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Extracting DMT with ethanol, vinegar and sodium carbonate Options
 
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#21 Posted : 9/6/2013 11:55:40 PM

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It should work just the same with acacia, but if acacia has significant amounts of other alkaloids, they will probably be there in the end product too.

I didn't measure how much ethanol I used, but if we take mimosa volume estimates and consider I added about 1-1.5x the volume of plant material in alcohol per pull, per 100g mimosa I probably used from 185ml to 277ml alcohol per pull. Then later obviously one will need smaller amounts to dissolve the freebase from the crude extraction.
 

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#22 Posted : 9/7/2013 8:55:11 PM
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Might I suggest this Topic is Stickied?
 
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#23 Posted : 9/8/2013 11:59:25 PM

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Not necessarily a problem, but I didn't have enough ethanol (and the liquor store isn't open today) so I did a pull with 91% iso, which is currently in the jar. Anyway, the iso turned dark blue-green. Like I said, not necessarily a problem, but I've never that color come out of MHRB before. I used 40g powdered mimosa and excess sodium carbonate and dried it overnight (it was still *slightly* damp, but the relative humidity has been hovering around 80% because it's been raining since yesterday).


EDIT: I evaporated a small amount, and the resulting waxy material has a distinctive DMT smell to it. I think this may end up being my tek of choice from now on.
 
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#24 Posted : 9/9/2013 12:54:41 AM

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endlessness.. did you ever find out whether there was excess sodium carb in there in the end? if so what was the difference in weight afterwards?
 
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#25 Posted : 9/10/2013 12:10:36 AM
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btw, nonvolatiles in vinegar were suspected because they were really there. eels and "mother of vinegar" are filtered out mostly i guess, but maybe not much more. "distilled" on the label, in the legal (really) sense, refers to the ethanol feedstock. once vinegar is distilled, it isn't vinegar.
 
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#26 Posted : 9/10/2013 7:43:51 AM

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The IPA was really dark green when I first pulled it, but after evaporating the whole thing down, it turned the usual dark orange-brown that I'm used it. Weird.

I tested ~50mg of the resulting goo, and it's VERY active. Gonna further refine it and make some changa.
 
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#27 Posted : 9/10/2013 1:15:08 PM

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Thanks for expanding experiments, everybody!

Acacian, I did not purify and weigh it further so i'm not sure the exact yield, but from the amounts of active doses, it seemed like good yield. I'd like to test it again with proper measuring. Maybe someone else does it before me Smile

It would not be hard to gather the active goo/wax, weigh it, get a known part of it (for example half), and then recrystallize with naphtha or similar and see how much one can get of reasonably pure DMT from it.
 
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#28 Posted : 9/11/2013 11:53:08 PM

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I forgot to weigh the active wax before I redissolved it in ~100ml IPA that I dried with magnesium sulfate (91% prior to drying), but I should have results within a few days.
 
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#29 Posted : 9/15/2013 4:11:21 AM

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Cleaned up my red-orange mimosa wax with another IPA wash and filtered all the remaining plant matter and sodium carbonate, and ended up with ~600mg of dark-red goo.

Also tried the same process on a cebil seedpod I received as a free sample last year, as well as ~30g of finely shredded black caapi vine.

1.2g of seeds and the single seedpod yielded ~100mg of brownish wax.

The 30g of vine yielded ~600mg of waxy harmala alkaloids.


In the coming weeks I'll likely clean these yields up some more. Expect bioassays soon.

Cheers! Big grin

EDIT: Made a DMT-heavy changa mix from the red goo. Results: My god! Shocked Shocked Shocked Nothing else needs to be said of it.
 
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#30 Posted : 10/28/2013 3:18:53 AM

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Do you think some kind of high proof alcohol (vodka jumps to mind) would work for this, or should one go get some IPA or order 95% ethanol for this?

IPA isn't hard to get, but if vodka works, I could start this tonight (who needs sleep anyway?)

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#31 Posted : 11/3/2013 10:45:24 PM

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Vodka would work if that's all you've got, but you're gonna end up with a lot of water soluble junk in your final product. You''ll have an easier time (and a cleaner product) using IPA or grain alcohol.
 
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#32 Posted : 11/4/2013 1:27:06 AM

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I figured that, once I had everything reduced down to a much smaller volume (including the water soluble stuff the vodka pulled), I could do a pull with acetone, which shouldn't grab as much stuff, to purify it a bit.

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#33 Posted : 11/8/2013 3:05:39 AM

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Sometimes ethanol is denaturated with IPA and sold as rubbing/desinfecting alcohol...your pharmacist would be a good place to start...plus this stuff is cheap Pleased
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#34 Posted : 11/16/2013 4:27:16 PM

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Thanks for this workup and at least the approximate measures. It would be great to see a writeup with specific measurements. Any word on the analysis?
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#35 Posted : 11/19/2013 5:53:55 AM

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I just wrapped up an extraction using this Tek of ACRB. I'm not sure when exactly I'll have a chance to bio-assay it (I'm being drug free for a while, for mental health reasons), however I will let you all know when it's done.

It produced a beautiful violet colored brew and the changa I made with it smells delicious.

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#36 Posted : 11/24/2013 1:12:34 AM

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Bioassayed some changa made from ACRB using this method, and it definately works.

I smoked quiet a bit and didn't manage to break through, however, I did have a very high ratio of leaf to DMT, so if I had made a more concentrated batch, I imagine I could have gone a lot farther.

Chalk this up as one more point to this tek
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#37 Posted : 12/10/2013 9:11:20 PM

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keleblin wrote:
Cleaned up my red-orange mimosa wax with another IPA wash and filtered all the remaining plant matter and sodium carbonate, and ended up with ~600mg of dark-red goo.


I can't seem to find the post where you mentioned which material you started with, and how much Pleased

I'd also like to hear some more quantitative reports if any are available...
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#38 Posted : 3/4/2014 9:28:35 AM

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dooby wrote:
keleblin wrote:
Cleaned up my red-orange mimosa wax with another IPA wash and filtered all the remaining plant matter and sodium carbonate, and ended up with ~600mg of dark-red goo.


I can't seem to find the post where you mentioned which material you started with, and how much Pleased

I'd also like to hear some more quantitative reports if any are available...



I started with MHRB, pulled with 91% IPA. Subsequent pulls were done with IPA dried with MgSO4.
 
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#39 Posted : 3/4/2014 11:55:47 AM

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pau wrote:
Before I try, can anyone chime in on how this tek might go using acacia?


You would need to defat somehow.
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#40 Posted : 4/6/2014 7:50:07 AM

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Du57mi73, why do you say you`d need to defat with acacia?

This would probably work for acacia too, though I can`t be sure how final product would look like, could be more or less gooey, but that doesn`t matter much you can always infuse herbs if its not solid enough to manage, and it would definitely be active if your acacia has the wanted alkaloids.

intosamadhi, no, probably not safe to use. What other solvents can you find, any other type of alcohol like ethanol, or maybe acetone, or?
 
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