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#121 Posted : 2/7/2019 11:48:19 PM

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I can say the same for religion: Jesus was a liar with mental health issues who believes hes the choosen one


You would be correct if Jesus ever actually existed. But seeing as there's absolutely no historical evidence for his existence, you're technically wrong. Big grin


What about the writings of Romano-Jewish historian Flavius Josephus.......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus

And Historicity of Jesus
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#122 Posted : 2/8/2019 11:38:21 PM
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What about the writings of Romano-Jewish historian Flavius Josephus.......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus

And Historicity of Jesus


Yeah, I used to be Super-Christian-Man, and would use that same material to rebut. But now I'm more inclined to believe this: https://www.washingtonpo...utm_term=.7f7c99eb0a42.

I was Super-Christian-Man until I began experimenting with psychedelics in 2015. After going on several shroom trips (1.5-7g), and feeling a universal love and acceptance for every creature, and a connection with every thing, I could no longer reconcile the exclusivity of Christianity (or any religion) with my new perception.
 
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#123 Posted : 2/9/2019 9:57:25 AM

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badsponge wrote:

I was Super-Christian-Man until I began experimenting with psychedelics in 2015. After going on several shroom trips (1.5-7g), and feeling a universal love and acceptance for every creature, and a connection with every thing, I could no longer reconcile the exclusivity of Christianity (or any religion) with my new perception.


I think that Pantheism is a very logical way to look at spirituality, whether one has had that revelation after taking drugs or not. But perhaps you are not referring to pantheism and i am projecting my own idea of what i translate your spiritual beliefs to be. Which is my main original gripe for certain members jumping on the OP. Spirituality is a very personal thing and i think that problems arise when it evolves into a shared, collective consensus. Adding certainty to this is even more problematic.


The main argument that Raphael Lataster uses for Jesus not existing is lack of early sources. Surely if we are disputing the existence of someone due to lack of first hand historical evidence then there are strong arguments for many historical figures not having existed. Apparently there are no surviving documents concerning Alexander the great until 200 years after his death. Do we have to deny that he ever existed?

Why does denying the christian doctrine have to go hand in hand with the denial that Jesus existed? To me this just seems like atheist dogmatism.
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#124 Posted : 2/9/2019 3:52:29 PM

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I apologize for my immature response earlier. It was not needed. I have often found myself bothered by religious topics for various reasons. At the time I was being smug and perhaps a bit trollish. I made a mistake. I should have not entered into the conversation with a taunt, but instead offer an intelligent response.

I feel that the O.P. would have a different prespective on his/her experience if it was not hued by any kind of religious view. Angels and demons can be an easy label for these entities. These entities cannot be wrapped up into a nice neat package. Some have negative intentions and some have good intentions and some have no intentions and some simply wait for our intentions. These entities can be whatever we bring with us. If you bring in these religious views, I feel that there is a possiblity that some things can be lost in translation and misinterpretted.

I have had very difficult experiences and the entities seemed ruthless and even seemed to enjoy my suffering. I have also had experiences where I have been wrapped in love by these entities. I feel like if I labeled these two experiences good and evil I would have missed out on something. That something for me is that they are the same thing.

The entity that loves you is the entity that tortures you. The entity that cheers your existence is the same that enjoys your pain. In this, they are equal and all entities offer a lesson to be learned. The lesson could be quickly over and not much learned if you just chalk it all up to evil at work. I mean there is just so much more to it. I feel like you can't just say the the entities are not to be trusted and they are not here to be kind to you. It just is not that simple for me personally. There is another way to look at it.


I again apologize for my earlier dumb response. I can be a down right pain in the ass sometimes. Above is what I wanted to say at the time and I offer it now to the O.P. in hope my prior taunts will be forgiven.

How do you feel about your experience now? Do you still feel the same way as you did when you wrote this post?
“Sensation tell us a thing is.
Thinking tell us what it is this thing is.
Feeling tells us what this thing is to us.”
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#125 Posted : 2/9/2019 4:47:54 PM
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DmnStr8 wrote:
I apologize for my immature response earlier. It was not needed. I have often found myself bothered by religious topics for various reasons. At the time I was being smug and perhaps a bit trollish. I made a mistake. I should have not entered into the conversation with a taunt, but instead offer an intelligent response.

I feel that the O.P. would have a different prespective on his/her experience if it was not hued by any kind of religious view. Angels and demons can be an easy label for these entities. These entities cannot be wrapped up into a nice neat package. Some have negative intentions and some have good intentions and some have no intentions and some simply wait for our intentions. These entities can be whatever we bring with us. If you bring in these religious views, I feel that there is a possiblity that some things can be lost in translation and misinterpretted.

I have had very difficult experiences and the entities seemed ruthless and even seemed to enjoy my suffering. I have also had experiences where I have been wrapped in love by these entities. I feel like if I labeled these two experiences good and evil I would have missed out on something. That something for me is that they are the same thing.

The entity that loves you is the entity that tortures you. The entity that cheers your existence is the same that enjoys your pain. In this, they are equal and all entities offer a lesson to be learned. The lesson could be quickly over and not much learned if you just chalk it all up to evil at work. I mean there is just so much more to it. I feel like you can't just say the the entities are not to be trusted and they are not here to be kind to you. It just is not that simple for me personally. There is another way to look at it.


I again apologize for my earlier dumb response. I can be a down right pain in the ass sometimes. Above is what I wanted to say at the time and I offer it now to the O.P. in hope my prior taunts will be forgiven.

How do you feel about your experience now? Do you still feel the same way as you did when you wrote this post?


No hard feelings. I appreciate you writing the above in good heart. Apology easily accepted.

I do still feel the same way. I have 100% faith in the Holy Quran and these 'entities' are well explained in it. There is a whole chapter dedicated to them. Called the Chapter of Jinn.. it speaks of good ones and bad ones. Every time I reflect on the experience it is nothing but solid in my mind. There was nothing ambiguous about what I saw and felt and experienced.

Peace and just be careful man, have a critical and questioning attitude when/if you continue to visit these places.
 
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#126 Posted : 2/9/2019 7:11:39 PM

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DmnStr8, it was really nice to see you realize the harshness of your first post. I am an atheist as well and I think I have at least a vague understanding of what you feel about the religious talk. However, as you yourself came to see, being nice to each other creates a better atmosphere. So I just wanted to express you are not the only one out there with this Smile
 
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Has anyone ever tried "touching" them? I grew up in a unique religion that taught in its deeper lore how to distinguish between a "good spirit" and a "bad spirit". You offer your hand for them to shake. The good ones will decline and the bad ones will attempt and fail.


No, but I have been touched by one uninvited.

It was right at the end of a DMT experience. There was this beautiful female figure in front of me, maybe a blueish transparent hue but I can't remember that specifically. Anyway, she came forward and kind of lent in towards me, raising her hand to my face. I thought it was going to just caress my face but her hand slipped right through and it felt like it was actually going inside of my skull (it made me aware of my body and hyperspace at the same time), reaching for the centre of my brain. At that moment the whole scene just disappeared, I opened my eyes, and I felt a slight breeze or sensation pass across my face.

I thought it was amazing at the time. It felt very loving and tender, and it certainly capped off a great DMT experience.

Looking back though, I'm on the fence about it. How do I know there was no malicious intent that I can't perceive? If it were comparable in intelligence, would it have violated my personal space like that? Was it really a female figure or was it just posing as one?

Part of the reason why I won't touch DMT again. I just don't know for sure what the score is and the mechanics of it all. I mean I got what I was looking for anyway so for me there's no reason to chance it again.
 
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#128 Posted : 2/11/2019 10:04:32 AM
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Jupitor wrote:
Has anyone ever tried "touching" them? I grew up in a unique religion that taught in its deeper lore how to distinguish between a "good spirit" and a "bad spirit". You offer your hand for them to shake. The good ones will decline and the bad ones will attempt and fail.


No, but I have been touched by one uninvited.

It was right at the end of a DMT experience. There was this beautiful female figure in front of me, maybe a blueish transparent hue but I can't remember that specifically. Anyway, she came forward and kind of lent in towards me, raising her hand to my face. I thought it was going to just caress my face but her hand slipped right through and it felt like it was actually going inside of my skull (it made me aware of my body and hyperspace at the same time), reaching for the centre of my brain. At that moment the whole scene just disappeared, I opened my eyes, and I felt a slight breeze or sensation pass across my face.

I thought it was amazing at the time. It felt very loving and tender, and it certainly capped off a great DMT experience.

Looking back though, I'm on the fence about it. How do I know there was no malicious intent that I can't perceive? If it were comparable in intelligence, would it have violated my personal space like that? Was it really a female figure or was it just posing as one?

Part of the reason why I won't touch DMT again. I just don't know for sure what the score is and the mechanics of it all. I mean I got what I was looking for anyway so for me there's no reason to chance it again.


Prime example of a great questioning attitude. Love it.
 
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#129 Posted : 2/11/2019 2:49:40 PM

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Peace and just be careful man, have a critical and questioning attitude when/if you continue to visit these places.


I would like to echo this back to you.

I have been to these places many times over. I feel these entities are a reflection of ourselves. They only show you what is within. It is easy to get caught up in the good or bad feelings and associating these feelings with something outside of us. It can be all to easy to point at something that is difficult and label it as something evil or bad. I think this approach is not the best approach.

I feel you can take a lesson from these difficult experiences. They want to pull away the ego. If you cling to the ego, it can feel terrifying. If you let go into the experiences, it can be very positive. Again, I feel it is what we bring with us into these experiences that influences how the experiences unfold.

Critical and questioning attitude is fine after the experiences. During the experience it is important to pay attention. Watch the feelings. Watch the ego fall away. Observe the whole process. I have learned not to take anything personal during these experiences. I do not fear these experiences anymore. Fear can bring up irrational feelings and it is all to easy to blame it on an outside influence. You are responsible for your experience. This applies to every day waking reality and these DMT experiences. You are creating it. That is how I feel about it.

I hope you at some point in your life try DMT again. You might just find that you are mistaken in your belief that these entities are harmful. These entities can be the greatest teachers if they are approached without fear. This is easier said than done and does take a critical and questioning attitude during integration after the experience. It is because of this integration that I hold this view of my DMT experiences.

Believe as you wish. Glad you tried DMT all the same. You have seen things many throughout history have never seen. It is all pretty amazing and wonderful without fear interfering.
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Thinking tell us what it is this thing is.
Feeling tells us what this thing is to us.”
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#130 Posted : 2/11/2019 4:40:00 PM

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DmnStr8 wrote:
aaalyafei wrote:
Peace and just be careful man, have a critical and questioning attitude when/if you continue to visit these places.


I would like to echo this back to you.

I have been to these places many times over. I feel these entities are a reflection of ourselves. They only show you what is within. It is easy to get caught up in the good or bad feelings and associating these feelings with something outside of us. It can be all to easy to point at something that is difficult and label it as something evil or bad. I think this approach is not the best approach.

I feel you can take a lesson from these difficult experiences. They want to pull away the ego. If you cling to the ego, it can feel terrifying. If you let go into the experiences, it can be very positive. Again, I feel it is what we bring with us into these experiences that influences how the experiences unfold.

Critical and questioning attitude is fine after the experiences. During the experience it is important to pay attention. Watch the feelings. Watch the ego fall away. Observe the whole process. I have learned not to take anything personal during these experiences. I do not fear these experiences anymore. Fear can bring up irrational feelings and it is all to easy to blame it on an outside influence. You are responsible for your experience. This applies to every day waking reality and these DMT experiences. You are creating it. That is how I feel about it.

I hope you at some point in your life try DMT again. You might just find that you are mistaken in your belief that these entities are harmful. These entities can be the greatest teachers if they are approached without fear. This is easier said than done and does take a critical and questioning attitude during integration after the experience. It is because of this integration that I hold this view of my DMT experiences.

Believe as you wish. Glad you tried DMT all the same. You have seen things many throughout history have never seen. It is all pretty amazing and wonderful without fear interfering.

Loved reading this, I can agree with just about every last thing you wrote but the one part that I lean away from is how it's strictly all in our head and all from with in..

I believe that just like any other psychedelic your mind set and setting play a role on how you will react and perceive events in hyperspace but from reading so many stories of peoples experiences and reading how so many people have encountered the same exact, identical entities so many times.
From dmt virgins who have had Zero influence from stories and have no expectations of elves, grey alines, giants, jesters and other entities to people who have had many journeys, these people describe sometimes identical entities without even being told about them before, such as myself with my very first dmt trip, I encountered this shadowy black, tall grey alien with very long spindly fingers.. he tapped my face and shook its grey alien head at me before floating off into my right side peripheral vision at some all black instrument panel...

I think our ego and our feeling and everything you mentioned plays into effect in hyperspace.

this discussion has taken place countless times but I feel these entities are real, maybe not in our reality but we interact with them and they somehow work with or off our emotion
 
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#131 Posted : 2/11/2019 6:53:11 PM
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I personally think the entities are archetypes deep in the imagination. I don't really see closed eyed visuals, i'm pretty sure i'm aphantasic, however, it makes sense to me that these characters are deeply programmed into people's psyche, so grey aliens, clowns/jesters, elves, gnomes, faeries, insectoids, etc, i think they're just archetypes in people's heads, they may feel very real, however, dreams also feel real, i've seen things in my dreams that felt real but most likely merely originated from my imagination. You may say "how would my imagination create something like that?", well, how does the imagination create all these weird dreams people have? How did our imagination get so creative that we created civilization? Imagination is a powerful thing. I don't focus on visuals, i don't focus on entities, i focus on the majority of the experience/effects, so i don't get absorbed into the visual aspect like most seem to, i have felt like i've encountered entities a few times on Aya but they felt more Human/astral than alien or what not. I just think it's really funny when people think DMT is evil, people are so in the dark hahaha.
 
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Loved reading this, I can agree with just about every last thing you wrote but the one part that I lean away from is how it's strictly all in our head and all from with in..


Like attracts like. If these entities are real and are experiencing a subjective reality, I feel they could not interact with us unless we are vibrating a similar frequency.

Let's say there are bad entities. Ok.. here it comes. Here to manipulate and harm you. It is in your face and it is thriving from your fear. A thought enters your mind to love this entity. You pour out all the love you can to this entity. The entity changes into something positive or disappears altogether.

So what happened? Was this entity both love and fear? Was this entity all in your mind? How was this entity transformed?

I feel that these entities respond to whatever you bring in with you. If you bring fear, you may just find yourself tormented by so-called demons. You bring love in, you may just find yourself with so-called angels. So is it all coming from within? Yes and No. You may not be creating these entities and they may exist with or without you, however, I feel that these negative entities cannot interact with you if you are vibrating at a higher frequency. They cannot exist in the same plane.

I have had experiences where a single thought changes the entire experience. That switch from fear to love is powerful stuff. You can create a space in your mind where you can go to be poweful and protected. A place where these so called demons or negative energies cannot reach. A place where you cannot be manipulated. I don't think you can find this place if you are already convinced that you are powerless. I feel we have much more power in these experiences than we think.

It all starts before you even place that pipe to your lips. You are creating before you take that first toke. Your experience may not entirely come from within. That is fine. I know what is within myself and with this knowledge I cannot and will not be lead astray. Who showed me all this? Who was my greatest teacher in this lesson? Answer... those negative entities or demons. Did they intend to teach me this? Their intentions do not matter one iota as this is my experience. My intention is what really matters. My love is what matters. My fear is what matters.

These entities may just be transformed through their interactions with you. Perhaps what you bring in with you could possibly set these negative entities free from their negatitivies. Perhaps these entities are bringing what is within them. They can be transformed by what you bring in with you. I like the thought that perhaps I can help an entity in this way. For me, it is a two way street.
“Sensation tell us a thing is.
Thinking tell us what it is this thing is.
Feeling tells us what this thing is to us.”
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I completely agree with you there DmnStr8
 
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Thank you DmnStr8 for your perspective, I can see it from your perspective as well now, not so far off from my own. Just better articulated my friend!

I wasn't sure if I was "powerless" or what but after reading it the way you stated it I feel that with real intent and effort I can direct these trips a little better, especially if I do actually enter a neg trip, I have the power to change things.

Only one issue I have with this knowledge is what about when you have one of those nightmare 5-meoDMT trips? DMT oxide I think, when you smoke reclaimed (structurally altered) DMT..

I shut my eyes and I disintegrated and had absolutely no idea, clue or notion of who or what I was... I didn't even know how I got to where I was.... it also felt like 200 years in 15 min.
 
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I was instantly transported to another plane, another dimension, I don’t want to use the word reality, it was another dimension. I wasn’t high but I was completely there. My entire environment became theirs.
They showed up immediately and didn’t even bother showing me anything alluring like the first encounter, and were hiding so I wouldn’t see them. I knew they were hiding on purpose. They move extremely fast. They were tormenting me and made me feel like I was worthy of torment. They belittled and disrespected me in a way I cannot put into words. They connected something to my tongue and brain and were saying some sort of strange spell/chant/mantra as they were shusshing me in their language and trying to download some negative data into my mind. They were trying to be really sneaky about it. They didn't ask my permission to do that or even consult me before doing that. I could almost taste the bitter metallic wire that they connected into my mouth. It was a similar sensation as to putting your tongue on a battery.
They had sinister vibrations and auras, there were at least two of them present. They were communicating with each other and myself through some foreign inhuman language that I had never heard before.


I haven't read the full post as I can see it has moved onto a different discussion.

Just wanted to weigh in. This is very similar to one of my first trips, which I have not written up on here. I tried to PM you but being a new member I am not allowed.

3rd time writing this post, reckon I will just write out my trip report and if you wish we can discuss parallels then. I have had the chip on the tongue a few times and gotten wise to it. Even at one point of exclaiming something to the like "tricksey hobbitises with their tongue chips". After a while searching for my own answers I did find these:

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=2449
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...spx?g=posts&t=36865

On a purely materialist standing I have agreed with myself the physiological reaction of basic freebase on your tongue may feel something like a "hair chip" being inserted into your mouth. Mind throws up imagery of doctors, dentists etc and your trip is steered towards that imagery.

I do entertain the possibility of other scenarios from other higher viewpoints and this has taken me time, as will yours.
 
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