This is my new years eve experience with the amanita muscaria – ayahuasca combo. If any of you is considering trying this out, please read this first, you may find it helpful.

Me and my partner started at 8 pm by ingesting the amanita muscarias. My dose was 3.5 grams, my partner’s 6 grams, on an empty stomach. After a bit more than 1 hour, we drank 1 cup of ayahuasca each (brewed from 300 g black caapi and 100 g chaliponga, enough for 2 sessions for us). Within approx. 40 minutes, I started to feel extremely nauseous, with severe stomach cramps and vomited after struggling 30 more minutes. My partner didn’t vomit at this point, however he was feeling pretty sick.

He soon fell into a deep state of narcosis, that lasted until 12 pm, when the loud fireworks from outside woke him up. While he was floating, I had a wonderful journey, with visions starting to emerge at a fast pace. They were typical aya visions, yet they were changing rapidly, and I suppose this velocity was caused by the shrooms.

The fact that I didn’t lose consciousness is or due to the smaller dose of amanitas, or because I vomited pretty soon. Then we drank our 2nd cup of ayahuasca – I could hardly swallow it, it was even more horrendous than usually, and after 1 hour, vomited again. Yet, besides all the difficulties on a physical level, the trip itself was truly amazing. I found that visions started becoming much more complex than with aya only, changing intensely, with extremely vivid colors. I drank 2 more cups (the last one at 5 am), felt very-very sick again, vomited violently, this time accompanied by a diarrhea, too! You can imagine me, sitting on the toilet, with my head in the sink. I was glad the sink was so close to the toilet, really. Don’t recall being so sick from aya only or amanitas only. After the last massive purge I felt released, but exhausted and severely dehydrated.

Nevertheless flying in an open space… As I was lying in bed, the most exciting thing occurred – I was past visions, but entered a state of enlightenment, that is the deepest state of meditation I could ever experience. I have to use the term enlightenment, I was beyond any duality, any attachment, just observing my life and my deeds with pure objectivity. As if I became so much more emotionally intelligent than in my everyday life, and as if I were inspecting my recent mistakes, delays, problems, all of them. This happens with aya only, too, yet this time every aspect was so highlighted, it was almost scary. Interestingly, I felt the presence of several benevolent entities. I didn’t see them, but knew they were there with me, supporting me in finding solutions / correcting my mistakes. I simply felt that I wasn’t alone inside me. Very strange experience, as with aya I saw entities many time, with dmt , too, but this time I didn’t see them, just felt their powerful presence.

My partner drank more aya than me, and he vomited after the last one (he almost never vomits from psyches, so it had a powerful effect on him, too). He also had impressive visions, and was in deep meditation. I think if I didn’t have meditation practice besides the experience with both of these entheogens, I would have panicked for sure. Feeling so sick and diving so deeply inside oneself is not a piece of cake for everyone. Since the experience, I’m enjoying the benefits of the afterglow, and meditate even more every day.

Conclusion and a little advice: this was a difficult trip, both on a physical and on a spiritual level. My partner had too much shrooms, that’s why he couldn’t really enjoy the first part of the trip, only after the effect of the shrooms had decreased. I think I was lucky with my dose, I went along my intuition. If any of you is thinking about trying this out, please be careful with the doses! Too much shrooms, and it’s a waste of both the shrooms and the brew. This ayamanita or amanitaya is not a combo I’ll be doing too often!

I had to recover for almost 2 days after it, I was so weak, I’ve definitely lost some weight, and I had to skip yoga for a few days as I didn’t even have to power to stand on one leg… Now everything’s fine, I’m back to my usual routine, and yesterday evening had a little amanita-weed meditation session.

Thanks for taking time to read this, good vibes, everyone!

Sounds like a nice powerful experience you had although very strong.

Your post has been quite useful to me as my hamster has had an amanita muscaria tincture lying about for over a year. (unsure on strength from memory, will clarify later) After a success with Caapi-copy and liberty-caps, he may try the Amanita-MuscariAyahuasca combo on it's own minus any chaliponga or admixture.

They get a lot of bad press, but i think fungi + Aya combinations have a lot of untapped potential to be explored...with caution and respect of course.

How would you typically compare the Amanita character to other types of shrooms?

Again, I'm Glad you had an illusion dissolving experience

Great care has to be taken when using amanitas, personally I find the stupor that one may hastily fall into, followed by the near-coma to be very frigthening.

I've eaten some A.Pantherinas in the past but I never felt safe enough to take any larger quantities, a small piece of its cap would usually set me in a heavy roll for hours, if I took more than that I would just abruplty fall into this wierd sleep/coma state for some time.

Sounds like you two had a rough but fun night though!

This is fascinating combination.
I have to sample (now!) a small bit of this new batch of panther caps before mixing anything with it.

Thanks for posting, I too think this mushroom deserve more attention from experienced users (as the deliriant effect isn't nearly as safe as a good dose of psilocibin or n,n-DMT), to d-T-r mamanita aren't a trytamine based alcaloid, it's primary constituant being muscimol (ibotenic acid is converted into muscimol in drying or cooking the fresh mushroom).
Muscimol is a natural dissociative, deliriant in high dose. In low dose it isn't as visual as tryptamine are but in higher dose and especially in cmobination with mescaline, LSD, or ayahuasca for exemple it gets more visual than either on its on.
Maybe from the dissociation and synergy they offer with various tryptamines or phenethylamine, it happen to drive fully in other world as sharp and colored as a good dose of vaped n,n-DMT or changa in my experience. The experience can last long and be exhausting however.

Thanks for the experience report.

I am really glad we are getting some good qualitative reports about the amanita. You have helped out quite a bit in this department. I feel like its one of the entheogens that we still do not know a whole lot about, so it's awesome to about its use.

Glad to hear everything is fine now!

I also experienced that amanita can make tryptamine visuals flow faster and make them gain in complexity.

It is possible that caapi amplifies the effects of amanita´s since it works on the GABA receptor like alcohol, GHB and benzodiazepines, and i´m not surprised that this combo made you feel realy sick.

Thanks for all your valuable feedback, it means a lot to me! Since embarking on this quest for finding out more about the psychedelic possibilities amanitas can teach us, it became increasingly important for me to share my findings with you.

Amanitas are very different than the psylocibe family, as rOm has explained it above. They are tricky, because one can never guess their potency, and because of this, I highly encourage testing a small amount of the dried materia first, eg. 3-4 grams of the muscaria types, and less than 3 grams of panthers as these are usually more potent than their muscaria brothers.

One occasion is not enough to let the spirit of this entheogen work on you. It has to be consumed regularly, in small doses (large doses can lead to unconsciousness or to very wild trips, as I reported here: https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=27494 ), and after a while you’ll discover what lies beneath.

I found that small caps are regularly more potent and produce a more visually enhanced effect than larger ones. Also, the stems don’t work at all, so it’s advised to collect only the caps, and leave the rest behind. Of course, 1-2 shrooms should be picked with stems and everything, for correct identification.

The best way to experiment with amanitas in my opinion is to smoke / vaporize some pot 30-40 minutes after ingestion (recommended on an empty stomach). The effect is great, visually it resembles a good psylocibe trip, and it creates an internal silence and emptiness, just perfect for meditation. After doing this combo 3-4 times a week since August I feel that it helped me a lot in my meditation practice and maintaining vitality and motivation.

After becoming familiar with the effect these shrooms can have, one can start experimenting with different combos or with larger doses.