My trip... inexplicable. I was in the presence of a six-armed Shiva, I felt a strong urge to jump off of my friends balcony 4 floors up from the street in the city of Austin... I suddenly began to do a extremely unique (yet beautiful and amazingly pleasurable feeling) dance that felt natural, yet unnatural at the same time, as if the movements were not my own like strings were attached to my limbs and I was being manipulated by a puppeteer. The experience was absolutely mind blowing and beautiful, yet also intensely scary/creepy as well. Two sides to it.

At one point, I was being hypnotized. I remember seeing the stereotypical swirling image associated with being hypnotized, and I saw a pocket watch swaying back and forth. Even more eerie, I saw the word OBEY repeating everywhere. All this while experiencing the familiar feeling of the loop, the perception of time we are used to dissolving and experiencing that moment as an eternity. Forever being hypnotized. This detail of the trip really kind of scares me to think back on. Based on research and just possible conclusions that I've come to regarding psychedelics from reading and personal experiences... I've often pondered whether or not they open a door to unseen world/entities and allow us to interact/be interacted with by these entities. I feel as though I may have been "hypnotized" or "brainwashed" to look at the experience as a beautiful and refreshing positive one... I felt amazing after coming to. But in reality, why? Thinking of the experience and what it consisted of and the images and feelings that were perceived, what on earth would make me feel good about wanting to commit suicide and being hypnotized or being manipulated to move in a way that was against my will?

I understand many of you hold DMT very close to your heart. But I want anyone who chooses to get involved with this thread and add any of their input to keep an open mind and to consider what I've said.

Chemicals and other important details:

5'9, 125 (Skinny)
Dosage: .25 g Methylone IV, 80mg Spice smoked via bong with several hits.

After that trip I felt the need to blast off again... shot another .25 Methylone & smoked 100mg of Spice... This was my first significant experience with DMT, previously having smoked .02 spice with very very mild effect. The methylone I believe prevented me from passing out.

Wondering if anyone has ever had similar experiences?

how about not doing stimulants at the same time?

Welcome to the Nexus

Ok, so my opinion on this: DMT is not all love and cheeky entities, most of my experiences have been extremely pleasant, but I have been exposed to its darker more fearful side a couple of times.

Your doses seem incredibly high to me. 0.030 will be a heavy breakthrough for me if correctly vaporised, I'm not surprised 0.080 was a heavy and unnerving experience tbh. I would be surprised if all of it was vaped, your bong tube probably has quite a lot of Spice that has melted and run off.

"previously having smoked .2 spice with very very mild effect." 200mg?! Mild?! I really can't imagine that large a dose being mild if vaped correctly... I honestly think you are wasting a lot of good Spice. Just my 2c.

My mistake, I meant 20mg. Kinda catching a nod from this dope at the moment.

I can't say that I've necessarily noticed them hypnotizing or brainwashing me exactly, but I do feel like they take advantage of your attention in much the same way a magician does. It's like when you're looking at something that seems very sacred or you see something that resonates with you as highly important or unique or whatever, and then they're practically like, "hey look over here, look at what we're doing, isn't this the coolest?" So while you're busy looking at whatever they've formed to distract you with, they've cleverly guided you away from the sacred object/area entirely such that you may not even remember you were looking at something sacred or even something else at all to begin with. They grab your attention in one way so they can manipulate what's going on in another. This certainly isn't always the case, but I've noticed it a couple times, and I thought it kind of fits in this thread.

Why do you need IVing methylone before smoking DMT ? If you have pre flight anxiety some sublingual harmalas might really help, or you could just smoke some
plain caapi 10x before or (and that's a favorite of mine) drink a cup of aya.

And by the way you should improve your smoking technique, buy a GVG or make changa and smoke it with a bong.

methylone will seriously colour your journey. DMT's action is serotonergic while methylone is more of a dopamine and norepinephrine releaser.

it's the stimulant that's deceptive...

Maybe it's just your spirit wanting to be free from the confines of your body? Or maybe there is a malevolent energy trying to manipulate you, or it could be a subconscious psychological reaction.

By the way, I looked up methylone on Wiki and have never been so confused. I still don't know what it is!

Methylone is synthesized from cathinone i believe, like mephedrone. it is a stimulant similar to MDMA but has more of a "speedy" quality to it. Really dirty stuff IMO and i don't understand why you would IV it and not just bomb it (parachute). Why not just smoke the DMT on its own too? Different strokes i guess

By the way, if you plan on ever smoking changa, please make sure you are not on a substance like methylone. Stimulants and harmalas don't mix!

Right, to be honest if you're IVing stims you should maybe reconsider your drug habits, or learn the hard way...

In a space, or hyper space, of infinite possibilities there should be no suprises.

IV stimulant use used to make me feel suicidal also. Thats why I dont do it anymore.

I would also probably never consider vaping DMT on a fourth floor balcony.

Sounds like you didnt pay much attention to set and setting before you launched.

i had a simpilar experience one, i was in a tempol being shown a ritual, a dance behind a transparent material. they cane forward and held up objects like stone slabs with writing i didnt understand, then laughed at me for not understanding. they reached for me, had no bones, arms stretching towards my face, touching me, i could feel their hands and it scared the hell out of me.

to be honest i like the dark trips as much as the light, not for the common reason of learning more, but just because it can be so inspieringly intence! to be honest id love you haveyou're hypnosis trip, sounds incredible

as has been said though, i recomend leaving methylone out of it

enjoy the daaarknesss

King Fantastic,

Thank you for sharing this report with us. I'm going to rant and pontificate a bit here so let me open with: These are just the singular opinions of one woman, no more, no less:

Yeah, if there's any chance you could do DMT without putting it in combination with an upper, downer, benzo, etc. I'd highly encourage it.

DMT shows us what is deeply inside of us. I think EVERYONE has had suicidal thoughts at least once in their lives, if they are honest. Freud even talked about a death impulse or drive in humans. Anyway, unless you feel overtly depressed, despairing or suicidal, I would suggest not worrying about it too much. Consider it a datum of information in your path of self-exploration. Use it to inform your actions in the future - to make you a safer man.

I smiled when reading you felt hypnotized and saw all that old imagery. Reminded me of old Twilight Zone episodes and really cheesy Hollywood productions. One thing DMT does is has a huge body load. That feeling of being crushed, paralyzed etc. What part of that is, is a nearly irresistable TRANCE. I am convinced that is what you felt and your subconscious/imagination just ran with it, using the DMT as a catalyst to provide the visuals.

Anyway, thanks again for sharing. I hope you can continue your explorations with spice using it by itself or perhaps in combination with other psychedelics such as LSD or mescaline. Regardless, my fellow human and psychonaut, I wish you nothing but

Peace & Love

I've been hypnotized a couple of times while tripping, although each time I felt it was for my own good.

The times it's happened has always come when I'm either terribly, terribly confused or distressed during the trip somehow. I've always considered it a blessing in disguise, although it does take a little bit of trust that what 'they' are keeping from you is just too much for you to take in at that given moment.

Baby steps... as Teo often likes to tell me

gotta agree here.

I used to IV stims daily, and a high dose 5meo-DMT trip set me right. It seems to me that DMT will not only open some doors but show you which parts of our life habits are unhealthy....and it will point them out very loudly, especially if you're partaking in unison.

I like to think of DMT as my spiritual physician. A quick check-up and it will point out d what parts of my energy feild are not functioning up to par.

I changed the title of this thread to better describe its content.

"DMT, deceptive nature detected." => "Methylone + DMT, deceptive nature detected."


Kind regards,

The Traveler

I agree that iv'ing methylone is bad news, specially since you don't know the impurities, and are basically a lab rat for a new untested chemical, with an uncommon administration method. But saying methylone is more speedy/dirty than mdma seems backwards imho. I have not tried mdma, but methylone has very little body load and seems much less stimulating that other phenethylamines I've tried such as mescaline and 2c's. Also, it seems methylone is much less neurotoxic than mdma, albeit with different affects. Never had any real bruxism from methylone, even with largish doses, definitely can't say that for mesc, 2ci, 25d, or 25c.

However, its a newish compound and doesn't have the track record of mdma, so take all that with a grain of salt. I just know from personal experience, and what has been shared by a large majority of methylone users on another forum, that its much less stimulating and has less of a body load/unpleasant affects than mdma. Its definitely less than mdma for sure though. Perhaps people have to take more methylone to get the same amount of serotonegenic activity compared to mdma, and the different receptor binding/releasing ability of methylone makes it more dopaminergeric/norephenepherinegenic at those doses, causing more stimulation. For a quick ghetto example, if mdma has a 3:1:1 releasing ability for serotoninopamine:norephenepherine, and methylone has a 2:1:1 s:e ratio. More dopamine/norephenpherine activity for the same amount of serotonin releasage.

Methylone + DMT is something i want to try though, seems like an interesting combo

Indeed. I remember a news story within the past year where a kid smoked salvia and jumped off his balcony and killed himself.

lol such a classic horror story

"you dont see ducks catchin' an elevator up to the top floor do you, they just take off from the ground"

I'm not referring to a horror story. This actually happened..

http://abclocal.go.com/w.../new_york&id=8001683