Hello all,

Right now I am working with some bark that just seems to be only good for making dye and not extracting precious compounds.

I was contemplating placing an order from pedro @ adenium and was wondering if this is a good time of the year to order. From my readings, I believe the best time to harvest the roots is during the dry season, and right now in Brazil it is the rainy season.

Has anyone ordered from him this time of year and noticed decreased yields as compared to ordering during the dry months in the southern hemisphere?

Thanks all! Happy traveling!

Might I ask where you get the information that mimosa is better harvesting in the dry season? Do you have any source for this ?

Secondly, while in most of Brazil this is the rainy season now, its not exactly so in some parts, for example in the Northeast. In the place where Pedro is from, the drought season does begin to end in december but the rainy season is quite later, more like autumn.. Official statistics say that the month of april is actually the rainiest. So even if this was true that mimosa is better to harvest in drier seasons, you still have time to order

I guess it's just some information i picked up during reading

http://www.neurosoup.com...ants_containing_dmt.htm

i guess from my readings they say increased stress (as in that caused by the dry season) increases the alkaloid content. but i'm sure there is still probably a bunch of untested theories regarding the production by plants.

Well yeah, neurosoup is not necessarily the most reliable website out there, and (unless I missed something) it just has a very general quote saying alkaloid content can vary depending on several factors. Its very hard to generalize that a certain type of stress will produce more alkaloid in all plants, it might be true for some, it might be the inverse for some, and it might not affect others. So unless we test a specific stress for a specific plant, we cant really generalize.

Notice im not saying that for sure mimosa alkaloid content doesnt vary with season, I just dont know! I think asking other users if they noticed a difference in yield is a valid question, and if others have something to add, im curious.

From reading about mimosa yields throughout the years, i've never noticed a specially low yield in any season, but I neither really looked into this thoroughly. If I would say my personal feeling (take it as it is, just an opinion), I would say no matter when you get your (good) mimosa, it will still be high-yielding, like 1+%, so that you dont really need to worry.

If there's more info about this, though, dont forget to share

For what it's worth, I just got an email from Pedro saying that my shipment of MHRB is going to go out with the next harvest. I will happily report my first yield from this batch, when I get it. Thought this is my first time ordering from him, so I don't really have a control to judge it against. My other extractions were from a batch from plantdyes and my yield was about 0.5%, so I'm hoping Pedro's can better that.

Here is what Heavenly Products says about it:



Not sure if its just the dyes that get washed out. Also I saw some show on PBS a while ago about the rain-forest. It said the rivers turn red during the rainy season due to dyes in the roots of some trees. I found that pretty interesting.

I wonder if they have any source for the claims? If anybody would like to email them regarding it, please post back any responses...

Also again they dont take in account that Brazil is a very large country and the rain/drought seasons are not the same everywhere. You guys can check for yourself here:

http://clima1.cptec.inpe.br/estacoes/#

The greener, the more precipitation. The tabs on top are seasons. Outono = Autumn, Inverno = Winter, Primavera = Spring and Verão = Summer (consider the seasons are the opposite of the northern hemisphere). The greener the colour, the more precipitation, and redder means more precip... Mimosa's natural area is the Northeast, in the top right-er most corner, those small states. Now compare summer with autumn, and you'll see that while in most places indeed summer has more rain, not in the northeast. In autumn the color in that part of the country is lighter/greener than in summer where its more red...

Another thing to consider is that we are interested in the inner bark where most alks are, and this is protected by a thick outer crust. If you ever tried boiling whole pieces of mimosa you would see that the water has very much difficulty penetrating the inner layers. Once after extended 3x boils of whole pieces I took some pieces out and stripped the layers and the inner layers where not even wet yet! I have a hard time believing that a significant amount of alkaloids are washing out with rain (also from my little biology knowledge I would imagine osmosis would actually make water go in the root, and not out+taking alkaloids with it.... Someone please correct me if im wrong )

In any case im still wondering if anybody has more info regarding evidence of alkaloid content and pluviometric statistics, whether my intuition is right or wrong..

SWIM just finished an extraction from 100g of the batch that Pedro harvested back in the beginning of january using Q21Q21's lime tek #2 and got a yield of 1.2% with four pulls. There's probably a little bit left in the mush, too. Very happy with both the MHRB and the tek - SWIM's highest yield yet. Based on this little bit of anecdotal evidence, I don't believe the timing of the order effects the yield substantially... Or should SWIM have been expecting 2%?

Anyway, sorry for resurrecting this thread, but it seemed like useful info for the OP.

Kephra adding to your resurection , 1.4 ,four pulls as well .

Same harvest as yours .

Keep pulling, do longer pulls after the fourth, make several cycles of mix-let stand before pulling, maybe warm it too.. You'll probably be able to get more out of the bark, keep pulling and freezing separately, dont stop while there is still stuff coming out

endlessness, thank you for the advice - SWIM was about to throw out the mush but the last pull had a hearty precipitation. It definitely seems like pulling again could be worthwhile. When you mention making several cycles of mix are you talking about adding more lime to the existing mix in order to turn more alkaloid salt into freebase?

No problem No if you based enough before, it should be enough.

I just mean mixing the solvent with the mimosa/lime mix, letting it separate, and mixing again, letting separate again, etc, until you are tired, and then finally pull it out (though I never made a dry tek as such but principle should be the same, the more time/contact there is between solvent and plant material, the more the alkaloids will migrate to the solvent layer)

Tell us how it went, if you got more out of the bark!

SWIM is very happy with Pedro. SWIM will make Pedro godfather of his unborn child. Maybe send some woman to Pedro too.

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