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What psychedelics have you used so far?

The one thing about trying to find answers with these substances, is you always just end up asking more questions.

The possibilities are truly endless.

Hi Zzzarathustra,

welcome to the nexus.
Sometimes I wonder about the fear of death and if it's not rather a fear of living. Death means nothing; it's just an end of one vibrational complex. But life is everything, to me at least. And often (probably almost always) we are inhibited from fully engaging in it and recognizing our full potential, due to lack of being-confidence (not ego-confidence, we seem to have plenty of that most of the time) and repressed emotions (which are repressed why? feeling of inadequacy perhaps, social conditionings, avoiding unpleasantness, etc.). Maybe we cling to this idea of the self and attribute to it such an over-importance that the real thing - the flow of life - can't really come through any more. Fearing to let go of the ego, the little self and all these unnecessary contractions, fearing to live fully. And finally also fearing the ultimate destruction of this construct, biological death. But that fear IMO is just a symptom of what I just explained.

anyway, it's nice to hear that psychedelics have aided you in your self-reflection and your search for peace and transcendence. I'm sure you will find plenty of great food for thought on these boards, and lots of support for your endeavor to overcome fear and find understanding. I love how we cross-fertilize each others minds here.

cheers & love
Enoon

Welcome to the Nexus !

I wonder if we can ever be completely unafraid of death. Considering we are a biological organism, maybe the most basic and deepest instinct we have is self-preservation, so I think its only natural at least to some extent we will "fear" it. But I totally know what you mean that often that gets out of control, exagerated, and as Enoon very well said, it actually translates into being affraid of living, not appreciating and living fullest in each moment.

Its interesting that certain cultures use the idea of death as an ally, as something to help is live better each moment. The sufis for example, at times can have some practices related to visualization of death, trying to think of the beloved ones that died, at the impermanence of life, so that it gives us perspective, shocks us into appreciating each moment more.

When you say you are not looking for answers, I know what you mean and I think a lot of people here will agree that these substances (and life) will bring more questions than answers ("The bigger the island of knowledge, the larger the coast of wonder" . But its also natural that we look for answers too, its part of being human, to try to fit things into structures, notice the patterns, try to make sense of whats going on. As long as it done with a humble attitude, knowing that the answers we find might not be right or might be inadequate at some other point or situation, and that reaching answers (or 'indications' at least) doesnt make us stop looking and questioning.

So you say you are looking forward to dmt, are you planning the extraction yet? Do you have it clear in your head already, decided which method to use? Also what about oral dmt/ayahuasca/analogues, any interest in that?

See you around!

You're right, death means nothing, but life is so beautiful, I don't want it to end !

thanks for a welcome and intelligent/kind words. It's a number one reason why I like this place and wanna be a part of. Great atmosphere, great people...

I am surprised to see others here that view death as nothing, not to say it is AT ALL wrong, who the heck knows, right? But one thing a breakthrough (usually but not always) teaches you is that you are an eternal being, that dying lets you become a part of the omniverse while at the sametime BEING the omniverse. I have had a true breakthrough one time and I now firmly believe that death is exactly what I experienced (minus the coming back). It may sound naive and self-centered to think this molecule has given me the chance to know the mystery of death/afterlife, but during the experience, because of DMT not letting go of the ego, I knew I was dead. At first the idea of being dead was horribly frightening, but ~5 seconds after that thought I accepted my apparent fate and became the MOST at ease, understanding, euphoric I have ever been. Touching back down was quite rocky...accepting death and having it be the most beautiful thing you've ever experienced being ripped away and putting you back into the incredibly ignorant life that humans live is not something that is easy. I believe this is why newborns are born with no soul, but build it with age. This is because not being alive is the same as being in/the omniverse that I experienced. A newborn having the spiritual recognition enough to know that they have been transformed into this humanoid being would be far too much for the physical traits that newborns have. This also goes along with my belief that Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS) are babies that have recognized their place in the omniverse and simply accept death/give up this life because they can recognize the suffering that living is.

People are afraid of death because they are afraid of suffering, but they have it backwards. living is the struggle, death is quite simple. People see death as a struggle because of physical and emotional pain that they might experience...but that is part of living...death lacks even the understanding of struggle and pain.

I am surprised to see others here that view death as nothing, not to say it is AT ALL wrong, who the heck knows, right? But one thing a breakthrough (usually but not always) teaches you is that you are an eternal being, that dying lets you become a part of the omniverse while at the sametime BEING the omniverse.

I believe this is why newborns are born with no soul, but build it with age. This is because not being alive is the same as being in/the omniverse that I experienced. A newborn having the spiritual recognition enough to know that they have been transformed into this humanoid being would be far too much for the physical traits that newborns have. This also goes along with my belief that Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS) are babies that have recognized their place in the omniverse and simply accept death/give up this life because they can recognize the suffering that living is.

I've had a couple of break-throughs and I can see how one might think of the state that one enters as being a death experience or a near death experience, but generally I don't like that take on it. I also dislike the idea that only when we die can we be in the omniverse. I think we can reach states right here right now in which we can realize how fully we really are already and absolutely inseparable from the omniverse. Our consciosness may be an expression of the sum-total-of-all in a synergetic way. Personal death in that sense is meaningless to it; only life and its progression matters.


I find this belief very life negating. basically you are saying life sucks and any sensible creature that recognizes this off's themselves. I don't mind strange beliefs, but I wonder if this one is very beneficial for you as a being?

IMO life isn't suffering. We suffer IMO because we have an erroneous picture of the world that is composed of static elements and substances instead of processes and interrelations. In my view consciousness depends on life and therefore life is of the utmost importance. Additionally if done properly life can be amazing, including all the struggling and pain and confusion that we might (most likely) experience during it.

First of all, when you talk about the effects of a substance such as dmt, I recommend you dont say "dmt shows you (whatever)". Rather say "dmt shows me whatever". I for example dont agree with you, so I dont feel its right that anybody speaks for others what their psychedelic experiences are like. I know you didnt mean to impose your vision but this is a suggestion to be as aware as possible of how you use language and words to communicate your ideas .

self-preservation saves us from doing stupid things and endangering ourselves. It has its useful purpose. I wonder if I can separate this fear from the one that I'm trying to let go.

great topic and welcome to the nexus Zzz. we arent to far different in our thoughts as ive been very interested in and in a way looking forward to death since i was very young. its a complicated topic and often people hear these thoughts we have and take it the wrong way. i love life, i love my life but i also will love my death and transformation.

i would ask you what it is you think you would gain by not fearing your own death? in what way do you feel not fearing death would enrich your life?

I am surprised to see others here that view death as nothing, not to say it is AT ALL wrong, who the heck knows, right? But one thing a breakthrough (usually but not always) teaches you is that you are an eternal being, that dying lets you become a part of the omniverse while at the sametime BEING the omniverse. I have had a true breakthrough one time and I now firmly believe that death is exactly what I experienced (minus the coming back). It may sound naive and self-centered to think this molecule has given me the chance to know the mystery of death/afterlife, but during the experience, because of DMT not letting go of the ego, I knew I was dead. At first the idea of being dead was horribly frightening, but ~5 seconds after that thought I accepted my apparent fate and became the MOST at ease, understanding, euphoric I have ever been. Touching back down was quite rocky...accepting death and having it be the most beautiful thing you've ever experienced being ripped away and putting you back into the incredibly ignorant life that humans live is not something that is easy. I believe this is why newborns are born with no soul, but build it with age. This is because not being alive is the same as being in/the omniverse that I experienced. A newborn having the spiritual recognition enough to know that they have been transformed into this humanoid being would be far too much for the physical traits that newborns have. This also goes along with my belief that Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS) are babies that have recognized their place in the omniverse and simply accept death/give up this life because they can recognize the suffering that living is.

People are afraid of death because they are afraid of suffering, but they have it backwards. living is the struggle, death is quite simple. People see death as a struggle because of physical and emotional pain that they might experience...but that is part of living...death lacks even the understanding of struggle and pain.

i would ask you what it is you think you would gain by not fearing your own death? in what way do you feel not fearing death would enrich your life?

I think a very important question regarding this topic is "Why are so many people afraid of death in the first place?" Maybe it could be the puritanical base we have in western civilizations, we will be judged for our rights and our wrongs which makes it seem like any "wrongdoing" (by whatever guidlines) will set you up for punishment (Heaven and Hell)

Do you not believe that inner peace can possibly enrich someone's life ?

- is it possible that DMT experience is just that - an experience and whatever you get from it, is not an ultimate truth ?
- I don't know about other people, but I'm not afraid of suffering, it's not about pain for me and life is not a struggle. Life is beautiful. It is as simple as not wanting to stop existing, that's it.