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SKA
#1 Posted : 2/15/2012 5:09:36 PM
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Hai fellow Nexians,

I was just lurking around on Wikipedia and came across
a reference of Mimosa Ophthalmocentra having a DMT
content of 1.6% in it's dried roots. Not bad at all. Surprised
Here's the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/...delic_plants#cite_ref-52
That link should take you right to it, top of th page.

I tried to verify the information by clicking on the link Wikipedia gave as
the source for this 1.6% DMT content-claim, but unfortunately the link doesn't
work( Like so many other source-links that don't work on Wikipedia Rolling eyes )

Does anyone here know of this particulair Mimosa? Can anyone here verify
this impressively high DMT content in Mimosa Ophthalmocentra on basis of
chemical analysis done on this Plant?
If not I would really like to recommend Nexians with access to this plant,
and who are capable of doing Chem-Analysises, to make extracts of Mimosa
Ophthalmocentra's dried Roots, Leaves, Seeds & Flowers and weight these
extracts.

Then these different extracts could be analysed to determine
their content, and how much of that is NN,DMT. With this information,
and off course the weight of the original plant-samples used for
the extractions, we can determine what percentage DMT was in these
Mimosa Ophthalmocentra samples. Would be nice to compair these
percentages to the 1.6% DMT claim wikipedia makes.


Anyone with access to Mimosa Ophthalmocentra, a sensitive scales that
can meisure acurately down to 1 mg(0.001g) and the skill & equipment
nececairy for proper Phyto-Chemical analysis: Please don't hessitate
to analyse this plant and it's DMT content. And the more analysises,
the better.


A 1.6% DMT content-claim, people, certainly deserves deeper investigation.


Images to help identify Mimosa Ophthalmocentra:




Short description by Wikipedia:
Mimosa ophthalmocentra, Jurema-embira ( "Red Jurema" ) is a tree in the Fabaceae family. It is native to Brazil.[1] It is shrub or small tree about 3 to 5 m tall.[2][3] Its blossoms come in long, narrow cylindrical spikes having yellowish white petals and a white stamen.[3] The blossoms are sometimes found to have a pink tinge.[4] The fruit is green, sometimes with red or purple, flat, about 8 cm long and about 1 cm wide.[4]
 

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#2 Posted : 2/15/2012 5:27:07 PM

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Yeah its true this plant has been analysed by Batista et al 1999. This tree is even sometimes mistaken for mimosa hostilis, here's a publication about it and how to distinguish them

The thing is, it comes from same area for Mimosa hostilis, and people are already getting similar yields from mimosa bought commercially. Also, to customs it would look the same and be as problematic as Mimosa hostilis, and there are no vendors out there selling it. Regarding planting, I think it would be more or less the same characteristics.

So if we start testing this plant, what would be the advantage? I mean, lets say we find it is indeed 1.6%, but we got nobody to get it to others, what do we do?

And also consider that very often plant alkaloid content can change, so just because one plant of a specific species was tested some many years ago to have X alkaloids, doesn't mean it will always be so. I've had a personal example recently that I read a publication that a specific plant, Anadenanthera falcata, had up to 3.5% 5-MeO-DMT, I got really excited and tried to get some of those seeds. They arent sold by any ethnobotanical stores, they are only sold locally in Brazil. I got some with a friend and tested them and they only had bufotenine with traces of 5-MeO-DMT and DMT.

So my interest, based on one single test from many years ago, turned out pointless.. But then, who knows, maybe the large 5-MeO-DMT content was the norm, and my recent test was a minority of cases, a bad luck I had? But I dont have money to keep trying to get from other sources. Anyways I thought it was worth it because finally a good yielding clean 5-MeO-DMT source would be worth it (and sustainable, because its seeds). But in the case of Mimosa ophthalmocentra, we dont get something sooo special and its not like Mimosa hostilis is missing, right?
 
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#3 Posted : 2/15/2012 6:01:17 PM
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Indeed it wouldn't have any legal advantages. It just has a really high DMT content.

About legal issues; There have been australian plans to ban 1000s of species of plants.
Among them the Australian National Symbol: The Acacia. But also mescaline cacti and
almost all other plants that MIGHT contain entheogens. Haven't heard of this most
disturbing plan in a while. The last thing I heard was that an army of outraged hobby-
and professional-botanists were furiously against it.

My point is:
We will never find plant sources of Entheogenic compounds that will remain
legal for all too long. It will get out, reach authorities and be banned too in time.
Our best bet is to trade entheogenic live plants & plant material as Botanicals for the
garden, Firewood, "Rainmakers" filled with spicey Seeds and/or Leaves, Mimosa-bark
woodcarving art, Necklaces with Yopo-seeds and/or Acacia-bark beads, Paper from
Acacia/Mimosa Woodpulp...etc We should sell these plants and their harvested materials
ass ANYTHING but Entheogens. Better still would be if all Entheogenophiles grew their
own entheogenic plants & traded seeds and live plants under the guise of "mere
Botanical Hobby-ists". I really wouldn't mind seeing the smartshop die out and
Botanical trading sites & shops selling Mimosa/Acacia-pulp paper, Acacia-bead/Yopo-
seed necklaces..etc taking their place. More & more I see drugs shouldn't be too
available to the general public, as this would only cause fools to take drugs
they can't handle and lead to further demonisation & prohibition of drugs &
their plant sources.

This way only knowledgable, responsible users, like us, can access these powerfull,
plant-based Entheogenic compounds. More underground, more private, more secure.
Alot less chance of dumbasses accessing Entheogens, being dumbasses on them &
helping to give these drugs even WORSE a reputation.




Now lets get back to Mimosa Ophthalmocentra. Anyone here who's seen this
growing near their house?
 
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#4 Posted : 8/1/2013 8:35:48 AM

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Analysis found.
 
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#5 Posted : 8/10/2013 6:07:17 AM

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I have some seeds. I will be growing this species soon. The seeds are very hard to come by. My buddy actually found a tree in it's wild habitat and grabbed some seeds.
3... 2... 1... BLAST OFF!!!!FFO TSALB ...1 ...2 ...3


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#6 Posted : 11/22/2013 2:38:37 AM

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iracema wrote:
Analysis found..


Interesting. I Notice they used dried ground roots, not just the root bark.
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#7 Posted : 12/8/2013 11:29:36 PM

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no, but i do know that both mimosa arenosa and mimosa ophthalmocentra seeds are available on sharetheseeds if you are a full member.
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#8 Posted : 3/2/2019 12:31:05 PM
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hey, please sell me seeds of mimosa ophthalmocentra
 
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#9 Posted : 3/2/2019 9:02:43 PM

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I have found through personal experience that M. hostilis will survive temps as low as 23F. M. opthalmocentra and M. arenosa both perished. So if you are in a postion to grow these valuable species outside of their native habitat M. hostilis is probably your best bet.
I already asked Alice.

 
 
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