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get remaining naptha out of my crystals? Options
 
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#1 Posted : 8/14/2011 1:03:28 PM
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well i seemed to get alot of crystals with no naptha left in them at all but the other half def has naptha left in them since when its gets room temp the crystals melt only the crystals with naptha still soaked in them.. any idea how to dry the naptha out of my xtals? thanks in advance!
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#2 Posted : 8/14/2011 1:06:30 PM

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redissolve in non-denatured ethanol or acetone and re-evaporate Smile
 
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#3 Posted : 8/14/2011 1:15:26 PM
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so i looked up non-denatured ethanol and it says its alchole so explain mroe how i would do this please? and explain how if i were to use Acetone if its not too much to ask for. thanks!
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#4 Posted : 8/14/2011 1:20:51 PM

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just add a bit till it all dissolves and let it all evaporate/dry again, very simple Smile
 
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#5 Posted : 8/14/2011 1:26:45 PM
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so disolve into the non-denatured ethanol or acetone and freeze precip again then take it out and dry it?
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#6 Posted : 8/14/2011 1:30:48 PM

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no, no freeze precip, just evaporate.. the remaining naphtha will spread/mix in the ethanol or acetone and evaporate away as they evaporate away too.
 
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#7 Posted : 8/14/2011 2:02:06 PM
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how do i recover the crystals then? (srry this was my 1st extraction)
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#8 Posted : 8/14/2011 2:26:41 PM

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the crystals will be left over in your container once the solvents are evaporated. evaporate in a wide flat bottom container, like a pyrex dish
 
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#9 Posted : 8/14/2011 2:34:46 PM
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ok so how much acetone should i use alot or just a bit? and evaporate in room temps?


and just so i understand the acetone will take the naptha out of the crystals and evaporate with the acetone leaving the crystals. the crystals just form or would i need to put it in a freezer after acetone evaps?
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#10 Posted : 8/14/2011 3:21:59 PM

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just a bit, enough to dissolve everything, and evap in room temp. And yes just let it stand till its completely dry, no need for freezer at any moment.
 
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#11 Posted : 8/14/2011 3:23:24 PM

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SWIM evaps in the fridge
 
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#12 Posted : 8/14/2011 3:25:01 PM

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Confused hopefully a fridge only for this and not containing food that you'll later eat ??
 
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#13 Posted : 8/15/2011 4:13:41 AM
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acetone is just nail polish remover right?
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#14 Posted : 8/15/2011 5:43:41 AM

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You want to get pure acetone if possible. There is no telling what kind of extra crap is in nail polish remover. I would NOT suggest it.
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#15 Posted : 8/15/2011 5:44:42 AM

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Egokiller wrote:
SWIM evaps in the fridge


As Endlessness said, I hope that this fridge is just for extractions. As that stuff evaps it will soak into any food that is in the fridge. Please be safe.
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It seems to me that the addition of extra materials is not needed. Naphtha will evaporate on it's own. If your wet crystals were set out to dry, and the naphtha is still present in a few days, that may not be naphtha.

No need to "remove" the naphtha, just let your crystals dry completely. The naphtha removes itself.
 
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#17 Posted : 8/15/2011 10:51:26 PM

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Yes and no. You're right that the naphtha hydrocarbons are volatile and should evaporate cleanly on their own, so letting it stand (or breaking it up and moving it once in a while) will dry it up well.. BUT... This doesnt take in account that as crystals are formed, they can trap solvent inside their crystal lattices, so to redissolve in ethanol/acetone and re-evap will remove those small naphtha traces.

The OP should make sure that his naphtha evaporates cleanly in the first place, in any case...
 
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#18 Posted : 8/16/2011 11:01:10 PM

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I never considered that before. I have always just done the freeze, and dried my crystals on a plate, but never redisolved in acetone or alcohol. Wouldn't tiny fractions of those chems also become trapped in the crystal?

Just for the sake of conversation, my spice has never been harsh or had an unpleasant taste, even with my disregard for trapped naphtha in dry crystals. Am I doing myself a disservice to not further clean spice that was crystalized out of naphtha or heptane? Even if it is white as snow?
 
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#19 Posted : 8/17/2011 12:59:57 AM

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Well it all depends how much of a perfectionist you are, I guess.. Given one has let it dry apparently well enough, and considering one anyways only vaporizes around 50mg of product to begin with, I think the amount of naphtha trapped in crystals is very small. People living in a city or painting a house are probably inhaling way bigger amounts of hydrocarbons regularly. I think most dmt smokers will be smoking crystals with small amounts of solvents and I think in general it wont be too bad (but then again, how much of the cases of people with headaches and other side-effects is actually because of petrochem traces?)

In any case, personally I am very picky, because Im just about to 'launch off to another dimension', I specially dont want to be inhaling petrochemicals when im doing it. Since a couple of years already I only smoke limo-extracted, fumarate-salted and water-crystallized-freebase anyways.. But even if not, I would make sure to remove those petrochem traces, and make my ride as smooth as possible.

As for traces of ethanol and acetone getting trapped in crystals, not really. Acetone and ethanol evaporate in a way that does not allow for big crystal formations like naphtha/heptane, therefore diminishing the amount of solvent trapped. Also acetone evaporates REALLY fast and well, which further diminishes chance of any traces. Lastly, ethanol and acetone are less toxic than petrochems, ethanol being drinkable as you know, and acetone being a compound present in small amounts in fruits for example and therefore the body being used to it in small amounts.

Heres one thing you can do: Get a small part of your stash and do the acetone/ethanol redissolution, and evap again. Then smoke that, in comparison to your normal crystals, and see if you prefer it in any way, or if you feel its a waste of time.. Decide for yourself, and let us know what you think Smile

By the way, as I said before, acetone and ethanol dont allow for nice crystal formations, so if you care about your crystals looking good, they wont. It forms a very thin layer of crystals that can be waxier. Once you are evapping, at the end there might be some persistent drops that take longer to evaporate and dont smell of acetone/ethanol anymore, thats water that has been sucked from the air, just let it dry for longer and it will go away.
 
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#20 Posted : 8/17/2011 8:18:17 AM
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well i did exactly that (let crystasl dry on mirrior) and now my crystals dont melt at all and when i smoke them i`ve never had bad taste of chemicals at all. but i am going to get some acetone and do a clean on acouple hits just to see the difference and see if its worth it or not im sure it will be this is all stillnew to me so trail and error first before perfection! thanks for all of your advice everybody!!
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