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FranLover
#1 Posted : 6/5/2019 4:21:44 PM

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I am looking for people who have done Yopo. I have never done it. My question is about testimony; how does Yopo relate to the dmt world? As I understand Yopo is amazing clear visions with harsh body load...while that nn dmt is amazing visions with less body load? I wonder why the bufotenine body load is always emphasized. And more importantly, what does it mean? Is the only way to activate the third eye (open the "spiritual" world) hrough body load or the destruction of the body? (this relates to all psychedelics of course.) And does Yopo cause third eye activation? I know nn dmt has my third eye vibrating like crazy.
Yopo really tempts me because of the quality of visions described. I would like it with a cup of Caapi.
But I want to know what someone has made of it...to you, what is it? What has it done for you? How does it relate to hyperspace? How safe is it?
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#2 Posted : 6/5/2019 6:28:26 PM

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I personally never realy experienced that much discomfort with yopo.
I have never taken large quantities of it though.

The first few times i tried it, i smoked some powdered seeds with tobaco. The first time i did not feel or see anything special, but the second time i inhaled deeper and held the very harsh smoke in for longer. And i got some very mild visual effects, simmilar to the visual effects of shrooms.

From then on is started to experiment some more, and i smoked it with weed, or when i was already under the influence of other psychedelics.

I must say that it started to grow on me.

There is always a short phase of nausea and a heavy bodyload indeed. But it is short lasting and relatively mild compared to that of so many other substances.
But the more i did it, the more sensitive i seemed to become, for it's visual and euphoric effects.
After this short phase of nausea, there is a sudden onset of visual effects, paired with a mild sort of euphoria.

When you are already on shrooms, ayahuasca, or LSD, you don't need that much of it, and the effects are truly magical.

Once i was smoking it in a wooden cabin in a forest. I was sitting on a porch, and i swear to god, the forest turned into a cartoonesque sort of wild-west movie with cowboys and indians.
Another time i smoked it inside my bedroom, and then it started to snow inside my room, turning into a snowstorm with lightning.

What it has in common with vaporised DMT is this: you get very strong visual effects that can become so powerfull that they completely replace your normal visual reality. There is also a sense of immersion, though it is by far not as strong of that of DMT. That aspect of it is maybe comparable to a very powerfull cannabis experience. There definately IS a feeling of immersion, but it is not complete and total. It does not fully overtake you.

The last time i did it was with ALD-52, wich is basically just LSD. I put some grains of basified yopo under my tongue. After five minutes i started to get a rushing sensation, and then i saw a bunch of muppet-like figures.
Now here's the immersive part...at some point i felt i was turning into a muppet myself as well. I sort of experienced the muppet version of myself. You could say i was immersed into a muppet world, where everything or everybody is a muppet.
This may sound a funny, but it is actually a little disturbing to experience being a muppet.

But not as disturbing as it would have been with DMT. With DMT it would have been like: "oh my god, i don't want to be a muppet for the rest of my life, i don't want to have muppet sex, i want my human body back, oh dear god, i promise i'll believe in you from now on, i'll even go to church if you realy insist, but please make me human again".

With bufotenin it does not get that immersive. The euphoria is also comparable to that of cannabis. It is a warm and buzzing sort of feeling.
 
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#3 Posted : 6/5/2019 7:07:08 PM

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Thank you I appreciate your time Thumbs up I liked the idea of smoking it on shrooms...like smoking caapi on shrooms I imagine [reported by the McKenna brothers as the sparking of amazing imagery for 30minutes.] I totally know what you mean by the muppets. I can't wrap my head around why hyperspace (or the brain) is so bent on creating generic stuff. It's never one muppet,mannequin, little ball...they come by the thousands. They are running a factory over there and product is mass produced. It isn't just a western scene, it's the epitome of the western genre, It defines essence.
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#4 Posted : 6/6/2019 1:26:32 PM

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somewhere around 250 mics.
 
gazal
#5 Posted : 6/12/2019 2:51:28 PM

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I did few sessions with yopo with the Piaroas (Capitan Bolivar) in Puerto Ayacucho-Venezuela, but the first time was in Europe, in the middle of a Yagè ceremony.
In Venezuela it always was preceded by ingesting a milky brew made with macerated Caapi( no boil, only Caapi grinded and pounded in water 12 hours before) and accompained by the chants of shamans (Capitan Bolivar the main one).

It is very intense, but once I had to overcome the incapacitating body effects to reach the latrine 100 mt away in the bush: I only waited 15 minutes to have the first strong culmination subsided - so it is possible to mantain a bit of body control if really needed.

The Piaroas says Caapi is used to work with the past, Yopo with the present and Dada(Malouetia Flavescens = Schomburgkiana) with the future ... !

I did not know there was a link between yopo and the third eye, but i experimented a very overwelming flow of visions just there, in the centre of my skull. The more remarkable fact was not this explosion of colors and morphing but the realization that my inner centre of consciousness, the source and foundation of my identity, was untouched and unaffected, rather EXPOSED, by that chaotic neurological hyper-activity; like the still hub of a rotating wheel.

 
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#6 Posted : 6/13/2019 11:31:11 AM

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gazal wrote:
I did few sessions with yopo with the Piaroas (Capitan Bolivar) in Puerto Ayacucho-Venezuela, but the first time was in Europe, in the middle of a Yagè ceremony.
In Venezuela it always was preceded by ingesting a milky brew made with macerated Caapi( no boil, only Caapi grinded and pounded in water 12 hours before) and accompained by the chants of shamans (Capitan Bolivar the main one).

It is very intense, but once I had to overcome the incapacitating body effects to reach the latrine 100 mt away in the bush: I only waited 15 minuets to have the first strong culmination subsided - so it is possible to mantain a bit of body control if really needed.

The Piaroas says Caapi is used to work with the past, Yopo with the present and Dada(Malouetia Flavescens = Schomburgkiana) with the future ... !

I did not know there was a link between yopo and the third eye, but i experimented a very overwelming flow of visions just there, in the centre of my skull. The more remarkable fact was not this explosions of colors and morphing but the realization that my inner centre of consciousness, the source and foundation of my identity, was untouched and unaffected, rather EXPOSED, by that chaotic neurological hyper-activity; like the still hub of a rotating wheel.



Hi!=) thnx for sharing your experiences. I really liked the end; it is a bit like that.
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A simpering, whimpering child again
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gazal
#7 Posted : 6/13/2019 12:37:15 PM

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FranLover wrote:

Hi!=) thnx for sharing your experiences. I really liked the end; it is a bit like that.


Yes, the end is an insight that I rarely have the occasion to share, but I know it is an important thing to learn and pursue.
Thank you.
 
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#8 Posted : 6/16/2019 7:54:01 PM

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gazal wrote:
I did few sessions with yopo with the Piaroas (Capitan Bolivar) in Puerto Ayacucho-Venezuela, but the first time was in Europe, in the middle of a Yagè ceremony.
In Venezuela it always was preceded by ingesting a milky brew made with macerated Caapi( no boil, only Caapi grinded and pounded in water 12 hours before) and accompained by the chants of shamans (Capitan Bolivar the main one).

It is very intense, but once I had to overcome the incapacitating body effects to reach the latrine 100 mt away in the bush: I only waited 15 minutes to have the first strong culmination subsided - so it is possible to mantain a bit of body control if really needed.

The Piaroas says Caapi is used to work with the past, Yopo with the present and Dada(Malouetia Flavescens = Schomburgkiana) with the future ... !

I did not know there was a link between yopo and the third eye, but i experimented a very overwelming flow of visions just there, in the centre of my skull. The more remarkable fact was not this explosion of colors and morphing but the realization that my inner centre of consciousness, the source and foundation of my identity, was untouched and unaffected, rather EXPOSED, by that chaotic neurological hyper-activity; like the still hub of a rotating wheel.


Did you snort it? I can imagine snorting it is quite painfull. I've noticed that taking it sublingually causes a little bleeding in the mouth sometimes.
 
gazal
#9 Posted : 6/17/2019 9:45:14 AM

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yes, snorted.

Absolutely no pain, it is a very smooth e fragrant powder:
those indios are very good to
make this stuff.
 
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#10 Posted : 7/11/2019 9:10:32 PM

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If you were wondering about the throughout mentioning of the body load from Yopo Seeds then this may be due to the incapability of completely remove all the plant toxins when doing Yopo Snuff or even extractions.

It was reported that PURE bufotenine (main compound of active Yopo alkaloids) does not really produce a body load - the "toxins" do on the other hand and by incorporating a large amount of those other alkaloids it gets really unpleasant.

Therefore actually I would say there is no direct neccessity to couple the Yopo experience to the body load, its more like the other stuff inside of the seeds to prevent you from eating the plants babies. Sadly there is no 100 % reproducable way so far to isolate Bufotenine completely with only kitchen chemistry it seems :C :C
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