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#221 Posted : 7/16/2018 12:42:38 PM

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FB also dissolves in alcohol. downwardsfromzero, interested in your results. Hope inhaling alcohol isn't bad though.

I found that 90% alcohol wasn't the best choice of solvent. It's pretty harsh on the throat tissues as one might imagine. DMT freebase is also freely soluble in 50% alcohol so it seems that may work. But that's still inhaling export-strength vodka, and I haven't tried this yet.

The aqueous PG solution seems like a comparable method and may be gentler on the throat. I think for the long term aqueous DMT fumarate would be best although it presents issues with sterility. Perhaps addition of alcohol at 20% would act as a suitable preservative.

(I now wonder if a little freebase would dissolve in this fumarate/20% ethanol solution.)


What's been holding me back - besides being busy doing other things - is the low capacity of my nebuliser device and its propensity to clog. Obtaining a high-capacity device will only become a priority when cashflow permits.
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#222 Posted : 1/6/2019 2:32:11 PM

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I still think we will get this to work one day.

In the meantime, check out these guys. They found a way to deliver RNA with a nebulizer and got mice to produce fluorescent proteins. Shocked
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#223 Posted : 1/7/2019 6:34:14 PM

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I haven't forgotten this thread!

Having re-read the entire thing today, there are a few experiments to try regarding solvents:

- 50/50 DMSO/water
- 50% ethanol
- DMSO/water/ethanol
- DMSO/PG

Also it appears that a way to produce DMT.HCl using hardware store HCl without introducing non-volatile contaminants would be to place an open container of DMT freebase and an open container of HCl next to each other in a larger, sealed container. The HCl vapours will combine with the DMT, forming the hydrochloride. This will (presumably) liquefy on account of its hygroscopic properties. The liquid should then absorb more HCl and before long all the freebase will be converted to DMT.HCl syrup. Excess HCl can be outgassed with a vacuum pump or by adding distilled water and evaporating down with heat, repeated a few times.
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#224 Posted : 4/29/2019 1:29:35 AM

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You mean creating DMT.HCl which is water soluble so you don't need PG/DMSO/Ethanol? If so, why not use DMT Fumerate from FASA? Just dissolve some in water and inhale. I estimate 20% solution on a 0.5ml/min device. These didn't exist when this post started, they do now. And they are made and designed to inhale salts. Why bother with complicated ways to dissolve freebase in water which add volume and increase inhalation times and/or are unhealthy like inhaling alcohol?

To me a dmt salt solution seems like the easiest and most logical approach. I'd try myself but don't want to buy a nebu if some of you already own one and can test this.
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#225 Posted : 4/29/2019 2:11:53 AM

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I was probably referring to some questions further back in the thread - not that I recall without looking. Otherwise I'd not be describing how I'd attempt producing DMT.HCl when equally viable alternatives exist - as you rightly point out.

The solvents discussed are for dealing with freebase should there turn out to be a compelling reason why that might be preferred. But indeed, using a water-soluble salt does seem like the simplest, er, solution.


You're very welcome to buy me a new nebulizer if you feel so inclined Big grin That is the principle limiting factor in my lack of progress with these matters: The tedious propensity of my present nebulizer to clog, and its low output, are behind the cessation of efforts with this ROA at present. My present cashflow does not allow for the purchase of a replacement.
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#226 Posted : 4/29/2019 2:30:24 AM

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Ah bummer. Same here. Many idea's, little cash flow, haha. Guess we'll have to wait for someone who already owns a 0.5ml/min neb to read this and try, or someone else to buy one.
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#227 Posted : 4/29/2019 10:51:34 PM

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Actually IIRC they're not that expensive, possibly less than the €50 I spent on plants at the plant sale last weekend. But plants are plants and thus get priority over plastic boxes from China Big grin

When the time is right the nebulizer will appear.
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β€œTo be GOVERNED is to be watched, inspected, spied upon, directed, law-driven, numbered, regulated, enrolled, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, checked, estimated, valued, censured, commanded, by creatures who have neither the right nor the wisdom nor the virtue to do so. To be GOVERNED is to be at every operation, at every transaction noted, registered, counted, taxed, stamped, measured, numbered, assessed, licensed, authorized, admonished, prevented, forbidden, reformed, corrected, punished. It is, under pretext of public utility, and in the name of the general interest, to be place under contribution, drilled, fleeced, exploited, monopolized, extorted from, squeezed, hoaxed, robbed; then, at the slightest resistance, the first word of complaint, to be repressed, fined, vilified, harassed, hunted down, abused, clubbed, disarmed, bound, choked, imprisoned, judged, condemned, shot, deported, sacrificed, sold, betrayed; and to crown all, mocked, ridiculed, derided, outraged, dishonored. That is government; that is its justice; that is its morality."
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#228 Posted : 4/30/2019 12:17:40 AM

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Yeah true, also, 50 bucks aint much compared to what I've spend on my DMT smoking gear experiments over the years. Trying to limit my gadget expenditures now. Pleased

Or is the dmt holding us all back, cause the world isn't ready for the nebu phase yet?
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