covered with Isopropyl alcohol (90%) and stirred up, the alcohol mixture was then filtered through a coffee filter to remove the precipitates from the hard water employed in the process, the resulting alcohol solution was a dark brown, this was again put into a double boiler and reduced then it was placed in front of a fan to finish evaporating.

The result was crystalline but ear wax colored residue that was brittle and slightly sticky. It had to be chipped out of the evaporation dish and was like a transparent amber/brown lacquer with visible crystal structure in it.

This residue was tested with a Marquis reagent and the color was orange, indicating mescaline is present. about 50 mg of this residue was bioassayed and found to be mescaline like in activity and comparable to similar size doses of pure mescaline HCL


Oil extractions using lime as the base can cause a lot of calcium to cross over into the final product, this only appears when the acid solution is evaporated, the calcium crashes out. This is true using both vinegar and citric acid as the salting acid.

The solution to this is to use isopropyl alcohol on the dried acetate rich residue and then to filter it, the calcium salts will not be soluble in the isopropyl and the alkaloid salts will be.

Your end result should not be powdery at all, that is not a good sign.

Given what I have read I would add more water and use isopropyl alcohol (IPA as it is commonly abbreviated here) to clean the final product.

Goodluck.

thanks for help!

Swim tried now with more water, one time 150ml
and another time 180ml. and it did not help.

He also tried another kind of calciumhydroxid from
another vendor, without positive result.

Why does it not work with calciumhydroxid-sunfloweroil-vinegar??

Hello!

Recently swim had an Idea why the Lime-Sunfloweroil-Vinegar Tek did not work.

He supposes now that because the sunflower oil takes some lime
its PH Level is due to the calciumhydroxid raised up and the
vinegar does not raise the PH Level down enough for to change
the polarity of the mescaline and therefore cannot take it.

Therefore the mescaline might be still in the oil.

Does anyone has an solution to this problem?

Which chemical can be used to raise down the PH Level enough
in the lime saturated oil for that the mescaline polarity switches
and the vinegar can take it¿?

Can it be enough to use a 25% vinegar instead of 5%?

Any other ideas?

Thanks to any response so much!

Can Isopropylalcohol be used to swap out the mescaline
from the lime satured sunfloweroil mix?

Can then later Vinegar be used to get it out of the isopropylalcohol?


thanks for any help!

*putitup*