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#21 Posted : 2/25/2013 4:51:35 PM
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Philosopher wrote:
What are your everyday stomach issues may I ask? People with IBS or gastrointestinal troubles, even people without this can get sickly from the mushroom. This happens to me. It's not that it is psychedelic because every mushroom does this to me. Do regular mushrooms make you feel sick? They are naturally tougher to digest


I have Irritable Bowel Syndrom (IBS), and I can not even eat thanks to it unless I have had my periodic smokes throughout the day. However, I have been eating mushrooms for a while since I had been diagnosed about a year and a half ago, but they never bothered me up until now. Normal edible mushrooms that you would find in cooking, like portabellas, do not bother me however. It appears to only be the magic ones that have been upsetting my condition. I know its probably going to continue to happen due to this condition however, and hope to find a new way to ingest that reduces this discomfort.
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#22 Posted : 2/25/2013 4:59:23 PM

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A friend of mine (I'm not even swimming) has put powdered mushrooms into capsules (gelatin, if I remember correctly, but it shouldn't matter). He reports a smoother ride with this method. Powdering them down and mixing them also has the added benefit of making each gram of powder equally potent, since the potency of mushrooms differs slightly. This is useful for accurate dosing.
 
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#23 Posted : 2/25/2013 5:22:44 PM
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epoe wrote:
A friend of mine (I'm not even swimming) has put powdered mushrooms into capsules (gelatin, if I remember correctly, but it shouldn't matter). He reports a smoother ride with this method. Powdering them down and mixing them also has the added benefit of making each gram of powder equally potent, since the potency of mushrooms differs slightly. This is useful for accurate dosing.


This would be good for accurate dosing, but it doesn't get rid of the problem of stomach discomfort. The discomfort most likely comes from the fact that your ingesting a bunch of dead, dried out fungal matter. Grinding them up and placing them into capsules is still introducing the fungal matter to the stomach, if not making more of it exposed to the stomach. I would imagine this would cause just as much sickness and discomfort as any other way, if not a little more.
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#24 Posted : 2/25/2013 5:28:46 PM

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What about an extract that takes the chitin out of the picture? Ethanol - methanol?
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#25 Posted : 2/25/2013 6:08:36 PM

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It really does help to grind it into a fine powder to relieve "some" stomach discomfort and nausea.
The stomach breaks down the fine powder easier than it will the larger pieces.
 
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#26 Posted : 2/25/2013 8:19:44 PM

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Fine powder, place in a tea bag and let soak and squeeze. Then there won't be any fibrous plant material. But it may be some chemical in the shroom that just isn't easily digestible. Not sure

Add some ginger and honey. Maybe also your favorite tea type
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#27 Posted : 2/25/2013 9:14:10 PM

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John Smith wrote:
Good point, I see.

I would also recommend trying essential lemon oil

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Essential lemon oil contains beta-pinene, which is a 5-ht3 antagonist.

5-ht3 is responsible for generating the nausea/vomit feelings/actions in your body. And serotonergenic psychedelics are agonists for this receptor. as well as other 5-ht receptors which cause the psychedelic effects.

From reports - reducing the antagonism on the 5-ht3 receptor does not quell the psychedelic effects.

Apparently - through all accounts, 5-10 drops of essential lemon oil (food grade, not fragrance grade) is enough to put a complete stop to the nausea from shrooms, yopo, dmt etc.


Thank you for this, John Smith, I've also experienced a heavy body load with Harmalas & DMT (I think it is the harmalas more than the DMT itself) and also with mushrooms, my husband especially has a hard time with the physical aftermath of mushrooms, so I will definitely try this, and see if it helps me or him the next time we partake.
 
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#28 Posted : 2/26/2013 12:07:10 AM

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Gone-and-Back wrote:
epoe wrote:
A friend of mine (I'm not even swimming) has put powdered mushrooms into capsules (gelatin, if I remember correctly, but it shouldn't matter). He reports a smoother ride with this method. Powdering them down and mixing them also has the added benefit of making each gram of powder equally potent, since the potency of mushrooms differs slightly. This is useful for accurate dosing.


This would be good for accurate dosing, but it doesn't get rid of the problem of stomach discomfort. The discomfort most likely comes from the fact that your ingesting a bunch of dead, dried out fungal matter. Grinding them up and placing them into capsules is still introducing the fungal matter to the stomach, if not making more of it exposed to the stomach. I would imagine this would cause just as much sickness and discomfort as any other way, if not a little more.


You're probably right. I thought it might reduce nausea caused by the taste, which appears to me to be the cause of nausea I've felt when taking shrooms, though I cannot of course accurately know the cause of such things with only my own gut feeling to go on. Neither can I know how it could affect other people.
 
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#29 Posted : 3/1/2013 7:47:29 PM
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The taste is not really what makes me feel sick. I dont start feeling that way until the come up starts hitting me. It must be something with the mushrooms themselves.
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#30 Posted : 3/1/2013 9:02:08 PM

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Yeah, it may simply be the unique shift of consciousness that mushrooms bring about. Sometimes you aren't aware the trip has already begun! Stomach issues may also be due to the come up anxiety. Not sure about you, but I always have at least a little anxiety on the come up which could set off a bad trip, or could be left alone and I will calm.
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#31 Posted : 3/2/2013 12:12:47 AM

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One possibility with capping mushrooms causing less nausea, maybe they are through the stomach and further down into the gut by the time the caps dissolve, thus absorbed in the intestine rather than the stomach?

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