So, I've been prescribed dextro-amphetamine since i was 5. When I was 16 I tried LSD for the first time and had purposefully skipped my days dosage of DA that day. (as I didnt know how the two would interact). Until about a year ago, I had always taken care not to mix my psychedelics with amphetamines. Well Last april I sorta randomly ended up with about a half oz of P cubensis Huatla variety from a good friend of mine/clandestine mushroom farmer who wanted me to try them for him. About 2 years had passed since i had last eaten mushrooms so I was a little impatient and overeager. I decided instead of waiting until the next day and skipping my dose of DA, that I would just chance it and see how the two paired. They paired BEAUTIFULLY for me. Ive always loved mushrooms but I'll never take them without amphetamines ever again. Ive experimented about 9 times with psilocybin and amphetamines varying the dosage of the two and have yet to produce a negative experience. With that being said, I have yet to experiment with DMT and amphetamines and am wondering if the two will pair similarly for me? I tested my batch yesterday and noticed that around the 10-12mg range my experience was VERY similar to that of a 3 gram mushroom trip. Does anyone have any experience mixing the two or maybe advice, tips ETC.

Hi there!

Amphetamines are a phenethylamine, as well as molecules like mescaline and MDMA. Sure, amphetamines can be paired with psychedelics. There are psychedelic amphetamines. I guess it all depends.

I have mixed mescaline with mushrooms and DMT. I have mixed MDMA with mushrooms. Is it recommended? I guess that depends on comfort and dosage. Are you prescribed ONLY dextro? Or a dextro/levo blend?


Take Care,
ACY

"Are you prescribed ONLY dextro? Or a dextro/levo blend?"

My normal dosage is 2 Dexedrine 10 mg tablets twice a day. I think I'm gonna try it. I'll let you know how it goes. Safe travels friend.

I am no doctor, so don't consider my word as any kind of rule or advice, but if you take your normally prescribed dose at the normal time, I don't see why there would be much of a problem. I'd still start small and work your way up to make sure that it's not going to become uncomfortable in any fashion. (well.... potentially "more" uncomfortable.)

However, if you've been taking it since you are 5, and you're atleast 18, then i'd imagine you have a pretty strong tolerance and 20 mg twice a day doesn't really "feel" like much.

Proceed safely.

Take Care!
ACY

UPDATE:I ingested 20 mg of Dexedrine roughly one hour before I vaporized approximately 15mg of DMT. It was everything I could have hoped for. Ive preformed somewhere around 25-30 extractions on MHRB but have yet to gather up the courage to try and break through. (My highest dose to date is 25mg) I've always mostly just enjoyed showing it to people who would else wise never encounter it and giving it away to friends. I think this might have been what I was waiting for. Gonna shoot for 50mg tonight. Wish me luck.

50 mg might be way more than you're expecting. It's as if the experience intensity is more exponential than a doubling type-thing. Maybe try 35 mg first.

25-30 extractions? That's a lot for never breaking through. Careful about sharing with people. It's good to gift occasionally, but if you gain a reputation of being "that guy with DMT," then you may attract the wrong attention.

Be safe and I would not deviate from your normal schedule for taking your meds. Not sure of your local time - but most doctors around this area would not advise taking amphetamines past 4pm. However, I haven't seen many doctors in this area prescribe people with just dextro. Usually, they prescribe people adderall or "amphetamine salts" as a mix between the dextro and levo. If I recall, one of the enantiomers has "stronger" effects, but shorter duration; and the other lasts longer, but reduced effects. I don't remember which is which.

Any particular reason for 2x 10 mg tablets? Do they not produce a 20 mg tablet?

Take care,
ACY

I feel it's appropriate to add: if taking those meds, don't consume harmalas or other RIMAs. There is a chance of adverse interactions. A lot of people discuss using changa to "glide" into a breakthrough.... changa has harmalas, so it would not be advisable. Freebase DMT, in moderation, should not be a health concern.

I don't believe they make a 20 mg tablets, and I'm honestly not completely sure as to why I was taken off of Adderall and switched to dexedrine. I was 9-10 years old when the switch over occurred. I believe it may have had something to do with minor adverse reactions. (Headache, insomnia, etc)I may shoot for 35mg tonight and hold off on 50 just yet. I appreciate you caring enough to warn me about that, but you needn't worry. I take extra extra care as far as my extractions and my interactions go. I'm 26 years old and these extractions have taken place over the course of the last 8 years, with about 10-15 of them coming the first year and the highest yield being 2 grams. Nothing crazy. Like I said though, I appreciate that you care enough to worry. Cheers

Ahhh, gotchya. That makes more sense, now. When I saw 25-30 extractions, and saw that you are a new member - I just didn't know the time frame. Yeah, over 8 years that is more understandable. A lot of times we see new folks going balls-to-the-wall and get in far over their head.

I can relate to the first year and a relatively large fractions of total extractions occurring during that time. I don't think I have ever counted extractions, so no number to compare, but they add over time. I have a rough estimate of how much bark I have used in my time... but, hey - woof woof woof woof woof woof woof woof!! We all bark at some point or another.



If you feel that the 35 mg is just under the place that you'd like to go, you could always repack and try again. Back in the honeymoon phase, I used to have sessions where I would sit for a few hours and vape back to back, with multiple breakthroughs. Depending on your relationship with DMT and yourself, this can be constructive or destructive. I've experienced both. Now-a-daze I usually just go for a single hit, here or there, and then let that be enough. Once you do go "there" (where/when ever that IS), then it gets easier to go back if you have a good relationship. If you have a poor relationship with yourself and DMT, then it becomes increasingly difficult.

If I find that I am throwing a ton of material in the pipe and just spinning tires, then it's likely a sign that I should hang it up for a minute. Though, I've not really had that "spinning tires" situation in 3 years or so. Nor have I had any extended sessions in some time, either.

Happy travels!
ACY

I just finished my session. I loaded 100mg into an oil burner and sort of just stayed at the 25mg level, about every 5 minutes I would take a hit to just keep me idle there. I finished the 100mg in a little over an hour. It was honestly kind of beautiful. It felt like a mushroom trip that I was in complete control of how long would last. Ill get there eventually. For now this works for me. No rushes. I appreciate your help and words of wisdom. P&L

I'm glad to hear that you found a nice groove.

Sometimes it just takes a little "tinkering" to get the whole process down. I've never used an oil burner type pipe, but thre are many who say that it's easy. I would worry myself about putting the hot pipe on something that would burn or melt. I use a glass vapor genie pipe. It's very easy to use and almost seems as though it's a guaranteed breakthrough - for me.

It might be easier to reach the breakthrough dose from using a different pipe or method. Not sure if you're a cannabis fan, or not - cannabis with a dose of DMT (piled on top) was my go-to method for the first 7 or 8 months of use. I would hold the lighter about 2-3 cm above the pile and lightly inhale. Make sure the flame keeps a decent distance until the DMT has melted into the herb, and then begin to increase inhalation rate and slowly lower the flame an additional centimeter. It's best if the flame doesn't ever directly touch the herbs or DMT. Direct combustion to the DMT results in burning and often an unpleasant experience. It might be good to practice technique before adding DMT. Yes, the herb may eventually begin to combust, but hopefully that is after the DMT has been vaporized.

Another option is enhanced leaf... basically the same thing as changa minus the harmala alkaloids. I also liken it to the "pile" method in relation to vaping method - hold flame few centimeters above, and slowly inhale.. then lower the flame. You may read about some people directly combusting enhanced leaf - I think combusted DMT tastes terrible... not my style.

As mentioned, changa is not an option.

Some people use dab rigs (i haven't tried those) or DMT dissolved in vape fluid and loaded into an electronic vaporizer (i have tried this- once dialed in, it's petty easy.)

Over all, convection heating, through use of the GVG or classic VG, has been my most preferred method. The downside of the classic VG is that its body is made of wood and can risk being burnt if using a torch lighter. For a classic VG, stick with a bic lighter. For the GVG, get a small torch lighter... you'll never buy another oil burning pipe again - I promise. I know a lot of people rant and rave about how great the GVG is, but there is actually a valid reason. It's not just the trend, it really works the best.

I fought the idea of a $100 pipe ("just" for smoking DMT) for a long time. "I don't need one of those stinkin' fancy, expensive glass pipes... meh, the classic VG is just fine, grumble, grumble, grumble..." until my friend bought a GVG for me as a gift. I was currently on about a 2 year hiatus from frequent DMT use, so my GVG sat, unused, for about a month and a half to two months. Finally, curiousity pulled me in (again) and I decided to give it a shot. I loaded an average dose ( ~25 - 35 mg ) and dug my torch lighter out of the "danger box." Got in a calm state, whispered my personal prayer/mantra/words/vibrations of air controlled by the exhale, and then lifted the pipe to my lips and started inhaling. I kept going until I no longer saw vapor in the chamber and then quickly set it down.... "5...4...3... wait.... where is... 2?..... ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh man o man o man o man!" NEVER had a breakthrough seemed so effortless. It was almost as if I had no other choice. Granted, i think it had been 6-7 months befor the previous dose.

I went VERY hard during the honeymoon. In the following years, frequency decreased. As of lately, frequency is increasing - and well over-due.


Take Care!!
ACY

P.s. I gave yah a vote towards promotion. I can appreciate the level of concern and safety that you've put forth towards insuring that your medication will not have negative interactions. As another person with ADHD, i can relate in multiple ways. I had (purposefully) stopped taking the prescribed meds in my earlier 20's, but it didn't make the symptoms go away. I just dealt with them. Over time, it became so invasive, into my life, that I reconsidered accepting medication to treat the condition. After a few years of treating the wrong diagnosis (they thought extreme anxiety), I told my Dr. that I had been diagnosed with ADHD as a juvenile and had chosen to stop taking the meds. It was like a light bulb went off in his head, "duh! He's feeling anxiety because of lack of focus and feels too overstimulated."

He proposed adderall, I denied it at first. But, he said that an individual with ADHD will likely experience anxiety if untreated. So, I said, "Ah, what the hell, why not?" It meant that I could stop taking a few other meds - if it worked... trade 3 away in exchange for 1? Seems reasonable. I was concerned about stimulation effects and already being anxious. He reminded me that people with ADHD tend to feel relaxation from amphetamine than anxiety - unless over prescribed. Gave it a shot.... well, he was not wrong. In exchange, I cannot take harmala. However, I was able to stop taking 3 OTHER meds that were attempting to fix the anxiety/mood instability. Now, down to two meds. This is THE first that i've announced (on the nexus) that I take adderall for ADHD. I'll probably be judged, but I don't really care. I take ONLY as prescribed, so if people wanna judge that - they can go look in the mirror and see if judgement is really worth the negative energy.



P.s of the p.s. Coincidentally, when I stopped taking the other 3 meds, and switched to the blend of amphetamine salts, DMT seemed to "welcome me back" with open arms... not advocating the unprescribed use of amphetamine, but maybe it was a sign that I'd been taking the wrong approach. My best advice: just make sure that you are honest with your doc, and take meds responsibly.

I was always a fan of changa in the beginning stages of my experimenting. I then started to favor sandwiching it before inevitably graduating to using an oil burner. I can see the advantages of using something like a vapor genie and I've wrestled with the idea of using my day rig however, I'm sort of a stickler when it comes to being in control up until the point where I can willfully relinquish it. (I hope that makes sense) everything I've read so far about hot nail vaporizing and vapor genies seems to indicate instant breakthroughs almost consistently. My ego is so enlarged it would seem that he would need to be in complete control of how he dies. Last night after my session I used about 300mg to make 1.5 grams of changa with an Aya sample blend that my vendor included with my purchase. I ordered the Chinese vapor genie about a week ago offline and it should be here tomorrow (essentially an oil burner accessorie set into a glass bubble chamber) along with my ejuice supplies from eBay, just so happening to contain 32fl oz of..you guessed it Vegetable Glycerin. I've got about 600mg left to experiment with as well as 100 grams of bark stashed away for hard times. Knowing me and my curse of constantly needing to tinker with something, in a month I'll have more tinctures and different route of ingestion methods than I'll know what to do with haha

Ive always made it a point to have at least 2 dmt sessions a year. Always with the goal of breaking through. Since my buddy started growing mushrooms I've completely substituted alcohol with Psilocyban. (Not that I've ever really been a drinker) but where I would usually be drinking a few beers i found myself preferring a 1.75-2.5 gram mushroom dose. It has really worked wonders for my depression and I feel it counteracts a lot of the negative side effects my medication produces. The daily use of stimulants can slowly take a toll on you and leave you feeling drained. I've found that a 2.5 gram MM dose on Friday night, followed by plenty of rest and healthy meals on Saturday and Sunday accompanied with at least one night of social interactions with family or close friends is about the most therapeutic reboot you could ask for.

I really appreciate the vote man. Youve been extremely helpful as well as knowledgeable and polite. P&L