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killuminati420
#1 Posted : 5/15/2010 8:29:14 AM

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Just wondering if anybody knows if this grass is phalaris arundinacea or not?
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#2 Posted : 5/15/2010 4:11:17 PM

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Alright, well im pretty sure that it is phalaris arundinacea,...The only thing im worried about doing an extraction on it, is the gramine content in it :nonono: Somebody has told me before that gramine isn't soluble in naphtha..Is this true?...If this isn't true, then how could i seperate the gramine from the dmt?
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#3 Posted : 5/15/2010 4:21:01 PM

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i dont think anyone really knows yet..apparently its not water soluble..so im going off that withmy extractions for now..not sure about acidic water though.
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#4 Posted : 5/15/2010 4:39:26 PM

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When making ayahuasca, i acidify the water with vinegar...The DMT is soluble in acidic water, but i imagine the gramine wouldn't be? Meaning a simple A/B extraction would work?
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#5 Posted : 5/15/2010 5:28:21 PM

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Im not sure of its solubility in acidic water..but i started an extraction last night in acidic water all the same.
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#6 Posted : 5/15/2010 5:42:01 PM

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I would like someone with more chemical knowledge to chime in here, but from what I understood gramine IS soluble in acidified water, so you couldnt clean it that way. The gramine subject comes up time and again and so far with no real conclusions or reliable tests done by someone of the community. In any case unless I missed something, the most promissing way of separating dmt from gramine seemed to be through heptane or naphtha recrystalization, because gramine has a lower xlogp than DMT.

I get conflicting informations about gramine's xlogp though, if I understand correctly chemspider seem to say logp is 1.9, which would be trickily close to DMT's 2.0, but other sources say its 1.3 or 1.8, so im not sure. Can any of the chem members answer this one?

Another possible way seems to be through the melting point. Gramine's boiling point is around 300 degrees celcius, so if one used lower temperatures closer to 150 degrees, one could possibly vaporize only dmt and not gramine.

If I were to bioassay a phalaris/arundo/phragmites extraction, I would only do it both after a naphtha/hexane/heptane recrystalization, and vaporizing with lower temperatures, just in case Smile
 
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#7 Posted : 5/15/2010 6:03:25 PM

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the solubility or hordenine is an issue as well.
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