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greg170985
#1 Posted : 3/17/2019 9:46:53 PM
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Tout d’abord bonjour a tous et merci d’avance pour votre aide et votre précieux temps passer a me répondre...
pour commencer je tien a préciser que je suis français j’espère que mon poste sera traduit automatiquement... Pleased

après plusieurs expérience révélatrice avec la dmt je vient d'entamer pour la 1x une extraction de DMT a partir de 50g de MHRB a l'aide d'un PDF nommé From Plant to Changa , j'ai choisie une méthode stb en utilisant le xylène comme solvant afin d'en tirer du jungle spice...
le problème est que le Tutorial ne préciser pas que l'utilisation du xylène devait être accompagner de fasa: acide fumarique...
la méthode laisser entendre que rien ne changer par apport a une méthode stb avec du naphta pourtant au vue de mes recherches et du résultat je doute de la validité du procéder avec le xylène...
pour résumer mes manipulation et vous expliquer ma question je vais vous décrire rapidement les étapes que j'ai suivie
1-mouillage et remuage au bain marie avec une eau basic "bien doser" pendant 24h
2-xylène au bain marie mélanger au MHRB laisser reposer 24h + remuer la mixture régulièrement
3-extraction du solvant et mis au congélateur directement.
Problème les cristaux flotte...!!! pour la plupart les autre sont sur le bord du plat mai pas au fond ,ceux la sont des flocon que en tentent de siphonner ce dilue a nouveaux, de plus j'ai comme "l'impression" que le rendement et maigre...

du coup je me suis depuis instruit sur la méthode fasa qui préconisait du fasa pour précipiter la dmt dans le xylène en dmt fumarate mai ayant déjà cristalliser mes cristaux au congélateur comment faire pour rattraper mon erreur ? mai peaufiner ma méthode au xylène pas très au point pour l'instant.....
je pensait reprendre ce topic: https://wiki.dmt-nexus.m...action-The_FASA_Approach
et donc utiliser du fasa pour tenter de précipiter la dmt mai maintenant quel et partiellement cristalliser comme contourner cet erreur...? remettre le solvant au bain marie dissoudra peut être l'ensemble pour le précipiter ensuite correctement avec du fasa ?

le pull est depuis 24h au congèle je pensait aussi siphonner le xylène après encore 24h au congélateur cela est t'il un bonne idée ?
ou je devrait plutôt le laisser s'évaporer ?
comment ne pas dissoudre les nuage de cristaux pendant le siphonnage ?
cela est t'il bien de la dmt ? pour les cristaux solide au bord du plat faut t'il rincer le xylene comme indiquer dans le topic mentionner plus haut ?
je pense avoir manquer d'un peut sérieux dans mes recherches( j'y est pourtant mis du coeur a l'ouvrage) mai le pdf utiliser ma vraiment induit en erreur...
j'ai choisie cette méthode et ce document pour sa simplicité et sa fiabilité présumer ,le tuto est tout de même très complet, mai ce tuto laisser vraiment entendre que le procéder était identique en utilisant le xylène par apport au naphta ce dont je doute maintenant...
je me retrouve donc en plein milieux d'une extraction sans savoir comment la terminer sans encombre, de plus je ne possède pas encore d'acide fumarique, ni de connaissance certaine pour remédier a ce problème du moin je ne suis pas tres sur de moi... Sad

tout en sachant que je tien a utiliser du xylène afin d'extraire du jungle spice...
pourriez vous je vous pris m'aider a résoudre ces problème ou m'indiquer un topic que je pourrais reprendre pour finaliser mon extraction je continue bien sur de mon coter a chercher une solution pour de 1 finaliser cet extraction et 2 trouver une méthode fiable pour utiliser correctement le xylène mai avoir un avis et des conseil de quelqu'un d’expérimenter me rassurerait bcp je ne veut pas gacher et du coup je suis un peut embêter a ne pas savoir quoi décider.
je pense avoir compris maintenant la majorité dune méthode stb utilisant xylène grâce au topic mentionner plus haut mai si d'autre info capitale m’échappe mis a part l'utilisation de fasa dans la méthode stb pour précipiter en fumarate veuillez m'informer en ce sens je vous pris.... Pleased

je possède aussi de l'essence c si je suis une méthode stb correcte je ne rencontrerait pas ce problème ? la dmt cristallisera au fond et sera plus simple a récolter ?

dans l'attente d'une réponse afin de solutionner mon problème mai aussi de confirmer ensemble la validité de ce que je pense avoir compris dans la différence d'un procéder STB avec du xylène a savoir le besoin de précipiter la dmt avec de l'acide fumarique "fasa"

je vous remercie encore d'avance
cordialement

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First of all good morning has all and thank you in advance for your assistant and your precious time to pass has answer me...
to begin me yours has add that I am French I hope that my post will be automatically translatedPleased

after several revealing experience with the dmt I has just started for the 1x an extraction of DMT has leave of 50g MHRB has the assistant of PDF CALLED From Young plant to Changa , I chose a method stb by using the xylène as solvent to draw of spice jungle...
problem is that Tutorial to add not that the use of the xylène had to be to accompany with fasa: fumarique acid...
method to give to understand that to change nothing by contribution has a method stb with the naphta however in view of my researches and of result me doubts validity to go about things with the xylène...
to sum up manipulation my and to explain you my question I am fast going to describe you stages whom I followed
1 - anchoring and remuage in the bath marries BASIC to a water "well dose" during 24 h
2-xylène in the bath marry blend in MHRB let rest 24 h move the blend regularly
3 - extraction of the solvent and put in the freezer directly.
Problem crystals floats!!! mostly other one those are on the edge of the flat May not at the bottom, are her of flake which try it to siphon off it dilutes has new, furthermore I have as " the impression " that output and thin...

of blow I since learnt on fasa method who recommended of the fasa to throw the dmt into the xylène in dmt fumarate in May already having crystallise my crystals in the freezer how to catch my error? in May refine my method in the xylène not very in the point at the moment.....
I thought to take back this topic: https://wiki.dmt-nexus.m...action-The_FASA_Approach
and therefore use of the fasa to try to throw the dmt supporting in May what and partly to crystallise as to by-pass error this? to delay the solvent in the bath marries will dissolve is possible be group to throw it then correctly with the fasa?

the pullover is since 24 h in freeze me thought to siphon the xylène off also after another 24 h in the freezer it is you it one good idea?
or I should rather let it evaporate?
how not to dissolve cloud of crystals during the siphoning?
it is you him a lot of dmt? for crystals solid at the edge of the dish needs you him to rinse the xylene as to point out in the topic to mention higher?
I think of credit to lack one can seriousness in my researches (I is however put there by the heart has work) in May the pdf to use my really misled...
I chose this method and this document as its simplicity and its reliability to overestimate, the tuto is however very complete, in May this tuto to give to understand really that to go about things him was identical by using the xylène by contribution in the naphta what I doubt now...
I am therefore in full circles of an extraction without knowing how to end it without hitch, furthermore I still have fumarique acid, nor certain knowledge to remedy has this problem of the moin I am not tres on of me: (

while knowing that I yours has use of the xylène to extract of spice jungle...
could you I took you to help me problem has solve this or point a topic out to me where I could resume to finalise my extraction I well go on on of my to quote a solution for has search 1 to finalise this extraction and 2 to find a reliable method to use the xylène correctly in May to have an opinion and advice of somebody to experiment would reassure me bcp me do not want to gacher and blow I am one can bother has not know what to decide.
I think to have understood the majority now dune method stb using xylène thanks to the topic to mention in higher May if of other key information avoid me put has part the use of fasa in method stb to throw fumarate there please inform me in this direction I took youPleased

I also have some petrol c if I am a method stb correct me would not meet this problem? the dmt will crystallise at the bottom and will be simpler has harvest?

looking forward to an answer to solve my problem in May also to confirm together the validity of what I think to have understood in the difference of one to go about things STB with the xylène has know the need to throw the dmt with some acid fumarique " Fasa"

I even thank you for advance
warmly


 

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downwardsfromzero
#2 Posted : 3/18/2019 4:18:05 PM

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Evaporating xylene is stinky business. You can also recover the DMT from xylene using white vinegar/vinaigre destillé. Then you'll have an aqueous solution of DMT acetate which will require further processing to be smokable freebase. One way is to evaporate it dry, mix with sodium carbonate (carbonate de sodium/cristaux de soude), dry again, then extract the solid with acétone or isopropanol and allow to evaporate to recover full-spectrum goo.

It could be simpler to use your essence c next time. It is just a type of naphtha. That way your freeze precipitation would work.

If you visit the chat, you may be lucky enough to get assistance from one of our French speaking members.

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greg170985
#3 Posted : 3/18/2019 8:33:49 PM
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Thank you for your response downwardsfromzero ^^ If I summarize well to save the dmt solvent I should: -y add vinegar distil in order to turn it into DMT acetate until ok may to dry it with sodium carbonate ...? - how does it react, what does it entail, what reaction to expect? in what way does it dry? Is the solvent sucked up by the sodium carbonate - it's the only thing I'm not seized in your advice ... - and last step that I think I have understood dilution in acetone and then evaporation? after a good replay of the link post yesterday I tt the information required I think for the future no longer meet this problem due to a lack of knowledge may I count well with time to remedy and master the thing properly and properly. ..For info in my second attempt with MHRB own white crystals like salt this form little by little at the edge of the dish along the surface of the solvent, what is it like DMT crystals? I'll leave one more frosted moment because the crystals rise as you go so let nature .... I attach a photo for you to see this and with regard to the cloud of crystals in suspension I should wait to rush with Fasca or other or they will crystallize alone at the edge of the dish as and measure of the coup that advise you about these crystals that form gently on the edge of the dish? Some are pretty enough and more? Smile in a second dish I have the second pull of the first try to perform 24h after in that if nothing but a precipitation of some kind ... the sweater is empty ???? or carry too early, not enough leave to rest after the 1st pull? I would still try a rush with that if when I receive the fasa and other ingredient that unfortunately I miss to finalize this pull a last question even if it is rather a confirmation to be on: about my first tests the pot or I have my raw plant material extracted a first time xylene, it is quite possible without problem to make my next pull with gas how much time ideally between 2 pulls? thank you again thanks to your answer I advance slowly in the resolution of this problem, it is priceless for the impatient to find the hyperspace that sleep in meSmile indeed it's been a while that I am not had the opportunity to consume this wonderful p I have not been consumed yet has a lot of recovery despite a friend who was fetching may he my wonderfully initiate the thing, taking a lot of time to discuss, before, after, all his with a shamanic approach if I can compare ... in short, I can not wait to see a result, but I am confident, determined and in a respect for the product so there is no reason that I can not do it. with still a little research on the subject ... again thank you to you for your answer I wait for the continuationPleased cordially
 
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#4 Posted : 3/18/2019 8:54:37 PM

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Salut Greg et bienvenue sur le forum.

Tu as donc ton xylène et ta DMT dissoute dedans.
Si tu fais une solution aqueuse (avec de l'eau si possible distillée) et un peu de vinaigre, tu peux faire des pull (de la meme manière que tu as pull avec ton xylène sur tonmelange basique avec l'ecorce) avec cette solution sur ton xylène. tu faire plusieurs fois cela afin d'être sur de tout recupérer ce qui traine dans le xylène.
Ensuite, à feu doux, tu peux faire reduire le volume de ce melange de eau + vinaigre + dmt, jusqu'a ce que cela soit solide ou presque. Attention toutesfois, les vapeurs de vinaigre peuvent être irritantes lorsque évaporées, et attention aussi à ne pas faire bruler ce que tu évapores, d'ou l'interêt du feu doux, pour accelérer cela tu peux placer un ventilo.
Une fois que ton extrait est sec, tu peux le mettre en poudre et peser.
A ce moment tu auras de l'acetate de dmt, qu'il ne vaut mieux pas fumer car irritant.
le but étant de convertir cela en forme fumable (freebase) afin d'en faire ta changa.
Pour cela tu vas peser un montant équivalent de carbonate de sodium (Na2CO3) [pour rappel tu peux en faire à partir du bicarbonate de soude que tu trouves en magasin facilement et pas cher], le melanger avec ton extrat d'acetae de dmt et l'humidifier lègerement et tu laisse réagir, tu apercevras un changement d'odeur, de couleur et T°.
Une fois que ça a réagit (environ 10 minutes pour être tranquil) tu peux faire tes pull avec different type d'alcool, l'ideal étant qu'il soit le plus pur possible (95%). Tu peux aussi utiliser de l'acetone pour cela, c'est peut-être plus simple à trouver si tu es en France que de l'alcool pur (quoique certaine pharmacie en vendent encore en dessous de la table ..).
Une fois que tu as fais tes plusieurs pull sur ta petite mixture, tu peux les combiner et aller directement en changa ou herbes améliorées.
Tu trouveras sur le wiki comment faire du carbonate de sodium, tu trouveras également sur le forum également les recette appellées "dryteks" qui sont éxactement cela Smile

En espérant t'avoir apporté mon aide

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#5 Posted : 3/18/2019 8:56:16 PM

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Ps : quoi qu'il en soit ave cton xylène rien ne se perd comme ça ^^, ce que tu as dans ton xylène est bon, tu peux le traiter d'une manière differente par la suite Smile

 
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#6 Posted : 3/18/2019 9:16:39 PM

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Greg, although your description was not entirely clear, it sounds as though the crystals that formed around the edge of your solvent - if this was xylene in a freezer - could have been ice. If the xylene was evaporating it could have been DMT but in that case the crystals could be expected have a yellow colour. [There are plenty of pictures of DMT crystals to be found on this forum if you need to compare.]

What solvent was it and what condition had it been subject to?



[We're meant to stick to English on this forum but pastanostra's doing a sterling job nonetheless Wink )




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#7 Posted : 3/18/2019 10:47:24 PM
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hello and thanks to you too pastanostra: thumb_up:
thank you for your welcome, gentlemen: p Cool

- a thousand thanks for pastanostra you take away the epine of the foot and well of worries in great BIG UP to you: smile:

- To answer you slowly, at the same time, they evaporated.

- So, it is possible to make an essential pull after pulling a sweater on the same MHRB ???
I do not think that this poses a problem or a change something I let you confirm me ...?

can you advise me on the choice of solvent in the future .... ???
I had a hard time understanding that the naphtha was possible to try C or F by examole I heard about oil call benzene 60/95 in France ...
my choice is to wear xylene in order to shoot a max alkaloid and harvest jungle spice should do some research?

- You've gotten it to your face, the surface to solvent, it has even been already visible on the forum.

- I hesitate to have evaporated see if the crystals melt or dry ....
- all dilute in marie and use the tech of pastanostra to finalize the extraction ...

thank you
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Well, it would be interesting to see what a naphtha - essence c - pull ("essential" - now I get it!) would turn up. It would be worth a try.

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it has even been already visible on the forum

You have three posts and none of them has a picture attached. Have I missed something? I think we're have linguistic problems Very happy




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#9 Posted : 3/20/2019 5:30:18 PM
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Un GRAND MERCI a vous pastanostra et a partir de zéro vos réponse mon était d'une grande aide...!!!

j'ai maintenant une autre question d'importance...Confused
j'ai fait un teste avec une petite quantité et est réussie a extraire de mon xylene le dmt je l'ai fais évaporer dans une poêle tefale, je me retrouve avec une matière très gluante qui réduit jusqu’à disparition ou presque....
du coup je ne sait pas quoi faire....Sad
est il OBLIGATOIRE de le transformer en poudre ??? j'ai l'impression de la bruler plutot que autre chose arriver a un moment...
ou la sécher revient a avoir une boule visqueuse type résine ???
j'aurais tendance a dire que la forme "sèche" est la "résine"
j'attend avec impatient une réponse j'ai grand hâte de finaliser tout cela et d'enfin goutter mon extraction Big grin

en tout cas vous n'imaginer pas ma joie quand la douce odeur de la tryptamine a envahie ma cuisine Big grin Big grin Big grin vraiment merci a vous pour vos conseil j'ai passer une très bonne journée grâce a vous car je commencer a être frustrer de ne pas arriver a avoir un résultat malgré mes effort....

dans les starting block pour mettre en oeuvre vos conseil
merci encore d'avance Wink


A GREAT THANK YOU to you pastanostra and from scratch your answer my was a great help ... !!!

I now have another important question ...Confused
I made a test with a small amount and is successful in extracting from my xylene the dmt I made it evaporate in a tefale pan, I find myself with a very sticky matter that reduces until disappearance or almost ... .
so I do not know what to do .... Sad
is it NECESSARY to turn it into a powder ??? I have the impression to burn it rather than something else happen at a time ...
or to dry it to have a resinous viscous ball ???
I would say that the "dry" form is the "resin"
I look forward to an answer I can not wait to finalize all this and finally drip my extraction grin:

in any case you do not imagine my joy when the sweet smell of tryptamine invaded my kitchen: grin:: grin: grin: really thank you for your advice I have a great day thanks to you because I start to be frustrated not to have a result despite my efforts ....

in the starting blocks to implement your advice
thanks again in advance: wink:
 
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#10 Posted : 3/20/2019 6:10:53 PM
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une fois dans l'alcool ou dans l’acétone la dmt acétate et le carbonate de sodium est sensé se diluer dans l’alcool ou pas ?
pouvez vous me décrire please ?


once in alcohol or acetone the acetate dmt and sodium carbonate is supposed to be diluted in alcohol or not?
can you describe me please?
 
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#11 Posted : 3/20/2019 6:33:02 PM
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la dmt acétate récolter était dur cassante a l’apparence brûlée du moins plus brillante qui laisse penser a des trace d'eau ou autre ce qui est la raison qui ma pousser a la faire aussi longtemps évaporer car il ma était conseiller de reduire en poudre du coup je suis un peut perdu encore... Sad
je penser devoir récolter de la poudre cela est t'il la consistance a récolter après séchage ou pas ...
j'ai l'impression que la garder en résine serait le mieux....
le mélange eau carbonate de sodium na pas vraiment réagit je trouve... une fois dans le solvant cela est rester dans le même état une partiel dilution a colorer l’alcool, je pense avoir brûler le produit, qu'en penser vous ??

comment procéder pour ce séchage pouvez vous me conseiller svp...??

merci d'avance


the dmt Acetate harvest was hard brittle to the burnt appearance of the less brilliant that suggests water or other trace which is the reason that push me to do it as long evaporate because it was advising me to reduce powder so I'm still a little lost ... Sad
I think I should harvest the powder is it the consistency to harvest after drying or not ...
I have the impression that keeping it in resin would be the best ....
the mixture water sodium carbonate did not really react I find ... once in the solvent it is to remain in the same state a partial dilution to color the alcohol, I think to have burned the product, that to think you ??

how to proceed for this drying can you advise me please ??

thank you in advance
 
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#12 Posted : 3/20/2019 6:41:59 PM
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si vous arriviez a me décrire la consistance a obtenir et a me conseiller en détaillant un peut plus la marche a suivre de ce qui a était dit plus haut je pense pouvoir finaliser sa rapidement mai tant que je n'aurait aucune certitude j’attendrai...

dans quoi feriez vous évaporer le vinaigre et secher la dmt, plat pirex, poel, sur le gaz, au four ?

que doit t'il y avoir comme réaction avec le carbonate et l'eau ?
pareil concernant la dilution avec l'alcool svp...?

encore merci Big grin
 
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#13 Posted : 3/20/2019 9:30:57 PM

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Gentle heat for evaporation. Not "sur le gaz"!

Addition of solid carbonate, then a little water, followed by drying again.

Then extract the dried solid with alcohol. It is not a dilution.

And as I said on the other thread - patience! It seems you are hurrying. You need to understand what you will be doing, and why, before you start doing it.




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