I just started my Dark Spice extract last night. After ~10 hours in Xylene, I started to pull out the solution, which had mostly separated by this time. It was slightly yellow, and definitely not dark like people are describing. My setup is a STB. I added the solution back, added some more lye and mixed again for a bit. Am I doing something wrong?

Do ypu mean that you are doing a STB with xylene ? If yes, you'll obviously get everything in your extract, including a bunch of DMT. The dark matter appear when all the xylene is evaporated after many naphta pulls. The liquid itself is indeed yellow.

So far, I've done 4 or 5 naptha pulls with excellent results from a STB on MHRB. Now, having done the first xylene pull, I got a yellower liquid that I'm freeze precipitating atm. Should I see red crystals fall out or will that only be on evap? I'll forego the naptha wash, I think. Can anyone speak to the subjective difference of dark dmt and dark dmt + dmt?

Freeze precipitation will not work with xylene or toluene. Your toluene/xylene pull should look piss-yellow. Evaporate this stuff and you will get red/brown oil mixed with yellow/white crystals. Scrape it all up when it is reasonably dry and put it in a small glass container, like a test tube. HEAT some heptane (bestine) in a water bath until it is hot to the touch and add it with a dropper to the material from the toluene pull in the test tube. HEAT is essentil for this process. The red spice is not soluble in the heptane, so you want it to MELT so all the DMT can be released from the solid chunks, and the insoluble oil wil settle at the bottom. If this does not happen, place the test tube in the hot water bath until it does. You should see two VERY defined layers, a red oil on the bottom and of course the heptane/DMT layer. If the bottom layer is yellow, just siphon off the Heptane layer for evaporation and add more hot heptane to the test tube, always keeping it hot. Cap the tube and shake it up. You want the oil to be melted and you want to mix the layers as much as possible and allow them to separate again, always in a hot water bath. Repeat this washing process as many times as needed unti lthe bottom layer is dark red. Siphon off the heptane for evaporation and then pour off the red oil on a plate and let it dry. This the red jungle spice, and I cannot seem to purify it any more beyond this. It is the greatest stuff I have ever consumed, and if we can get all the DMT OUT of this product, it is a LEGAL PSYCHEDELIC from a NATURAL SOURCE. I personally LOVE the idea.... "sorry officer, this is a legal herbal product!" Oh BTW when you evap the heptane from this process you will get a shitload of DMT that would have been left behind in the basified solution.

[quote:70a77aa465="entheogenist"] ...if we can get all the DMT OUT of this product, it is a LEGAL PSYCHEDELIC from a NATURAL SOURCE...[/quote:70a77aa465] lol fantastic! pity you make that illegal DMT stuff in the process..

Has anyone tried red spice orally?

[quote:f222335ef2="Particle"]Okay, as my friend is trying to follow this, to visualize what is happening.... what does STB mean? Is "A/B" a tek? And is a "hot water bath" keeping the product in the tube and submerging the tube in water to melt it?[/quote:f222335ef2] AB stands for acid base. STB stands for straight to base. Marsfold is an AB extraction. Nomans tek is a STB extraction. read both, you'll see the difference. A hot water bath, is merely a safe way to heat these flammable solvents. Don't handle these chemicals around open flames.

Hi all, just joined the forum. Does anyone have access to the "Isolation and characterization of yuremamine, a new phytoindole." paper? I can't get any of the pubmed links to work (even with institutional access). Would like to know what sort of HPLC setup they used for purification. This is very, very interesting stuff. Column purifications of simple extracts might be very worthwhile.

[quote:725fc9ee82="entheogenist"]"sorry officer, this is a legal herbal product!"[/quote:725fc9ee82] while its origins lie in the plant matter itself, once extracted and or purified, it becomes DMT in the eyes of the law. and i mean, come on, we don't want law enforcement turned on to the idea of banning or regulating the sources of these botanicals

[quote:93eb417dd3="SyZyGyPSy"] openarmsforall: entheogenist was talking about the red "jungle spice," which is not DMT, most likely it is the degredation product of Yuremamine but no one really knows yet. Sure, DMT is illegal, but this red stuff is not DMT, thus it is presumably legal. Possibly prosecutable under the analogue act, but then again so is everything else from what I understand. [/quote:93eb417dd3] sure, fair enough; at the same time, assuming that only basic "kitchen chem" insight and knowledge is exercised, then one is likely employing only a crude a/b or stb extract....which if i'm not mistaken, i think the general consensus is that these methods of extraction and isolation are only reasonably pure at best. hence, i don't think i'd be going off on a limb to say that the final yuremamine precip. likely contains DMT. and from the reports i've been exposed to- having no experience with this particular spice myself- i think that one may extrapolate that due to the directly parallel/strikingly similar nature of this spice, that the aforementioned assumption is likely true: jungle spice probably contains DMT. when nd if sent to be processed for chemical analysis, you might be sorry that you taunted officer shartface in the first place.

some pics that swim found, showing progression of evaporation. xylene was used to pull whatever this is. looks kinda greasy/dirty at one end as you can see .those red splodges dont look very inviting either (and no, theyre not base solution). the greasy area didnt seem to want to dry out so swim just scraped up the crystalised areas and washed the dish, xylene takes forever and stinks btw. not washed with naptha yet, theres about 0.4g [img:1931cee59f]http://aycu28.webshots.com/image/36587/2006048424962236278_fs.jpg[/img:1931cee59f] [img:1931cee59f]http://aycu21.webshots.com/image/38460/2006083305480234312_fs.jpg[/img:1931cee59f] [img:1931cee59f]http://aycu37.webshots.com/image/35796/2006049692073881983_fs.jpg[/img:1931cee59f] [img:1931cee59f]http://aycu25.webshots.com/image/38304/2006017891951085503_fs.jpg[/img:1931cee59f] more on the way ... [img:1931cee59f]http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/35136/2006055115669067949_fs.jpg[/img:1931cee59f] swim is glad he kept that exhausted basic solution for no known reason at the time. he came across references to "red" dmt while looking for a recrystalisation tek, otherwise wouldnt have had a clue about it.

To summary, SWIY kept exausted soup, pulled xylene, evaporated it and get that nice crystals ? From how much initial MHRB weight ? Hmm sounds nice. Exactly what my friend plan to do with his exausted spare of soup.

swim thinks around 6 or 700g initial mhrb, but his pics show what was pulled from about 1/5th of remaining solution ... pics show yeild from 800ml pulled 3 times with 100ml xylene at a time. last night swim did the same to 3x 900/100ml but has yet to set it evaporating. there is still a spare 1.5-2l solution too, swim reckons. he says he's tired and running out of xylene though, and stinks of it. in case it turns out to be relavent, swim says he did a warm a/b extraction originally (heated slowly in a large pan for a long time, though he would probably just do a stb in future). he could only be bothered doing 2 pulls from the plant material so he guesses theres probably quite a lot left in it.

[quotea76e91ee4="Implants"] Anyways its considerably more tricky to get this stuff. It requires the use of Diethyl Ether and heptane as a binary solvent, mixed "roughly" 8 parts DE/ 1part heptane. This is the solvent swim used to acheive success with this experiment more than once. However he believes D/E will suffice alone. (He will explain more later about the uses and functions of all this binary solvent nonsense)> ![/quotea76e91ee4] could u explain why the binary solvents are used it seems there are swimmers who are pulling this stuff without binary solvents

actually i (swim was busy) was reading your post about the limonene the other day, SyZyGyPSy got interrupted half way through reading it and had to go out though great stuff, swim has always liked the idea of doing a completely "organic" extraction as for the remaining plant material, stb seems the way to go with it, when swim has the time and space. i was also reading about heptane distilled from pine sap somewhere too

butterfly dmt [img:c1e14fa72d]http://www.cviog.uga.edu/Projects/gainfo/wildlife/swallowtail.jpg[/img:c1e14fa72d] apparently these guys produce terpenes which they use as pheromones . . . perhaps if swim asked enough of them nicely, they'd drop some on top of his basic solution (but only if he made the lye out of wholemeal teepee firewood ash, i guess) (info from wiki article on terpenes) other terpenes in same class as limonene and pineol: nerol citral camphor menthol (from http://www.chemie.fu-berlin.de/.../terpene/terpene_en.html) dunno if this is useful or not, just reading about these terpene things in general. is there some specific property to look for? menthol sounds nice

oh thanks for the post, i got it a day later though. my net connection was messed up or something. hopefully swim can get his experiments going soon...

over 25,041 readings of this thread..!? Jeebus !..! Tales of The Dark Jungle Spice are incredibly popular ! so let me just confrm - does anybody do the red jungle spice orally..?! or how about the mixed red-white MHRB extract, is that something to try orally without another MAOI..?!

yea that jungle spice is something else. i'm kind of scared of it though. and it's only the type of thing i can smoke every few weeks due to the sheer intensity, so progress is slow.

swim has yet to try it he's thinking pharmahuasca first, as smoked n-n is still something very new to him what would you guys reccomend: smoke a big dose, or do a nicely measured oral one? merry christmas :*