the moment just before you get the visuals in your vision.....

is it just me or is it like this for everyone....

i kinda hate that weird high you get , like it feels like you have not eaten for days , or the high gets so intense in your mind its like.. shit i cant possibly do another toke.

is this common ?

there a way around it ? or am i just meant to go with it and appreciate it knowing im prob only 1 more toke away from the full on visuals and prob only 2 tokes away from hyperspace ?

I think it's your body adjusting...

Personally, I always take only one large hit of the full dose from GVG. After I exhale I'm going. Therefore don't have to battle with second or third hit and being "half there".

damn , so im gona have to sincerely consider a GVG , or shall i just get a proper home made changa pipe ?

i have tried a glass pipe.. and it seams to be a epic fail.

i always do it with caapi leaves method.

I do as tele suggests – I take one inhalation and get a full dose vaporized.

I had the problem where my depth perception never made it past the first hit, so lining up lighter to device was always a challenge. And the “rush” or intense lightheadedness that you describe is something I felt as well. Makes taking multiple inhalations challenging, especially if you’re alone.

Got a GVG, worked on my technique, and all that is now history.

alot of peeps in this forum go on about GVG.
is this a particular vap ?

or any vap will do really ?

Its Glass Sherlock VG

HERE

how is that even a vap ? its just a glass pipe right ?

im getting confused.

i tried a crack pipe , and actually found it more difficult to use and felt i lost heaps lol

It IS a vaporizer par excellence; if you look at the removable glass top piece you will see a filter piece within it which prevents the flame getting near the tackle.Believe me, it works rather too well!

Hi,

It starts for me like this:
I'm holding breath, lungs full of dmt. I fell heat in my lungs and coldness in my limbs, belly. Then I feel a frequency, it's like electric current in my spine coming up to neck. Then I hear it in my ears. It's definitely a frequency. It gets louder and louder very fast and I start to see it, feel it... It's everywhere. It's carrier wave ready to take me away.

Now, here is the moment. Jurema is powerful but still needs my help. At this point I put smile on my face and kind of immerse into the wave. I dive in by to pay attention only to wave nothing else, with last thought like "jurema take me where I've never been" or whatever I bother plant for.
If I don't surrender to carrier wave I get the mind fuck you talk about. Bad trip will probably follow. Happened to me few times.
Jurema showed me THE FEAR without remembering what HOPE feels like
Dim light of candle or full darkness is a must. Then I see the wave more than any other demonstration of it (demonstration is wrong word, my english is crap ) and it's easy to immerse to it. IME day light - waste of jurema spice.

When I'm back from triptamine outer world I always has expression of awe on my face instead of smile

And by the way vaped jurema spice doesn't smell like plastic. More like exotic jungle flower/mushroom/root altogether to me.

I totally agree darkness is best. But try to look at nature in daylight on the D, it's incredible.

Plastic smell might be the result of burning it or applying too much heat for vaporization.

The smell is beaufitul, even when it's inside your lungs. However, couple times for some weird reason it felt like I inhaled ONION SMOKE (the taste was the same)

You dont need a VG to get it all in one hit...If you do, than your method is off or something. I can take it all in one hit with a bong or bubbler.

Maybe, but the GVG sure does take all the work out of it. It couldn't get any easier with the GVG.
One toke doses seem to avoid that uncomfortable feeling for me.

I say theres truth in both opinions cited.The GVG does make it easy, infact sometimes a little too easy, to get the dose in one hit.Unless youve loaded 40 or more mgs in the GVG, I find the visuals are manageably underway as I turn to put the GVG down. With the bubbler, because the process takes longer to fully combust the tackle ( I refer to changa here), I find Im significantly more cabbaged as I stumble to put the bong down.I have cleared 128mg of changa (=50ish mgs DMT) in one breath in a bubbler and thats the most smashed Ive ever been, on anything, period.

what a fine choice of words


to me it was so uncomfortable that i could not break through at all, panic was setting in due to the shocking weirdness. Then justifications form in my mind like im unable to take another toke
if one just accepts the weirdness it is very possible to stay in the "outside" world long enough to get the right amount.

but id also prefer a gvg if i would have access to it, very fine tool

on a sidenote, it should be called gvg-nexus

I also battle to get a full dose in 1 toke, so I usually go for 2, but alot of the time I need 3. The only problem is that after the 2nd toke I can barely see my hands or the pipe for all the geometric bedazzlement. I have only managed to get the pipe back to my mouth and figure out how to work the lighter a few times, probably 10 altogether, and then I manage to launch. Most of the time I sorta float around in this place filled with beautiful shapes, morphing colour wheels, and some entities, but its not a full breakthrough.

I have been using changa for a bit now, and I think what I'm going to do is get myself vibrating nicely with a few bowls of changa and then try vaping, I reckon the changa will have lifted me enough so that I only need 1 good toke to launch properly. I'm not sure if this is gonna work, but it seems to me like it would be a good idea.

I am planing to do the same thing my self. I am sure after changa you will not need to vape so much of spice.

Is the point to get more DMT in your system or get MAOI'd?
The amount of smoke/vapor required seems like a bit of a hassle compared to one hit wonder.
And if one feels it's difficult to get full dose in one hit, one should try to lower the vaping temperature(easier inhalation) or get pipe that enables one hit journeys. Personally I can't imagine even lighting up second hit. When I exhale, I'm usually blasted off "there". Holding a pipe and lighting up would be mission impossible for me(well the bowl is cleared in one hit anyway). It really is EASY with the GVG to get the full dose in one hit, copper mesh and proper vaporization temperature(cool enough) are the key.

Yeah I'm hoping a friend of mine brings me back a GVG from the States, but he is not very reliable.
I managed to get a pretty good drag in last night, that sent me straight through the spinning Chrysanthemum vortex, but I was back within 2 minutes or so. I reckon I just need to refine my vaping technique, and have yet to use changa before vaping (hoping to try it tonight)

Can't you just order the GVG by mail like everyone else outside US? Sure there's tax and shipping charges, but it's more than worth it, ask me or anyone else outside US with a glass genie.

Its easy enough to get your dose in one lungfull through a bong - making some enhanced leaf or Changa should do the trick - works for me every time

But yeah, I have a GVG winging its way over the pond as we speak