Thanks for all the answeres.
I would differentiate between two of those chaotic states. The one is the unpleasant I all ready described which I already tried to describe. The other one is a quite chaotic state with funny faces grinning grimaces telling strange jokes embedded in geometric alienesc patterns. This second state is absolutely shapeable and I can use it or simply observe it.
Also it might seem similar I would absolutely seperate it from the first state which is unpleasant uncontrollable as well as somehow unreleasable.
FranLover wrote:Does this happen at the third hour or at the sixth? In my experiences in silence I do recognize this as a common ocurrence, but I dont try to work through it and just enjoy it (least the confusion is too much to be enjoyed!) If you and I are speaking of the same thing I believe that this phase in the psychedelic experience is the disolution of the ego...the ego functions with what it built in the past, memories like phantoms in the brain, and this stage of restlesness, perhaps confusion, eliminates the past from the scene, disolving the ego.
What is the idea of silence? I don't think it carries an idea. One can be listening to music, turn it off, now one is listening to the silence. The brain just points attention, the intensity of that attention has to do with the amount of peace the human has. Having said that of course silence and music are different and each has its magic.
It appears more often in the end of the trip. I am not sure if I would equal it with the dissolution of the ego. Ego death I would more position in the height of the trip. The idea of silence for me really is a better concentration on to my inner self. Almost no distraction through anything outside myself.
I will try music in the future to carry me and support me a bit on the parts where I experience those chewy trapped state.
xss27 wrote:If you want to meditate why are you deliberately introducing another extraneous factor (shrooms) into your mental apparatus? Completely defeats the point of meditation. And also kind of answers your question here, which you answered yourself already too - the shroom state of mind needs something to latch on to, to focus on.
There are so many different ways to meditate like Swayambhu says. For me it is not that I want to completely empty my mind. It is more about observing whats coming up inside me. This is also a great thing on shrooms I would say. Be there. Be aware what the shrooms might offer to you.
But I understand what you want to say and that might really relate to me. If one tries to hard to keep your mind aware that might hold you back from letting go.
But being aware to a certain point brings foreword inner things with whom you and the shrooms than can work.
xss27 wrote:You can get this similar thing happening during illness where there is less mental activity and you can't seem to force your thinking/it just seems sort of vacant and static like.
This is a good example how the state I am talking about feels like.
Swayambhu wrote:I've experienced this too. I put it down to reticence or ill-preparedness on my part, or more specifically I understand it as one perhaps "deliriant" effect of the fungi coming to the fore due to bio-chemical reasons, such as diet or drug (cannabis in my case) use in the hours or days proir to the experience, or tiredness, or other distractive factors, such as excessive screen use.
I frequently experience it when I'm tired and I get a bit too stoned (usually with a few beers inside me too; I multi task!). I just surrender to it, let the static and mental stuttering do what it will, and float downstream.
It is appears more often when I am not so prepared or in general not in a well state. Like stressed from work or similar factors. Lots of screen use prior the trip is absolutely a factor as well which changes the experience and can result in such states.