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#41 Posted : 12/16/2011 3:57:22 PM

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To go back to something Citta was saying earlier in this discussion, I think the purely physical "buzzing of the 5 ht2a receptors" to produce modulations in the visual centers hypothesis doesn't quite describe the kinds of things people see when on DMT. If we were talking simply about fractal patterns or walls breathing, then I could conceive that this could be the case... but we are talking about seemingly autonomous hyper intelligent beings and entire dreamscapes that are so detailed and finely wrought that even our best computer graphics and Hollywood set designers seem like preschoolers next to it.


I agree. You would expect fractals and total disorientation..which usually does occur, but for me at least, these experiences move past this to full blown dream like landscapes that are extremely detailed and real looking.

I think that while they do obviously have their own 5HT binding profiles, I believe they set the brain up in a sort of resonant state that allows it visual access to the continuous mindstream. I refer to mindstream in the strictest Buddhist sense here.

In essence I believe the DMT experience IS you. But what we are is far FAR more complex than what our 5 senses suggest.

I mean we are literally the universe waking up to itself. That is about the most Cosmic thought I can muster up and it's 100% scientifically accurate! Amazing beyond all belief in my very humble opinion.

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Citta
#42 Posted : 12/16/2011 4:21:24 PM

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Well said, joedirt =)

endlessness;

No need for a long reply to your last post from me (unless I come up with something), as I mostly agree with you. Thanks for the post.


 
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#43 Posted : 12/16/2011 4:39:10 PM

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Citta, you also said 2 times here that if an entity told you something you didn't know and it turned out to be true, that would be proof enough for you.

Well... (insert relevant disclaimer here)... I have had this subjective experience literally dozens upon dozens of times. I don't expect you to believe me. And to anyone else reading this: DO NOT BELIEVE ANYTHING I SAY. Feel free to resonate with it if it feels right to you, of course...

Understand, I am not making a case to say that my experiences apply to anyone else... For all I know, none of you exist outside of my mind anyway. (wink wink)

(note: I'm not really a solipsist)



I dunno if it was on the Nexus or a different forum where I read someone's signature 'I'm a solipsist and I'm surprised there aren't more of us.' A profound and telling statement.


To add to HF's comment, I also have had my subjective experience realized in my waking life on a variety of occasions. I often call these insights in hyperspace 'carrot sticks', like nothing about the visions is true in-and-of-itself, but it's supposed to get me thinking about things in a different way. Case in point my whole 'Eureeka's Castle' story which totally altered my life for forever.


I've always had this hole in me that never seemed to be sedated and it felt like there was something wrong with me. I have memories of being perfectly happy and content at one point in my life, but could never figure out what it is that caused me to grow up and be such a naturally sad person. The first time I ever tripped, I saw a giant green lizard-man walk through my wall and whisper to me 'Magellan'.


What the hell does that mean right? It was totally nonsensical at the time, however it lead to an amazing discovery when I probed deeper. I discovered that the Magellan reference was to a character for the 1980's television program Eureeka's Castle, which I had adored at the time in my life when I had felt the happiest. This reminded me of something I had totally blocked out from my memory. After that revelation I understood every wrong step I had taken to arrive at my unhappy state, how I had abandoned my innocence in order to fit in. This, to this day, has been the most important thing ever to happen to me.
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Shamasi Wiz
#44 Posted : 12/16/2011 9:59:50 PM

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DoctorMantus wrote:
Terence Mckenna had spoken a little around the idea, that i know of at least, One thing i remember him saying was that nature loves courage, and if you have the courage to go for something, nature will respond.


I just hunted down a youtube video http://www.youtube.com/w...5&feature=plpp_video and posted Terence's words in the quotes thread yesterday, then I just came across this^^ same reference today. Coincidence? Smile
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#45 Posted : 12/16/2011 10:18:21 PM

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P.S. I was only on page 2 of this thread when I posted that last comment^^. Then I go to page three, where my comment is, and I see Tek talking about Magellan and how important it was to him, and I realize that Mckenna talks about Magellan in that very same quote. I swear I hadn't seen Tek's comment first. Another funny coincidence?
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#46 Posted : 12/17/2011 12:59:47 PM

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I decided i would search the definition, of this word synchronicity.

this is what i came up with.
some interesting ideas from Carl Jung

-Synchronicity is the experience of two or more events that are apparently causally unrelated or unlikely to occur together by chance and that are observed to occur together in a meaningful manner. The concept of synchronicity was first described in this terminology by Carl Gustav Jung,

Synchronistic events reveal an underlying pattern, a conceptual framework that encompasses, but is larger than, any of the systems that display the synchronicity. The suggestion of a larger framework is essential to satisfy the definition of synchronicity as originally developed by Carl Gustav Jung.[2]

Jung coined the word to describe what he called "temporally coincident occurrences of acausal events." Jung variously described synchronicity as an "acausal connecting principle", "meaningful coincidence" and "acausal parallelism". Jung introduced the concept as early as the 1920s but only gave a full statement of it in 1951 in an Eranos lecture[3] and in 1952, published a paper, Synchronizität als ein Prinzip akausaler Zusammenhänge (Synchronicity — An Acausal Connecting Principle)[4], in a volume with a related study by the physicist (and Nobel laureate) Wolfgang Pauli.[5]

It was a principle that Jung felt gave conclusive evidence for his concepts of archetypes and the collective unconscious,[6] in that it was descriptive of a governing dynamic that underlies the whole of human experience and history—social, emotional, psychological, and spiritual. Concurrent events that first appear to be coincidental but later turn out to be causally related are termed incoincident.

Jung believed that many experiences that are coincidences due to chance in terms of causality suggested the manifestation of parallel events or circumstances in terms of meaning, reflecting this governing dynamic.[7]

Even at Jung's presentation of his work on synchronicity in 1951 at an Eranos lecture his ideas on synchronicity were still evolving. Following discussions with both Albert Einstein and Wolfgang Pauli Jung believed that there were parallels between synchronicity and aspects of relativity theory and quantum mechanics. Jung was transfixed by the idea that life was not a series of random events but rather an expression of a deeper order, which he and Pauli referred to as Unus mundus. This deeper order led to the insights that a person was both embedded in an orderly framework and was the focus of that orderly framework and that the realisation of this was more than just an intellectual exercise but also having elements of a spiritual awakening. From the religious perspective synchronicity shares similar characteristics of an "intervention of grace". Jung also believed that synchronicity served a similar role in a person's life to dreams with the purpose of shifting a person's egocentric conscious thinking to greater wholeness.

A close associate of Jung, Marie-Louise von Franz, stated towards the end of her life that the concept of synchronicity must now be worked on by a new generation of researchers.[8] For example in the years since the publication of Jung’s work on synchronicity, some writers largely sympathetic to Jung's approach have taken issue with certain aspects of his theory, including the question of how frequently synchronicity occurs. For example, in The Waking Dream: Unlocking the Symbolic Language of Our Lives, Ray Grasse suggests that instead of being a "rare" phenomenon, as Jung suggested, synchronicity is more likely all-pervasive, and that the occasional dramatic coincidence is only the tip of a larger iceberg of meaning that underlies our lives. Grasse places the discussion of synchronicity in the context of what he calls the "symbolist" world view, a traditional way of perceiving the universe that regards all phenomena as interwoven by linked analogies or "correspondences." Though omnipresent, these correspondences tend to become obvious to us only in the case of the most startling coincidences. The study of astrology, he argues, offers a practical method of not only becoming more conscious of these subtle connections but of testing and even predicting their occurrence throughout our lives.

One of Jung's favorite quotes on synchronicity was from Through the Looking-Glass by Lewis Carroll, in which the White Queen says to Alice: "It's a poor sort of memory that only works backwards".

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Hyperspace Fool
#47 Posted : 12/17/2011 2:48:43 PM

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A poor sort of memory indeed.



But I guess most of us are stuck with these sieves that can barely hold onto a fraction of our dreams.

Sometimes what people think of as coincidence can be not only an example of synchronicity, but it could also be an example of serendipity... often being both.

These kinds of "happy accidents" are typified by this quote from one of our favorite discoverers.

“It is true that my discovery of LSD was a chance discovery, but it was the outcome of planned experiments and these experiments took place in the framework of systematic pharmaceutical, chemical research. It could better be described as serendipity.” -Albert Hofmann
"Curiouser and curiouser..." ~ Alice

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#48 Posted : 12/17/2011 4:47:25 PM

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DoctorMantus wrote:
I decided i would search the definition, of this word synchronicity.

this is what i came up with.
some interesting ideas from Carl Jung

-Synchronicity is the experience of two or more events that are apparently causally unrelated or unlikely to occur together by chance and that are observed to occur together in a meaningful manner. The concept of synchronicity was first described in this terminology by Carl Gustav Jung,

Synchronistic events reveal an underlying pattern, a conceptual framework that encompasses, but is larger than, any of the systems that display the synchronicity. The suggestion of a larger framework is essential to satisfy the definition of synchronicity as originally developed by Carl Gustav Jung.[2]

Jung coined the word to describe what he called "temporally coincident occurrences of acausal events." Jung variously described synchronicity as an "acausal connecting principle", "meaningful coincidence" and "acausal parallelism". Jung introduced the concept as early as the 1920s but only gave a full statement of it in 1951 in an Eranos lecture[3] and in 1952, published a paper, Synchronizität als ein Prinzip akausaler Zusammenhänge (Synchronicity — An Acausal Connecting Principle)[4], in a volume with a related study by the physicist (and Nobel laureate) Wolfgang Pauli.[5]

It was a principle that Jung felt gave conclusive evidence for his concepts of archetypes and the collective unconscious,[6] in that it was descriptive of a governing dynamic that underlies the whole of human experience and history—social, emotional, psychological, and spiritual. Concurrent events that first appear to be coincidental but later turn out to be causally related are termed incoincident.

Jung believed that many experiences that are coincidences due to chance in terms of causality suggested the manifestation of parallel events or circumstances in terms of meaning, reflecting this governing dynamic.[7]

Even at Jung's presentation of his work on synchronicity in 1951 at an Eranos lecture his ideas on synchronicity were still evolving. Following discussions with both Albert Einstein and Wolfgang Pauli Jung believed that there were parallels between synchronicity and aspects of relativity theory and quantum mechanics. Jung was transfixed by the idea that life was not a series of random events but rather an expression of a deeper order, which he and Pauli referred to as Unus mundus. This deeper order led to the insights that a person was both embedded in an orderly framework and was the focus of that orderly framework and that the realisation of this was more than just an intellectual exercise but also having elements of a spiritual awakening. From the religious perspective synchronicity shares similar characteristics of an "intervention of grace". Jung also believed that synchronicity served a similar role in a person's life to dreams with the purpose of shifting a person's egocentric conscious thinking to greater wholeness.

A close associate of Jung, Marie-Louise von Franz, stated towards the end of her life that the concept of synchronicity must now be worked on by a new generation of researchers.[8] For example in the years since the publication of Jung’s work on synchronicity, some writers largely sympathetic to Jung's approach have taken issue with certain aspects of his theory, including the question of how frequently synchronicity occurs. For example, in The Waking Dream: Unlocking the Symbolic Language of Our Lives, Ray Grasse suggests that instead of being a "rare" phenomenon, as Jung suggested, synchronicity is more likely all-pervasive, and that the occasional dramatic coincidence is only the tip of a larger iceberg of meaning that underlies our lives. Grasse places the discussion of synchronicity in the context of what he calls the "symbolist" world view, a traditional way of perceiving the universe that regards all phenomena as interwoven by linked analogies or "correspondences." Though omnipresent, these correspondences tend to become obvious to us only in the case of the most startling coincidences. The study of astrology, he argues, offers a practical method of not only becoming more conscious of these subtle connections but of testing and even predicting their occurrence throughout our lives.

One of Jung's favorite quotes on synchronicity was from Through the Looking-Glass by Lewis Carroll, in which the White Queen says to Alice: "It's a poor sort of memory that only works backwards".


DoctorMantus

Thank you ever so much for posting this excellent post its greatly appreciated...


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#49 Posted : 12/19/2011 3:24:15 PM

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Ends up there's a journal which did an issue dedicated to "Coincidence Studies" which includes lots on synchronicities.
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