Ok, i will update this as the extraction is happening.
So far...I have blended 50g of Acacia Confusa in a blender into small flakes (would take an eternity to blend into powder)
I have boiled tap water to make the water a bit more pure, then left it to cool in the freezer.
I measured 800ml of the cooled water and added into a glass jar.
I slowly added 4 table spoons of caustic soda (lye) to the water, my friends got my scales and i was unable to obtain them, my rough guess is that i added about 60g of lye to the water, i then stirred repeatedly and left for 5 minutes to dissolve.
I put the lye/water jar into a cold bath for 15 minutes to let the solution cool down a bit.
I then added the 50g of Acacia Confusa bark to the lye/water solution and stirred for 5 minutes. At this point the kettle is boiling to prepare a hot water bath for the jar. I am unable to shake the lye/water/bark solution hard in the jar because the lid can leak, so i am just stirring every 20 mins. The jar has been in the hot water bath for roughly 1 hour and 40 minutes now. The solution is an extremley dark purple (almost black) and is not thick or sludgy, its fairly thin, i took a teaspoon of the solution out and poured into a clear glass to test the color and it is a very nice purple almost pinkish color metallic looking.
At this point im going to make a hot water bath and add a glass of Ronsonol lighter fluid (Naptha) to the hot water bath for about 15 minutes to warm it up slighlty, i will be using 60ml of Naptha and add that to the lye/water/bark solution after its warmed up slightly.

my plan:

I will pour the lye/water/bark mix into a long thinner glass jar so seperation of the naptha will be easier.
I will pour 60 ml of naptha into the mix and allow 40 mins to seperate, i will collect this in an oven dish with a large surface area.
I will then pour another 60ml of fresh naptha into the mix for the second pull and wait 40 mins for it to separate. This is all my naptha used up now so i will do a bicarbonate soda wash(question below) to the 120ml of naptha.
I will then freeze the naptha for about 24 hours. and i will keep the lye/water/bark mix in a nice cool place to do 2 more pulls tomorrow with reused naptha.

A few questions:

I have bicarbonate soda, how much water and how much bicarbonate soda should i add to the 120ml of naptha?
And is it important to completley get the naptha from the water very quickly? how long would it take to separate.


Thanks.

Will update as i go along.

Seems mostly good plan. But:

1- Did you do an evap test to see if that solvent evaps clean?
2- Dont justmix the naphtha and leave it to separate for long, better make a few cycles of mixing and letting stand before separating each pull
3- Dont do a sodium bicarb wash, do a sodium carbonate wash instead. You can make sodium carbonate by baking bicarb in the oven for an hour or two (it should lose around a third of the weight). Just add a pinch of sodium carb to 50ml water or something to do the wash.

Good luck! Do update us how its going, and dont throw anything away before you have the final yield!

Yes i done a small evap test, and more than that, i poured water in it and drunk it and it tasted clean (not advised)

I have been mixing the naptha constantly, every 10 minutes while its in the mix, it seem to separate extremely fast compared to what i have read it should. Im not sure if this is becaus ethe water is very thin.
Ok just put the bicarb in the oven.

I have run into a tiny problem, but this is my first try and ill learn from it, the jar i am using is quite wide, and the naptha that settles is very thin which might make it a bit of a problem to pull, im thinking about transferring it into a long thinner glass, i think this is the reason the naptha seems to settle very quick also.

Other than that i think its going ok.

Why would you wash your naphtha and drink it ?!?!?!?!?!?

If your naphtha had some more polar impurities (like rust inhibitors), you would have drunk it to

Yeah fast separation is good, means pH is high enough and that its not too thick. Transfering into a long thin container is for sure recommended for easier separation.

Good luck (and dont do that drinking test ever again please )

I kinda made another little mess up, when filtering with a funnel into the longer skinny container, it overflowed to my surprise and i lost about 40 ml of mix, i had to also save about 40ml in the old container and i can see a thin layer of solvent separated in the old container which has kinda pissed me off.

Because the solution is near at the top of the new container, after my first pull i will mayb put another 30ml of mix from the new container back in the old container. Add the new fresh naptha to the new container, and once i have done that second pull i think i might let some of the mix evaporate overnight form the new container so i can fit the solution from the old container, back into the new container ...container

Side note, but will save you a bit of time and energy – sodium carbonate can be created on the stove top much faster than in the oven, the operation takes about 15 minutes.

Just pop the sodium bicarbonate in a saucepan on full heat (I wait until it seems to be done then give it an extra 5 or 10 mins to be sure), give it a swirl every so often. The powder will become fluffier as the conversion happens.

To check conversion weigh the product, it will have lost 25–35% in weight, or create a saturated solution and test the pH.

Cheers, ill bare that in mind next time.

I have just done the first pull and pulled only 25ml of naptha from the 50ml that was put in, theres still a tiny bit left in the new container and about 15-20ml left in the old container.

Great, a confusa report.
No problem with pulling again/overlapping pulls - as long as your pH is 13+. One container is easier of course.
Freeze precip and throw up a few pictures?
Thanks,
L

Done two pulls, combined them together (about 80ml in total), done a carb wash which did not seem to pull any fats or oils out.
Naptha was piss yellow when combined together, the first pull was a little bit more cloudy than the second pull, i think it was a bit more concentrated, only pulled about 30ml from the first pull, lost a little bit of the mix due to a spill. Theres still about another 15ml of naptha in the jar with the mix.

Naptha in the freezer now in a large surface area dish, going to leave it in there for 24 hours.

Im not sure whether to scrape the crystals after 24 hours or leave them in there after i drain the naptha. Then do another two pulls with the recycled naptha and put the recycled naptha back in the jar with the crystals.

Just hoping for a good result, if i get over 200mg in total i will be a happy man and possibly stick with the Acacia bark.
Ill add some pictures of tomorrow.

Cool! Looking forward to Acacia spice comparisons.
The carbonate wash cleans up possible micro-droplets of basic solution in the naphtha but doesn't pull out fats/oils, as far as SWIM knows.
One can carefully decant the solvent from the freezer dish, leaving behind crystals/"slush", then dry completely or re-x with heptane.
Adding more pulls to the dish might be interesting... crystals upon crystals!
Let us know -
L

When i took the naptha out to recycle, there was a big crystal that seem to dissapeared, i hope they don't melt when the freeze has finished, i don't think my freezer is the coldest of freezers either.

Is it a problem if you accidentally dropped a few tiny particles of the lye mix into the solvent?

if you dropped lye mix, take solvent out of the freezer, let it warm up again and do a sodium carbonate wash, then freeze again.

Check the FAQ regarding how to retrieve crystals from freezer without them melting

Good luck!

It sounds like the dish was left open to the air in the freezer?? this doesn't sound right... I would be concerned about getting moisture into the naptha and evaporation.

The dish is about 9 inch long and 4.5 inch wide, its one of them glass food storage dishes, i have a lid on it which has a rubber seal, i wouldnt say its completely air tight, but its made to store food.
Ive added my finals pulls to the dish, when i pour the naptha out, ill do it all quickly and put the dish back in the freezer upside down for 30 mins or so and ill report the results.

Im not familiar with the weight of spice but judging by the amount of crystals there are at the moment i would say theres about 250mg. I have not got a .001 scale, just a .1 scale, so precise weighing will be hard.

Thanks for all the help.

That's a situation you should change asap. You can buy yourself a cheap mg scale on ebay, having one is a necessity in my opinion.
You really do not want to accidently give yourself (or anybody else) too high a dose, especially if you have never taken psychedelics before.

I have a question, why would anyone drink a NP solvent wash? Is there some trick to it? Some hidden knowledge? Is it some union trick or something? Sorry, just struck me as strange.

Yer definitely will do, but my experience with scales coming from hong kong, takes forever.


lol, it wasnt a wash, i put a tiny bit of lighter fluid in a glass and it evaporated fairly quick, no smell, so i drunk out of the glass, had no purpose, i was thirsty.

Thanks for keeping us updated, toppy. Too bad about the spillage, but it seems like you are getting some decent results so far

I would order those scales even if they take a while to get to you from Hong-Kong. I live in the UK too and mine arrived in about 2 weeks.
Here's the link to the ebay seller i got mine from. It comes to £12.38... A bargain really

Cheers, ill think ill order them.

Ill post some pictures when ive finished the freeze to see if people can give a rough estimate of weight.

Regarding NMT, when i took my dish out the freezer for 10 mins to pull recycle the naptha with a syringe, a couple of big crystals melted and some smaller ones, but some of the tiniest crystals didnt melt, after doing some research this is a good indication that it is mainly DMT because the melting points of DMT and NMT are different according to wiki:

According to wiki DMT freebase m.p. 40–59 °C
NMT freebase m.p. 87–89 °C
NET freebase m.p. 87–88 °C

I think the way to seperate the DMT from the NMT would be to let the DMT melt in the solvent when out the freezer.

Melting and dissolving are two different things.