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benzyme
#1 Posted : 6/14/2008 3:12:01 PM

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another idea swim had was adding tryptamine sol'n to plants such as chacruna. there is a paper or two out there that describes how dmt containing plants increased yields when given a solution containing tryptamine hcl. even if the sol'n has unconverted tryptophan, it may still work.
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#2 Posted : 6/14/2008 3:39:49 PM

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what was the actual increase in the yield?
 
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#3 Posted : 6/14/2008 5:26:09 PM

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I'll have to look for the paper, it might've even been posted on this board. I believe it was something like 36% avg.
*edit* perhaps I'm thinking of the fungi, there is one discussing adding these things to the substrate.

check out the paper "N,N-Dimethyltryptamine production in Phalaris Aquatica seedlings". it's in the 'more papers' thread. excellent paper, they discuss using tryptophan as a substrate. these divine plants express both tryptophan decarboxylase and tryptamine n-methyltransferase.
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#4 Posted : 6/14/2008 5:59:10 PM

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cool will do. while it certainly makes sense that a plant could make more of a substance if more of its precursors are around, this kind of increase can in many cases be limited by other factors. however if it works in those cases then it works in those cases cool. its certainly worth looking more into.
 
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#5 Posted : 6/14/2008 6:02:07 PM

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indeed.
the trick is adding an optimal conc, as inhibition occurs with too high a concentration.
it does make sense that production of these n-methylated compounds would inhibit production of other functional plant compounds.
following the logic of gramine function, they might just be defensive compounds as well.
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#6 Posted : 6/14/2008 7:03:43 PM

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following the logic of gramine function, they might just be defensive compounds as well.


i would love to know the effect of these compounds on lets say insects or other herbiverous creatures the plant is interacting with. imagine DMT the next best pesticide haha that would be ironic.
 
 
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