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#1 Posted : 6/20/2010 11:44:10 PM

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This is very eco friendly -no need for any solvents :
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Freeze distillation
Freeze distillation is a term for a process of enriching a solution by partially freezing it and removing frozen material that is poorer in the dissolved material than is the liquid portion left behind. Such enrichment parallels enrichment by true distillation, where the evaporated and recondensed portion is richer than the liquid portion left behind.

Such enrichment by freezing of a solution in water is sometimes oversimplified by saying that, for instance, because of the difference in freezing points of water (0 °C/32 °F), and ethyl alcohol (-114 °C/-173 °F), "the water freezes into ice...while the ethyl alcohol remains liquid." This is false, and although some of the implications of that description are true and useful, other conclusions drawn from it would be false.

The detailed situation is the subject of thermodynamics, a subdivision of physics of importance to chemistry. Without resorting to mathematics, the following can be said:

* Freezing in this scenario begins at a temperature significantly below 0 °C.
* The first material to freeze is not the water, but a dilute solution of alcohol in water.
* The liquid left behind is richer in alcohol, and as a consequence, further freezing would take place at progressively lower temperatures. The frozen material, while always poorer in alcohol than the (increasingly rich) liquid, becomes progressively richer in alcohol.
* Further stages of removing frozen material and waiting for more freezing will come to nought once the liquid uniformly cools to the temperature of whatever is cooling it.
* If progressively colder temperatures are available,
o the frozen material will contain progressively larger concentrations of alcohol, and
o the fraction of the original alcohol removed with the solid material will increase.
* In practice, unless the removal of solid material carries away liquid, the degree of concentration will depend on the final temperature rather than on the number of cycles of removing solid material and chilling.
* Thermodynamics gives fair assurance, even without more information about alcohol and water than that they freely dissolve in each other, that
o even if temperatures somewhat below the freezing point of ethyl alcohol are achieved, there will still be alcohol and water mixed as a liquid, and
o at some still lower temperature, the remaining alcohol-and-water solution will freeze without an alcohol-poor solid being separable.

The best-known freeze-distilled beverages are applejack and ice beer. Ice wine is the result of a similar process, but in this case, the freezing happens before the fermentation, and thus it is sugar, not alcohol, that gets concentrated. For an in depth discussion of the physics and chemistry, see eutectic point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeze_distillation
http://en.wikipedia.org/...ctional_crystallization_(chemistry)


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Adding ethanol to water will therefore depress the freezing point by 1.86 C per molar conc present. Doing the translation between molar and regular % by volume gives ...
5% abv 1.6 mol% 3 C lower
10% abv 3.3 mol% 6 C lower
20% abv 7.2 mol% 13 C lower
30% abv 11.7 mol% 22 C lower
40% abv 17.1 mol% 32 C lower
50% abv 23.6 mol% 44 C lower

This explains why beer (at 5% abv) will freeze for ya in the freezer, wine will need it to be a bit colder, but frozen schnapps or vodka won't normally be possible.


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The first thing that comes to most people's minds when they think of distillation is a boiling kettle. Counter top water distillation units are widely used to purify drinking water. The distillation process is used to separate water from other dissolved chemicals. If the freezing point of the material you wish to separate from the water is lower than 32-degrees Fahrenheit, you can let your freezer do the distilling for you. Acetic acid (vinegar) has a significantly lower freezing point than water and is an ideal home project for freeze distillation.

http://www.ehow.com/how_...freeze-distillation.html

http://welcometovoluntar...llation-moonshine-cider/
http://homedistiller.org/notstill.htm

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The one the left is the normal cider and the one on the right has been freeze distilled.


It's a great technique for concentrating plant juices as it can skip a lot of filtering/defatting work , also good for heat intolerant chemicals.
I would love to see this being performed with something spicy !
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#2 Posted : 6/20/2010 11:51:57 PM

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This technique can also be used to remove water from DCM.

If you have wet DCM, and you freeze it. Ice crystals form and can be filtered out, if done fast. While it doesn't remove all the water, a lot is removed in just one freezing.
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#3 Posted : 6/21/2010 12:06:09 AM

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#4 Posted : 6/21/2010 7:21:14 AM

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Mmmmm... love the applejack.
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#5 Posted : 6/21/2010 5:17:55 PM

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Pictorial : http://www.alchemywebsit...illation_of_vinegar.html
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#6 Posted : 7/7/2010 12:54:36 PM

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69ron wrote:
This technique can also be used to remove water from DCM.

If you have wet DCM, and you freeze it. Ice crystals form and can be filtered out, if done fast. While it doesn't remove all the water, a lot is removed in just one freezing.


Could this process remove the water from Acetone ?
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#7 Posted : 7/7/2010 8:19:30 PM

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i know you can do this with 3 and 6% h2o2 to get ~30%. 99% sure ti doesnt work with acetone
 
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#8 Posted : 7/16/2010 5:21:07 AM
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This is mainly for when the concentration of your organic something or other is on the lower end, if you wana dry acetone or something like that you should use drying salts

Applejack is some good shit Very happy freeze distilled bum wine is another favorite.

the interesting thing is it concentrates all the flavors too, unlike distilling, which doesnt concentrate a lot of flavors.

but on the other hand it also concentrates toxins, methanol, etc. which is not the case with proper distillation

swims faviorite way to concentrate h2o2 was simmering on a coffee machine. letting the water evaporate. not boil(decomps around there)..... simmer. hence the coffee machine hotplate or tea warmer.

in a past time and place, this was determined by a different community to be the best approach for H2O2.
 
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#9 Posted : 8/24/2010 5:43:28 AM
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rOm wrote:
69ron wrote:
This technique can also be used to remove water from DCM.

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Could this process remove the water from Acetone ?


nope
 
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#10 Posted : 8/26/2010 4:27:24 AM

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my childhood 4th of july always involved a gallon of conc h2o2. ahh the days of yor.
 
 
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