My friend is waiting for his fumaric acid to arrive, he plans on salting out with acetone. He expects this to work better than the previous methods. He wonders if it will still be orally active in this state, if it will bring along whatever makes it orally active or if it will just salt out the dmt. He thinks people who are not getting good results must be using normal bark that is not nearly as potent as the root bark. He also thinks they may not be using enough bark to see good results, he uses over a pound of RB in his extractions which produces several grams of crystals.

Just reread your op. I notice your friend is using fresh root bark.dont know what the rules are here,but I would love to know where I can find it ;-)
Dont think its worth bothering with the stem bark from the sounds of it,sources I have read cite .4 % alkaloid content in a 50/50 mix dmt and nmt.compared 2 1.4 % in the root bark. I also remember a passage in tihkal where shulgin tested his local acacia and found no alkaloids,but somebody else found different alkaloids at different times of year. Maybe something like this is happening here? Just a thought

Yeild from 250g stem bark, A/B extraction, Naphtha as NP:


Freeze precipitation and subsequent recrystallization produced almost nothing, note: hot heptane did not pick up much of the small amount of xtals, a greyish film was left in the mason jars, weird stuff acacia.

Evaporation of solvent produced (after freeze precip) 700mgs of clear goo (had to make changa to get it's weight).

My friend did a second pull from the freebase soup with 950ml naptha which made a golden yellow extract, after washing and decanting he had about 850ml solution in which he added 200mg of evaped yellow crystals in a hot water bath, the jar was placed in the freezer for 72hrs. The naptha was decanted off and the jar was flipped upside down and placed back in the freezer for ~2.5hrs the jar was removed and the crystals scrapped and dumped out onto a large glass baking dish. A few of the crystals that had more naptha in them started to melt but the majority were able to keep their shape while the remaining naptha evaped, even the ones that had started to melt into the yellow goo were able evap away the naptha and re-x. The xtals were allowed to dry for 2hrs then they were collected and wheighed at 1.8g If you minus out the additional 0.2g that was added to the solution that gives 1.6g of dmt from a 850ml pull. The xtals were stable at room temp and had a pale yellow hue.

I recently heard of this plant and I have yet to bioassy but I did a little research, and I see acolon, you used stems or root bark? I was thinking, maybe you were having low yeilds because of the low alkaloid content of stems...wikipedia page says stems alkaloid content of stems are N-methyltryptamine, 0.04% and N,N-dimethyltryptamine, 0.01% while the root bark says Root bark N-methyltryptamine, 1.43% N,N-dimethyltryptamine, 1.15%

http://en.wikipedia.org/...a_confusa#Phytochemicals

also there may be other unknown alkaloids present that are not extracted by naptha like jungle spice in mimosa, comes out with xylene but not naphta...definitely going to look more into this

i think from acolons results he used the same bark as me which was lower stem bark. for us folks in the uk thats all we can get as theres only 1 or maybe now more suppliers selling it, but they sell lower stem bark which is harvested from the lowest parts nearest the roots for maximum potency.(according to them) its also apparently the same or better than mhrb, this may be true for brews but certainly not for extractions. this is probably why some people get good crystals and then others like me/acolon are getting orange gunk which obviously contains very little dmt, i dunno if its active though as im still debating wot to do with it. it smells a lot like burnt dmt. so imo could be n-oxide. but i havnt the foggiest wot n-oxide should look like but from wot ive read it sounds like wot ive got.
i couldnt find any actual root bark unless its was from thailand or the usa and it was very expensive compared to mhrb then the shipping on top, i duno weather to tell the suppliers i got it from that its crap for extractions, suppose they could do with knowing they might get root bark in then.

well the stuffs certainly active, but seems different to dmt, my misses tried a small amount just to see if it had any effect, it was a slow to take effect and she found she got a lot of cev's from just a small amount and slight oev's, with dmt she usually onyl gets oev 's and not so much cevs with smaller doses, this was the other way around.

Perhaps someone could send a sample of the acacia product to be analyzed.
Any volunteers?

I have access to a few kilos from a uk supplier (this will be from their new delivery due in next week at some point). i am more than willing to give to the cause.

I also have access to some of the same uk suppliers old stock, but this is very limited - and probably not worth doing, go for the new.

i have access because a friend of a friend is getting quite a bit in and is determined to get a working tek. his skills are good. I have faith. will keep you posted.

This is lower stem bark, not root bark.

cheers,

thp.