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#21 Posted : 10/18/2010 1:04:49 AM
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If he's going to do anything, taking some Bayer Aspirin or something like it would be a good idea. It acts as a blood thinner and thereby prevents clots which cause heart attacks and strokes.

Not a plug, just thought it was something worth mentioning if he's determined to have such an experience.
 

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#22 Posted : 10/18/2010 1:28:57 AM
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The Centre wrote:

It (cannabis) is a vasodilator, but it also hightens blood pressure


No intent to derail the thread here, but do you have a source for that? All the research I've ever read claims the exact opposite.. take this for example- http://www.sciencedaily....2006/06/060620083025.htm
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#23 Posted : 10/18/2010 1:50:08 AM

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is the asprine in reference to the dmt or mj?

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#24 Posted : 10/18/2010 10:50:21 AM
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skullhuman wrote:
The Centre wrote:

It (cannabis) is a vasodilator, but it also hightens blood pressure


No intent to derail the thread here, but do you have a source for that? All the research I've ever read claims the exact opposite.. take this for example- http://www.sciencedaily....006/06/060620083025.htm


I measured my own blood pressure before and after smoking, it was higher after smoking.
 
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#25 Posted : 10/18/2010 3:30:23 PM

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The Centre wrote:
skullhuman wrote:
The Centre wrote:

It (cannabis) is a vasodilator, but it also hightens blood pressure


No intent to derail the thread here, but do you have a source for that? All the research I've ever read claims the exact opposite.. take this for example- http://www.sciencedaily....006/06/060620083025.htm


I measured my own blood pressure before and after smoking, it was higher after smoking.

Cannabis lowers blood pressure...

Wikipedia wrote:
Aside from a subjective change in perception and, most notably, mood, the most common short-term physical and neurological effects include increased heart rate, lowered blood pressure, impairment of short-term episodic memory, working memory, psychomotor coordination, and concentration.


Source: Riedel G, Davies SN (2005). "Cannabinoid function in learning, memory and plasticity". Handb Exp Pharmacol (168 ): 445–477. PMID 16596784.
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#26 Posted : 10/19/2010 1:48:41 AM

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First off, I have to echo another poster's sentiments...you are so fortunate to have a father who would be open to such an experience, and lucky also to have the sort of relationship where you could even bring it up in conversation! My own father has certainly had psychedelic experiences but loooong in the past, and I don't think he'd be open to it now. (then again, maybe i'm wrong...)

As for the safety profile...I'm speaking up as someone who works in healthcare - I guess the thing that gives me pause is that he's got a pacemaker...I don't think there is nearly enough research (is there ANY??) on the physiological effects of psychedelic medicines on someone in compromised health...I believe Strassman's work excluded anyone with any known health issues, am I remembering that correctly? I don't know a lot about the work with Psilocybin and cancer patients, but in both of those cases the psychedelics were administered in controlled, emergency-equipped hospital-type situations.

People have been drinking aya in the jungle for a long time...but I'm pretty certain none of them have implanted cardiac devices Pleased

Then again, the decision is ultimately his, right? So if you present the good, the bad, the ugly and the awesome, I'm sure he will make the choice that's right for him.


 
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#27 Posted : 10/19/2010 3:09:35 AM

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cosmicladybug wrote:
I believe Strassman's work excluded anyone with any known health issues, am I remembering that correctly?

I thought so as well, but couldn't locate the correct passage.
I do remember a patient who withheld an issue with constricted blood vessels in the back of his head and had moderate brain discomfort during the experience.

Strassman felt somewhat lucky that nothing bad occurred.
This from the most extensive scientific study on DMT (I believe), so I trust his caution.
 
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