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Du57mi73
#161 Posted : 9/28/2013 12:33:07 AM

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I had a unique situation happen that yeilded extremely long clear plates. Like the "shark" ones but grew a lot longer and clearer. What happened was...

I had roughly 8g in 1200ml of nap. The nap was fresh out of the base soup so it was still heavily saturated in plant oils too. I poured the nap into a pan to evap half of it for a freeze precip later. Well I evapped it down to about 400ml and started to see tiny crystals forming in the pan. I poured the 400ml into a jar and put it away for freeze precip at a later date. A few days later I go to put the naptha jar into the freezer but when I got out the jar it had reallllly long and thin(somewhere inbetween the "square" spice crystals and the shard crystals) clear plated dmt crystals in it. They had NO yelowing to them at all despite it sitting in the dark yellow nap. I tried to take a pic but my camera is not up to par, not to mention they are clear. Also at the bottom of the jar was some yellow goo but was seperate from the crystals.

I think they are so long because the pressure of gravity was less cuz they were suspended in the nap while forming. They're alittle longer that my fingernail.
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#162 Posted : 9/28/2013 8:08:10 AM

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DU57_I'd love to see pics if you get a better camera. The yellowing usually doesn't go in till it evaps down more with that much solvent. Sadly those beautiful crystals are going to fall apart when you remove them. Naptha make ultra soft formations. Use hetane for hard crystals yo can actaull handle and keep intact.
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#163 Posted : 9/29/2013 1:26:06 AM

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Yea. Not to mention they were at the bottom of the jar so the only way for me to remove them was with a spoon. Lol. They pretty much disassembled when I did that. Lol. I got ONE that came out intact and of decent size. Otherwise they just fell apart into the different plates. I've been trying to get a decent pic. Best I can do is show you what they look like disassembled and on top of my bowl. Lol. Ill keep trying for a pic of the large cryst.
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#164 Posted : 11/4/2013 3:06:41 PM

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I've done some extractions recently and always only have the more square crystals when using the Lime tek which gets the cleanest dmt out. The white 'freeze-precip' flakes are so super clean and shinys, def. much cleaner than any A/B result.
So meanwhile I am pretty sure that the cleaner the extract the more likely square/diamond crystals are formed.
I really would love to ask Nick Sand, but its not easy to get in touch with him.
But he would know thats for sure.

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#165 Posted : 11/4/2013 3:23:16 PM

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I would LOVE some xtals like in your pic Captain. I want to make a wedding ring out of one. Lol.

Because of the new salt tek I use I now have an extreme abundance of spice, I think I might re-x many many many times to get super pure goods and see what comes of it.
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#166 Posted : 11/17/2013 12:33:10 PM

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So funny, when I just wrote that rocky crystals form from superclean DMT, which I usually only got from limetek extraction...I got those here from an AB (was too lazy to clean a 3rd time, so thats why all the oxides covering them):


This is what grew 2 days later from clear and white crystal flakes from a lime extraction (1 cleaning only):


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#167 Posted : 11/17/2013 2:47:15 PM

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Some absolutely awe inspiring crystal porn in this thread. I just wish we could find the variable which affects the crystal shape! Has anyone tried heavy naphtha yet ? I found it very easy to grow very large flat squares with it low-odour white spirit (which seems to have been replaced with a cheaper solvent by the brand Bartoline).
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#168 Posted : 11/17/2013 3:02:38 PM

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If you note the crystals formed here I think the formation of diamonds has less to do with purity than it does with something else. I think it might be due to naptha composition. What method of drying do you use to form those diamonds?
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#169 Posted : 11/17/2013 7:11:34 PM

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They do not form while drying, they do form within the solvent, while it evapes and the molecules fall out.
The Naphta I use (german:Wundbenzin=Petroleum ether) is always the same, medicinal grade.
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#170 Posted : 11/17/2013 7:13:59 PM

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#171 Posted : 11/17/2013 7:28:49 PM

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So they fall out in diamond clumps like that?
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#172 Posted : 11/18/2013 8:33:06 AM

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Yes, they did this time. Last time a few months ago, too.
I never had such big diamonds as in my avatar (when I had them the first time) though.
But no more sharky stuff anymore here.
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#173 Posted : 11/19/2013 12:11:02 PM

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Great thread guys.

Im am about to embark on another extraction and this thread got me wondering.
Has anyone tried pressure as a variable when growing crystals?

Sorry if this has been mentioned already, but i was thinking that by reducing the pressure the crystals form in, it may make them bigger? Or would it be that increasing the pressure would give better results as you would be compressing the molecules closer together?

Was thinking of testing this with kilner jars.
I know if you put something hot in them, once its cooled, the pressure inside will be reduced,
but does anyone have any ideas about how one could increase the pressure inside the jar?


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#174 Posted : 11/19/2013 4:16:40 PM

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Please try side by side growths of low, normal, and high pressure and post your results.
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#175 Posted : 11/19/2013 6:07:51 PM

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#176 Posted : 11/20/2013 7:47:30 PM

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While looking at q21q21s tek, I noticed the picture at the top of his tek. Diamonds. I'm starting to think that for some reason the lime has something to do with it, but I don't know how considering its not transferred over to the solvent. Just thought id point that out.
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#177 Posted : 11/20/2013 8:37:37 PM

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Du57mi73 wrote:
While looking at q21q21s tek, I noticed the picture at the top of his tek. Diamonds. I'm starting to think that for some reason the lime has something to do with it, but I don't know how considering its not transferred over to the solvent. Just thought id point that out.

it just as easily be the fact that its a dry tek instead of a wet tek.

i find it dubious that choice of base would affect crystal formation (not that i have even a cursory grasp of crystal morphology)
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#178 Posted : 11/21/2013 12:13:55 AM

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That's why I was curious about it. But captain was not using a dry tek. So hm.
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#179 Posted : 11/21/2013 9:30:36 AM

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I too have the feeling it might have sth to do with the lime. When the naphta is extracted from the bark/acid/lime goo, it seems much clearer then when doing an stb tek.

So if supertiny little pieces of something get caught in the crytals (stb tek), the crystals would probably form differently then when they are completely clean (lime tek).

And even after re-x ing stb crystals for 3-4 times, somehow there´s a little goo in it every time, it never gets completely totally 100% clean in my experience.

But that´s just a thought ofcourse, i haven´t studied this in detail and i haven´t yet yielded enough spice from using the q21q21 tek to try to re-x it (and see if any goo turns up).
 
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#180 Posted : 11/21/2013 2:27:10 PM

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There's always going to be a very very small fraction of oils from a stb tek even after multiple re-x.
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